Unsatisfied with growth

[SuF]

Ok so how did I not give you the tools you needed

It is not really possible to proactively moderate something when you don't have permissions to actually moderate it and you need to report the posts so they are reactively moderate it. For the other one you can only do so much when you can only ask other people to ask other people do work together better and actually function like a team. There needed to be more unified goals and cooperation across the teams and there needed to be changes for that to happen. I got buy in from some people but nothing ever materialized so the teams continued to have infighting and stupid drama instead of working towards a common goal.

 

It is not really possible to proactively moderate something when you don't have permissions to actually moderate it and you need to report the posts so they are reactively moderate it. For the other one you can only do so much when you can only ask other people to ask other people do work together better and actually function like a team. There needed to be more unified goals and cooperation across the teams and there needed to be changes for that to happen. I got buy in from some people but nothing ever materialized so the teams continued to have infighting and stupid drama instead of working towards a common goal.

better moderation of dead offtopic sections isn't going to attract new users
complaining that people don't work together is not the same as not having the tools you need

Again I've provided a legitimate resource that could be used to attract new users in the form of sythelib. If developers on here want to help they should use it to write scripts, provide feedback so I can improve it, etc. We can have a botting scene here which actually will increase our userbase, but only if there are more people than just me working on it.

But as with most of the comments in this thread by old users you just want to blame someone else and are not interested in actually helping.

 

[SuF]

better moderation of dead offtopic sections isn't going to attract new users
complaining that people don't work together is not the same as not having the tools you need

Again I've provided a legitimate resource that could be used to attract new users in the form of sythelib. If developers on here want to help they should use it to write scripts, provide feedback so I can improve it, etc. We can have a botting scene here which actually will increase our userbase, but only if there are more people than just me working on it.

But as with most of the comments in this thread by old users you just want to blame someone else and are not interested in actually helping.

I mean it sounds like I don't want to help in a way you think will help but I do want to help in a way that I think will help. I agree that revitalization of old sections will not attract new people but it will help retain old members. There has always been this path from a member being attracted by something Runescape (or gaming) related to a more community oriented member that liked the general discussion forums and hanging out with people. If you can keep those community members around you can build a stronger site that isn't so tied to the ups and downs of gaming and have longer term more invested members. Both are important and I don't think only one deserves focus.

 

I mean it sounds like I don't want to help in a way you think will help but I do want to help in a way that I think will help. I agree that revitalization of old sections will not attract new people but it will help retain old members. There has always been this path from a member being attracted by something Runescape (or gaming) related to a more community oriented member that liked the general discussion forums and hanging out with people. If you can keep those community members around you can build a stronger site that isn't so tied to the ups and downs of gaming and have longer term more invested members. Both are important and I don't think only one deserves focus.

Content is king on the internet. No content no users.

 

[SuF]

Content is king on the internet. No content no users.

Communities create content, do they not? Also one of the ways I wanted to revitalize sections was to create content. Content does indeed create content.

 

[Shin]

These changes have the capacity to change the dynamic of the market quite substantially and I wouldn't do them without a poll.

I'm willing to reduce the cost of bumps by about half and see how many people use it without a poll.

@Community

How's this going?

 

Communities create content, do they not? Also one of the ways I wanted to revitalize sections was to create content. Content does indeed create content.

Content creates communities, communities create secondary content making them self-reinforcing, if they are successful.

You need content to begin with though. And if the community isn't making secondary content, isn't self-reinforcing, you need to go back to primary content / a primary pull for new users who will make content.

Because the community is unwilling to help when I make content, even in the form of basic participation on any level, I'm increasingly moving my content offsite. I will be making new communities, and I might link them back to Sythe if I feel like it won't harm the new communities.

I'm still here working on this site, but I'm not going to continue to hamstring myself with the cement shoes of hundreds of 20-something ex-runescape players who actively push away new users and refuse to engage with any of the content I produce.

 

[Admires]

Content creates communities, communities create secondary content making them self-reinforcing, if they are successful.

You need content to begin with though. And if the community isn't making secondary content, isn't self-reinforcing, you need to go back to primary content / a primary pull for new users who will make content.

Because the community is unwilling to help when I make content, even in the form of basic participation on any level, I'm increasingly moving my content offsite. I will be making new communities, and I might link them back to Sythe if I feel like it won't harm the new communities.

I'm still here working on this site, but I'm not going to continue to hamstring myself with the cement shoes of hundreds of 20-something ex-runescape players who actively push away new users and refuse to engage with any of the content I produce.

Your content (the programming course and SytheLib) requires a general love for learning and computer science skills, and you're surprised nobody is utilizing it on a RuneScape blackmarket forum where the average user most probably dropped out of high school? You're trolling.

 

[ObbzXSlay]

@Community

How's this going?

I personally like it. Didn't realize it was in effect until I read this, but overall it is nice. Seems to be working decently.

Your content (the programming course and SytheLib) requires a general love for learning and computer science skills, and you're surprised nobody is utilizing it on a RuneScape blackmarket forum where the average user most probably dropped out of high school? You're trolling.

Can you post your sources as to where you garnered your evidence that the average user dropped out of high school? Seems pretty irrational to just assuming the majority doesn't have a high school education, considering the amount of users there are, banned or otherwise.

And a programming course is meant to introduce you to the concept, or possibly just help you hone your skills. You don't necessary need the love for what is a pretty basic course. Most individuals who do use the knowledge from the course are most likely beginners themselves, so they may not be totally confident on whether they "love" learning the skill and want to utilize it or if it is just something that piqued their interest at the time.

 

[Admires]

Can you post your sources as to where you garnered your evidence that the average user dropped out of high school?

Yeah, sure, here you go. Graph was made by the National Institute of Health in an effort to combat incelibacy in the late teens and early twenties population.

 

Yeah I dropped out of high school so what? Now I'm a 33 year old staker making 27k a month living in a Manhattan hi-rise condo running 60 accounts at once hbu?

 

[Shin]

I personally like it. Didn't realize it was in effect until I read this, but overall it is nice. Seems to be working decently.

What are you talking about? I'm asking the community how the poll for changing Sythe Gold cost per bump is going (because I don't expect anyone to do anything).

 

[Pain]

What are you talking about? I'm asking the community how the poll for changing Sythe Gold cost per bump is going (because I don't expect anyone to do anything).

Well you sure as shit don't want me posting the poll that's for sure lol, might aswell move it to denied suggestions after I posted it.

I'd happily push the idea and poll along but anything I touch gets instantly down voted.

Probably should have a staff post the poll considering with the circle jerk gang that is Sythes community it doesn't matter what the idea is just who posts it.

 

Your content (the programming course and SytheLib) requires a general love for learning and computer science skills, and you're surprised nobody is utilizing it on a RuneScape blackmarket forum where the average user most probably dropped out of high school? You're trolling.

This literally the content the community asked for lol

Someone else can produce some content for this community. Best of luck to you.

 

[Admires]

This literally the content the community asked for lol

Someone else can produce some content for this community. Best of luck to you.

don't you dare abandon us, big rich. we need you. you're the only hope we have. we may all have autism, but together, it can be weaponized.

 

don't you dare abandon us, big rich. we need you. you're the only hope we have. we may all have autism, but together, it can be weaponized.

Developers on here need to look at SytheLib and write scripts for it. That will pull new users and form a new base of quality content. But the ball is in their court now.

 

[Admires]

Developers on here need to look at SytheLib and write scripts for it. That will pull new users and form a new base of quality content. But the ball is in their court now.

name developers that are still active. they've all left the forum, so you've essentially created content for nobody. you passed the ball to the empty side of the court, bro.

 

name developers that are still active. they've all left the forum, so you've essentially created content for nobody. you passed the ball to the empty side of the court, bro.

They haven’t left they’re just not willing to put in the time.

No matter what content I make for this community the user base is unwilling to engage and I cannot draw new users because the existing user base repels them immediately (by claiming they are a ban evader or threatening to dox or ddos or hack them.) The user base is what it is and I don’t expect to change the behaviour of people, nor should anyone.

Therefore if I want to make new content I need to do it offsite, which is what I’m doing now.

The other side of the court may be empty but the ball is still there and will remain there until some users decide to engage in the content creation cycle.

 

[RooterAccounts]

Didn't read every post on this thread so I might be repeating things but let's be honest people don't go go forums anymore to discuss general topics, there's reddit for that now. Active forums still exist such as the btc forum but that might be because it's a relatively new technology and the forum offers a lot more use for people to discuss btc compared to for example reddit because when you're dealing with such a broad topic it's useful to have all these subsections as opposed to reddit where you have a mixture of everything in one place.

I think the only way to revive a forum like this is through utility. You have to give people a reason to come here. I don't play pubg but apparently there's a market for it so I question why there isn't one on Sythe. Maybe wait for a new game to come out, a hyped up one like Overwatch or pubg, and be the first site to add a market for it, then advertise it?

Part of the reason is also because this is a RuneScape focused forum and RS really dropped in playerbase the last few years since Jagex ruined the main game though. You can't really control that. Maybe this is ambitious but maybe an automated system like PlayerAuctions so people don't need to go through the hassle of finding a MiddleMan could increase the userbase?

Just a few of my thoughts, I think in general it's going to be very hard to revive such an old forum focused mainly on a game that isn't that popular anymore though. People will only come back for one thing: utility. I think the age of forums being a social hub is over with reddit existing.

 

[Cryax]

Every week you fail to have a PUBG section you are losing members. This is one of the biggest games on the market right now. Also start to look at games such as Star Citizen, the release of Vanilla Wow etc.. This site is too way slow on updates for sections.

You should also look at some sort of heavy promotions for when Runescape is released on phones and tablets as this will bring a influx of new and existing players.

The staff put a lot of time into maintaining the site which is understandable, but more needs to be done to grow it at this stage now.