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Why is murder wrong?

For all of you bringing religion into this discussion, please bring back every diehard Catholic from the crusades and have them sit down, look me straight in the eye, and tell me that their murder against Jerusalem was excused by God while no other murder is.

That's what I thought.
 
it is wrong because all people have a right to life, and thats something that is given to them, for another person to deprive them of that in vein is wrong.
 
Tyranic said:
it is wrong because all people have a right to life, and thats something that is given to them, for another person to deprive them of that in vein is wrong.
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Well, why do people inherently have a right to life? What underlying thing, force, or principle makes taking away life right or wrong?
 
Shredderbeam said:
Well, why do people inherently have a right to life? What underlying thing, force, or principle makes taking away life right or wrong?
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what doesnt make it right and wrong. its the basic principle of life that we follow. its just common sense not to kill your own kind.
 
Shredderbeam said:
Why is it common sense?
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Human kind in animal terms, are one race. A race thats ment to live in harmony with one another. Animals don't usualy kill one another in thier own race, with some exeptions (food, breeding rights, territory etc..). So killing one another in vein is against the nature of our being, which is wrong in a way.
 
Tyranic said:
Human kind in animal terms, are one race. A race thats ment to live in harmony with one another. Animals don't usualy kill one another in thier own race, with some exeptions (food, breeding rights, territory etc..). So killing one another in vein is against the nature of our being, which is wrong in a way.
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Are we just "meant" to live in harmony? I thought that survival of the fittest was, evolutionary speaking, the best way to go. If I kill another man using my intellectual prowess, steal his money, and do not get caught, then I am more fit than he was. Why is that just wrong?
 
gods coming back for us >+<
 
Shredderbeam said:
Are we just "meant" to live in harmony? I thought that survival of the fittest was, evolutionary speaking, the best way to go. If I kill another man using my intellectual prowess, steal his money, and do not get caught, then I am more fit than he was. Why is that just wrong?
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that wouldn't be in vein now would it?
 
If you kill someone and don't gain profit then what would be your motive?Animals kill for a reason, like you said, survival of the fittest, if you don't have to kill to survive, then it is against the fabric of our nature as mamals to kill one another.And you could take and contraversial moral descision and question its morality.It's all a point of view, every rule we as humans set up, we do to protect ourselves. What made Hitler wrong, what made the religeous crusades wrong?...concious moral fiber.
 
Tyranic said:
If you kill someone and don't gain profit then what would be your motive?Animals kill for a reason, like you said, survival of the fittest, if you don't have to kill to survive, then it is against the fabric of our nature as mamals to kill one another.And you could take and contraversial moral descision and question its morality.It's all a point of view, every rule we as humans set up, we do to protect ourselves. What made Hitler wrong, what made the religeous crusades wrong?...concious moral fiber.
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There doesn't need to be a motive. What matters is that, outside of human society, on a large scale, it's completely irrelevant. The universe doesn't care.
 
Shredderbeam said:
There doesn't need to be a motive.* What matters is that, outside of human society, on a large scale, it's completely irrelevant.* The universe doesn't care.
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Well in that case, nothing is wrong or right, everything we do is completely meaningless and will not have an outcome on direction in which disorder in the universe increases or decreases.What makes killing yourself wrong, what makes blowing up the earth wrong. Apperantly nothing. Right and wrong is just concious values set by our most basic instinct, survival.
 
Tyranic said:
Well in that case, nothing is wrong or right, everything we do is completely meaningless and will not have an outcome on direction in which disorder in the universe increases or decreases.What makes killing yourself wrong, what makes blowing up the earth wrong. Apperantly nothing. Right and wrong is just concious values set by our most basic instinct, survival.
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Basically, yes.

Practically, of course, I don't follow that philosophy. I believe that my mind is nothing more than the sum of 200 billion interacting brain cells, but I find it more enjoyable to act as a emotionally capable human being rather than a logical robot.
 
Shredderbeam said:
Basically, yes.Practically, of course, I don't follow that philosophy.* I believe that my mind is nothing more than the sum of 200 billion interacting brain cells, but I find it more enjoyable to act as a emotionally capable human being rather than a logical robot.
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Exactly, a robot interacting on electrical signals. Made up of matter, absolutely no different than a pebble, or a star, or any other inatimate object therof. Everything we know is just energy running through matter in our brain.
Seems rather dull when you put it that way don't you think?
 
Tyranic said:
Exactly, a robot interacting on electrical signals. Made up of matter, absolutely no different than a pebble, or a star, or any other inatimate object therof. Everything we know is just energy running through matter in our brain.
Seems rather dull when you put it that way don't you think?
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The human side of me is rather dismayed when it thinks of this, yet the logic is sound.

But, I CAN think, I CAN feel, so I shall live as such.
 
Shredderbeam said:
The human side of me is rather dismayed when it thinks of this, yet the logic is sound.But, I CAN think, I CAN feel, so I shall live as such.
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This is a little off topic, but think if these signals could be emulated. We could control all aspects of living and what it means to live.
 
Well, it's morally wrong and you are stopping something that has not come to it's time...

I need to stop sounding so foscesious.
 
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