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[Mr Leety]

the thing is, he doesn't exist :L

 

[varrasbelve]

http://www.iamnext.com/spirituality/godexist.html

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When it comes to the possibility of God's existence, the Bible says

There's your problem.

 

[Shredderbeam]

There is just enough proof to believe in evolution or any other scientific theory as there is to religion.

What? There is far more evidence of evolution than any religion.

Hopefully someone gets through to you.....
But anyways, I have to go.

I should hope not.

God himself walked the earth about 2000 years ago. Whether you want to believe the proof or not is your choice.

The evidence that Jesus walked upon the Earth is convincing. The evidence that he was divine is not.

Remember the Alexander the Great example? The anecdotal evidence for his existence comes from an area stretching from Macedonia to India, all from people who probably never met. The anecdotal evidence for Jesus's existence comes from a small group of people who all came from the same area. It's not quite the same quality.

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Dilema

There, i just made up something random in which i don't even understand it. But thats god for you . I have crosses in my name, therefore i must be religious and believe in god, therefore.. hey shredderbeam can i talk to you on msn or something some time? I want to ask you something lol

PM me.

if god doesn't exist why people till now still believe in god? it has been 2008 years since the birth of christ..... are humans that stupid ? do u think if god wasn't real they would stop believing in him ages ago... imagine 2008 years...when you talk to someone and u tell him when i was 13.. i did that and this..and it seems like ages ago... what about 2008 years

sorry for my bad english :S

Humans generally are stupid, yes, and tend to believe whatever they were raised to believe.

If you wanted to use that type of argument, you might ask why, out of the National Academy of Science, 72.2% of its members are outright atheists, 20% are agnostic, and only 7% believe in a God (approximated).

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v394/n6691/full/394313a0_fs.html

1. Does God exist? The complexity of our planet points to a deliberate Designer who not only created our universe, but sustains it today.
Many examples showing God's design could be given, possibly with no end. But here are a few:

Don't plagiarize. Also, old.

The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.

Anthropic principle.

The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.

Anthropic principle.

And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents.

Anthropic principle.

Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.

Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.

Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.

Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.

The argument being used here is "water is useful". Good job, buddy!

2. Does God exist? The human brain's complexity shows a higher intelligence behind it.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.

The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. A brain that deals with more than a million pieces of information every second, while evaluating its importance and allowing you to act on the most pertinent information... did it come about just by chance? Was it merely biological causes, perfectly forming the right tissue, blood flow, neurons, structure? The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people. How does one explain the human brain?

Evolution.

3. Does God exist? "Chance" or "natural causes" are insufficient explanations.
The alternative to God existing is that all that exists around us came about by natural cause and random chance. If someone is rolling dice, the odds of rolling a pair of sixes is one thing. But the odds of spots appearing on blank dice is something else. What Pasteur attempted to prove centuries ago, science confirms, that life cannot arise from non-life. Where did human, animal, plant life come from?

Evolution is not equivalent to chance.

Pasteur proved that life did not arise spontaneously on a regular basis, over the course of a few days. He did not prove that elements of life do not arise given a few hundred million years.

Also, natural causes are an inadequate explanation for the amount of precise information contained in human DNA. A person who discounts God is left with the conclusion that all of this came about without cause, without design, and is merely good fortune. It is intellectually wanting to observe intricate design and attribute it to luck.

Whoever wrote this is talking out of their ass. Natural causes (evolution) more than adequately explain the amount of information in DNA.

4. Does God exist? To state with certainty that there is no God, a person has to ignore the passion of an enormously vast number of people who are convinced that there is a God.
This is not to say that if enough people believe something it is therefore true. Scientists, for example, have discovered new truths about the universe which overruled previous conclusions. But as science has progressed, no scientific discovery has countered the numerical likelihood of an intelligent mind being behind it all. In fact, the more science discovers about human life and the universe, the more complex and precisely designed we realize these to be. Rather than pointing away from God, evidence mounts further toward an intelligent source. But objective evidence is not all.

There is a much larger issue. Throughout history, billions of people in the world have attested to their firm, core convictions about God's existence -- arrived at from their subjective, personal relationship with God. Millions today could give detailed account of their experience with God. They would point to answered prayer and specific, amazing ways God has met their needs, and guided them through important personal decisions. They would offer, not only a description of their beliefs, but detailed reports of God's actions in their lives. Many are sure that a loving God exists and has shown himself to be faithful to them. If you are a skeptic, can you say with certainty: "I am absolutely right and they all are wrong about God"?

The amount of stupid people in the human race poisons your selection pool. Let's narrow it down to the best and brightest of society. Oops, they tend to be atheists. Can you say with confidence that we are all wrong?

5. Does God exist? We know God exists because he pursues us. He is constantly initiating and seeking for us to come to him.
I was an atheist at one time. And like most atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What is it about atheists that we would spend so much time, attention, and energy refuting something that we don't believe even exists?! What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded. To be honest, I also had another motive. As I challenged those who believed in God, I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise. Part of my quest was to become free from the question of God. If I could conclusively prove to believers that they were wrong, then the issue is off the table, and I would be free to go about my life.

I didn't realize that the reason the topic of God weighed so heavily on my mind, was because God was pressing the issue. I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us. It was as if I couldn't escape thinking about the possibility of God. In fact, the day I chose to acknowledge God's existence, my prayer began with, "Ok, you win..." It might be that the underlying reason atheists are bothered by people believing in God is because God is actively pursuing them.

I am not the only one who has experienced this. Malcolm Muggeridge, socialist and philosophical author, wrote, "I had a notion that somehow, besides questing, I was being pursued." C.S. Lewis said he remembered, "...night after night, feeling whenever my mind lifted even for a second from my work, the steady, unrelenting approach of Him whom I so earnestly desired not to meet. I gave in, and admitted that God was God, and knelt and prayed: perhaps, that night, the most dejected and reluctant convert in all of England."

Lewis went on to write a book titled, "Surprised by Joy" as a result of knowing God. I too had no expectations other than rightfully admitting God's existence. Yet over the following several months, I became amazed by his love for me.

I'm not sure whether this can even count as an argument. Belief that God is chasing us presupposes a belief in God, which is exactly what you're trying to prove.

In a logical argument, the conclusion cannot be a premise. That is circular logic.

6. Does God exist? Unlike any other revelation of God, Jesus Christ is the clearest, most specific picture of God pursuing us.
Why Jesus? Look throughout the major world religions and you'll find that Buddha, Muhammad, Confucius and Moses all identified themselves as teachers or prophets. None of them ever claimed to be equal to God. Surprisingly, Jesus did. That is what sets Jesus apart from all the others. He said God exists and you're looking at him. Though he talked about his Father in heaven, it was not from the position of separation, but of very close union, unique to all humankind. Jesus said that anyone who had seen Him had seen the Father, anyone who believed in him, believed in the Father.

He said, "I am the light of the world, he who follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."8 He claimed attributes belonging only to God: to be able to forgive people of their sin, free them from habits of sin, give people a more abundant life and give them eternal life in heaven. Unlike other teachers who focused people on their words, Jesus pointed people to himself. He did not say, "follow my words and you will find truth." He said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one comes to the Father but through me."9

What proof did Jesus give for claiming to be divine? He did what people can't do. Jesus performed miracles. He healed people...blind, crippled, deaf, even raised a couple of people from the dead. He had power over objects...created food out of thin air, enough to feed crowds of several thousand people. He performed miracles over nature...walked on top of a lake, commanding a raging storm to stop for some friends. People everywhere followed Jesus, because he constantly met their needs, doing the miraculous. He said if you do not want to believe what I'm telling you, you should at least believe in me based on the miracles you're seeing.10

Jesus Christ showed God to be gentle, loving, aware of our self-centeredness and shortcomings, yet deeply wanting a relationship with us. Jesus revealed that although God views us as sinners, worthy of his punishment, his love for us ruled and God came up with a different plan. God himself took on the form of man and accepted the punishment for our sin on our behalf. Sounds ludicrous? Perhaps, but many loving fathers would gladly trade places with their child in a cancer ward if they could. The Bible says that the reason we would love God is because he first loved us.

Jesus died in our place so we could be forgiven. Of all the religions known to humanity, only through Jesus will you see God reaching toward humanity, providing a way for us to have a relationship with him. Jesus proves a divine heart of love, meeting our needs, drawing us to himself. Because of Jesus' death and resurrection, he offers us a new life today. We can be forgiven, fully accepted by God and genuinely loved by God. He says, "I have loved you with an everlasting love, therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you."11 This is God, in action.

Does God exist? If you want to know, investigate Jesus Christ. We're told that "God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life."12

I think a lot more Christians need to read the Bible. The Jesus depicted in its chapters isn't quite the one popular culture has painted him to be.

We only "know" that Jesus did these things by way of writings ranging from 20-40 years after his death. Fail.

 

[bambino_91]

Well.. clearly they are?

millions millions of people are stupid and u are the smart one-_-

edit... back to the subject The universe seems too complex,,, too ordered...too beautiful,,,,to have appeared naturally

 

[Shredderbeam]

millions millions of people are stupid and u are the genius -_-

Most people are not very intelligent. Look to those who are.

 

[bambino_91]

Most people are not very intelligent. Look to those who are.

still u didn't answer
The universe seems too complex,,, too ordered...too beautiful,,,,to have appeared naturally

 

[Shredderbeam]

still u didn't answer
The universe seems too complex,,, too ordered...too beautiful,,,,to have appeared naturally

Which parts of the universe seem to complex, ordered, or beautiful to have appeared naturally?

 

[NukeLaser]

God
   /gɒd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [god] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, god⋅ded, god⋅ding, interjection
–noun


The word exists. Look it up. You also used it several times, therefore it must be real.

/Smartass

 

[bambino_91]

ain`t it too complex 2 create a human body... and what about ur soul? don't tell me u don't have one . ... wat about the feelin when u get angry or sad...or happy ....? how the hell did those happen?.

 

[Jesse]

you're god, i'm god, we're all god

NOW money?

 

[rs nechryeal]

ain`t it too complex 2 create a human body... and what about ur soul? don't tell me u don't have one . ... wat about the feelin when u get angry or sad...or happy ....? how the hell did those happen?.

No it's not. Prove the existence of a soul first. Those happen by chemicals and hormones released into your body stimulated by certain happenings in the environment

God
   /gɒd/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [god] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, god⋅ded, god⋅ding, interjection
–noun


The word exists. Look it up. You also used it several times, therefore it must be real.

/Smartass

Sure the word exists but does the being they describe exist? And don't you get me started on a dictionary. Religion can be disproved with that alone

 

[LegitNamesCo]

wat about the feelin when u get angry or sad...or happy ....? how the hell did those happen?.

Chemical reactions in the brain and nervous system.

Wether we have a soul or not, is a whole different debate.

 

[XxFallenSoulxX]

Alright...start becoming religious...believe in a religion that believes in a God, the proof of God is within your own head. No one can explain it but the person who is thinking it, therefore God exists.

money please.

 

[rs nechryeal]

A god exists as a concept but nothing more. And you can't prove an idea exists

 

[0120012345]

I stand before you, Behold, God.

 

[XxFallenSoulxX]

Another thing is that if you don't think God exists, then how can someone show you proof if you won't believe it anyway sicne you don't believe in him so He will not want you to see that proof as real.

 

[rs nechryeal]

If you can prove the existence, he will pay you. I know he's willing to accept knowledge when it comes his way

 

[Hugz4totz]

Near death experiences in which one goes towards "the light" and speaks with god or whatever religious icon they beleive in. Wether its buddah allah vishnu or whatever.

 

[rs nechryeal]

Finish you sentences next time. And perhaps they're whiting out? Same as blacking out. Hallucination as well

 

[Konner]

I don't either....

Uh... Try opening a Bible and pointing at the first thing you see and reading it?

There is no physical proof other then the Bible, and others expierences, and a few other things I can't remember right now..

Yeah, the Bible is entirely bullshit.

Nearly all of it was written 50+ years after these "events" happened. The people who wrote these things down were insanely stupid too.

You honestly expect me to believe that the book that contradicts itself so many times and tells about a higher power that made fucking people out of mud and a rib bone is true?

There is no god. Religion is an excuse for the weak-minded.