It's nearing the end 2017, in the prime of technology (internet usage/gamers at it's peak and continues to grow), and numbers of community participants have not only deteriorated, but have little to no interest in returning because there is nothing attractive in what this site has to offer. How many projects that have to do with community growth and involvement fell apart up to this point? It's sad how unmotivated and lazy the approach to grow has been taken by those who can change it.
What will happen in this thread: Fake interested is gauged, ideas are shared, no action will be taken; repeat.
It's nearing the end 2017, in the prime of technology (internet usage/gamers at it's peak and continues to grow), and numbers of community participants have not only deteriorated, but have little to no interest in returning because there is nothing attractive in what this site has to offer. How many projects that have to do with community growth and involvement fell apart up to this point? It's sad how unmotivated and lazy the approach to grow has been taken by those who can change it.
What will happen in this thread: Fake interested is gauged, ideas are shared, no action will be taken; repeat.
PR is meant to be in charge of attracting new members and we've been going through a bit of a meme period. Those close to PR know it's been a bit of an effort organising and revamping everything since we've gone through quite a serious change up.
That being said, I'm all ears for any suggestions you may have?
PR is meant to be in charge of attracting new members and we've been going through a bit of a meme period. Those close to PR know it's been a bit of an effort organising and revamping everything since we've gone through quite a serious change up.
That being said, I'm all ears for any suggestions you may have?
hm.. it is kinda odd that the sythe twitter has less followers than my grandmother.
But honestly, idk what more can really be done. Twitter is up, facebook, even youtube (which can be updated more and more).
I mean, maybe sythe can sponsor some runescape youtubers or post a banner or something on various 07 players twitch among other things (Don't think they will get banned because the site isn't specifically for runescape so I am sure this could be okay).
I doubt any of this would work... but we NEED pubg market, survival market, dota skins, etc. These additional markets WILL bring in members. Hell, if we had a Pubg section I would link this site 2 times a day to the largest Pubg discord of like 8k people or more.
Again, I understand where you are coming from. At some point, a site peaks and it cost more to get new users than good/business they bring to the site. Most users don't care about the site, and only about the money in free advertisment.
It's nearing the end 2017, in the prime of technology (internet usage/gamers at it's peak and continues to grow), and numbers of community participants have not only deteriorated, but have little to no interest in returning because there is nothing attractive in what this site has to offer. How many projects that have to do with community growth and involvement fell apart up to this point? It's sad how unmotivated and lazy the approach to grow has been taken by those who can change it.
What will happen in this thread: Fake interested is gauged, ideas are shared, no action will be taken; repeat.
Do you have any plans to take the lead and make these ideas happen then instead of complaining, i.e: getting rid of those who arent contributing, writing out business plans, etc? I'm pretty sure sythe wouldn't want to stop someone who cares about the growth of his site so much from improving it. IF, you're ready for that workload go for it, its obvious these threads aren't helping any. And , I know full well if you'd take the time out of your day to write out threads like these , you're more than capable for the job.
It's nearing the end 2017, in the prime of technology (internet usage/gamers at it's peak and continues to grow), and numbers of community participants have not only deteriorated, but have little to no interest in returning because there is nothing attractive in what this site has to offer. How many projects that have to do with community growth and involvement fell apart up to this point? It's sad how unmotivated and lazy the approach to grow has been taken by those who can change it.
What will happen in this thread: Fake interested is gauged, ideas are shared, no action will be taken; repeat.
Remember when we gave you a free 1way ticket to CDT so you can mainstream these changes that you sought after, only for you to leave the next week and leave crumby feedback every few months. even invited you into the sythe gold project as a regular member, but you contributed nothing in the process.
“It is much more valuable to look for the strength in others. You can gain nothing by criticizing their imperfections.” – Daisaku Ikeda
Theres a difference between those who want change, and those who criticize it. Only YOU can make a difference that you want to see! If you are up to applying for CDT and stepping up to help us out, we seriously need the people.
We have about 200 active sythe users on the discord most days, that’s where a lot of the community activity is focused now. Technology changes people don’t socialise on forums as much now.
We have about 200 active sythe users on the discord most days, that’s where a lot of the community activity is focused now. Technology changes people don’t socialise on forums as much now.
Poor excuse. Tons of forums with high activity. There just really isn’t an incentive to post around here anymore. If you don’t know how the world works, generally, people like to be rewarded when putting in effort into something. This site has been around for more than a decade, topics have been continually regurgitated and exhausted. Work on the current reward system in Sythe Gold, it’s currently disgusting.
Poor excuse. Tons of forums with high activity. There just really isn’t an incentive to post around here anymore. If you don’t know how the world works, generally, people like to be rewarded when putting in effort into something. This site has been around for more than a decade, topics have been continually regurgitated and exhausted. Work on the current reward system in Sythe Gold, it’s currently disgusting.
Poor excuse. Tons of forums with high activity. There just really isn’t an incentive to post around here anymore. If you don’t know how the world works, generally, people like to be rewarded when putting in effort into something. This site has been around for more than a decade, topics have been continually regurgitated and exhausted. Work on the current reward system in Sythe Gold, it’s currently disgusting.
- excuse so that what they're saying doesn't have to be owned up to and dealt with because effort.
There's a reason why there's such an abundance of "salty ex mods" who in most cases were not asked to leave but left of their own accord. They have no reason to be 'salty' because they could have continued being staff or rejoined staff at any point. Shout out @Jack@Cas@Entrr@Dunworry@-Ryan@FlyingToast@Wonderland and all the rest of the decent staff members that got tired of the same old.
@Sythe 's priority is keeping banners filled and money flowing in, and that's cool, no qualms with making a living. Those will probably keep being filled for a while to come just because of the traffic to the 1 or 2 market sections that are active. But surely there's enough revenue coming in at this point that you can afford to start to look at making said living off the back of a thriving, engaging community and not a forum that could be essentially condensed in to a couple of the more active markets, the spam forum and the scammer section and probably not deteriorate much in terms of activity.
That's a lot of dead space that just isn't active any more. Yet these topics of interest are very active in other communities. Reddit is a prime example of a place where an older, forum-like style of engagement is used and it's viral AF about all of these things that just don't work here: technology, global news, music, DIY guides..
Yes, it's trickier to fill those gaps on Sythe because it is primarily a black market site and most people won't endorse that to bring in new members or be associated with that because of repercussions. How you go about that is not something I have the answers to or expertise to suggest. But I'm sure if some investment was made in those that do then there'd be much more progress.
There are a tonne of talented people on this site, all in different areas. Pulled together, that's a pretty good source of expertise and ideas. Problem is, they can do better off of those talents somewhere where they are invested in properly and recognised for what they do. Shout out @Verts@Govind and all the other ex-staff and non-staff members who had the potential to advance this site in many ways but were never given any incentive to.
The RSPS's that come and go, the CDT teams that come and go, the Twitch channels that come and go, YouTubers that come and go, the social media platforms that fail to take off, people with large online followings that come and go... all wasted opportunities that lack the backing they need to have any kind of lasting effect.
Unless the site keeps up with the times it will slowly decline until it's just not relevant at all any more. I do not deny that some recent features and efforts have been made that are respectable and good, there just is never any follow through or visible effort to keep them relevant. It was regretful to see that @Sythe 's C programming class never took off, with a decent social media platform and following; showcased expertise like that would be an invaluable source of marketing and member intake which would only breed more guides, discussions, help threads - all great for search engine results.
So please, read this and ignore it for what feels like the 50th time but it'll still be true the next time a topic like this gets shoved in to the salty-ex-mods-know-nothing pile. There's a reason that saltiness is a recurring, growing theme.
But surely there's enough revenue coming in at this point that you can afford to start to look at making said living off the back of a thriving, engaging community and not a forum that could be essentially condensed in to a couple of the more active markets, the spam forum and the scammer section and probably not deteriorate much in terms of activity.
We have numerous community engagement projects across three community teams. Personally I invested 6 months into building a macro library which I give away for free and no one is interested in even testing it.
Really this comes down to some people expect to be paid to use this site and that's not how forums work.
That's a lot of dead space that just isn't active any more. Yet these topics of interest are very active in other communities. Reddit is a prime example of a place where an older, forum-like style of engagement is used and it's viral AF about all of these things that just don't work here: technology, global news, music, DIY guides..
Yes, it's trickier to fill those gaps on Sythe because it is primarily a black market site and most people won't endorse that to bring in new members or be associated with that because of repercussions. How you go about that is not something I have the answers to or expertise to suggest. But I'm sure if some investment was made in those that do then there'd be much more progress.
Honestly if I invest a 6 month block of my time into doing something that you all will agree will improve the community on this site I guarantee it will have no impact whatsoever. The user base are who they are, the market is what it is, people are already engaged to saturation.
There are a tonne of talented people on this site, all in different areas. Pulled together, that's a pretty good source of expertise and ideas. Problem is, they can do better off of those talents somewhere where they are invested in properly and recognised for what they do. Shout out @Verts@Govind and all the other ex-staff and non-staff members who had the potential to advance this site in many ways but were never given any incentive to.
The RSPS's that come and go, the CDT teams that come and go, the Twitch channels that come and go, YouTubers that come and go, the social media platforms that fail to take off, people with large online followings that come and go... all wasted opportunities that lack the backing they need to have any kind of lasting effect.
How do these "lack the backing". They get funding, attention, time, people, effort. End users aren't interested, you can't force them to be interested.
Unless the site keeps up with the times it will slowly decline until it's just not relevant at all any more. I do not deny that some recent features and efforts have been made that are respectable and good, there just is never any follow through or visible effort to keep them relevant. It was regretful to see that @Sythe 's C programming class never took off, with a decent social media platform and following; showcased expertise like that would be an invaluable source of marketing and member intake which would only breed more guides, discussions, help threads - all great for search engine results.
So please, read this and ignore it for what feels like the 50th time but it'll still be true the next time a topic like this gets shoved in to the salty-ex-mods-know-nothing pile. There's a reason that saltiness is a recurring, growing theme.
It's ridiculous to me you have only general criticism with no specific issues to point out. It's like you want to blame me for the behaviour of the userbase as a whole.
This site is objectively more engaging than its ever been. It has more community projects, teams, competitions, events, features than its ever had. And still it's not enough. I put in more time than I ever have and still it's not enough.
You'll all cry "2011 was the peak and we've declined ever since". Unless you have specific suggestions on how to improve engagement you're just wasting my time and everyone else's.
We have numerous community engagement projects across three community teams. Personally I invested 6 months into building a macro library which I give away for free and no one is interested in even testing it.
Really this comes down to some people expect to be paid to use this site and that's not how forums work.
Honestly if I invest a 6 month block of my time into doing something that you all will agree will improve the community on this site I guarantee it will have no impact whatsoever. The user base are who they are, the market is what it is, people are already engaged to saturation.
How do these "lack the backing". They get funding, attention, time, people, effort. End users aren't interested, you can't force them to be interested.
It's ridiculous to me you have only general criticism with no specific issues to point out. It's like you want to blame me for the behaviour of the userbase as a whole.
This site is objectively more engaging than its ever been. It has more community projects, teams, competitions, events, features than its ever had. And still it's not enough. I put in more time than I ever have and still it's not enough.
You'll all cry "2011 was the peak and we've declined ever since". Unless you have specific suggestions on how to improve engagement you're just wasting my time and everyone else's.
If I, someone moderately active on these forums with intimate knowledge of this sites workings and promotion teams, have never heard of whatever macro library you're talking about, how could you possibly expect a random user who is considering joining and knows nothing about the site to know about this library and test it. The issue isn't necessarily the content, it's the promotion and advertising of the site. I know the people in PR are nice guys but they don't know how to promote a website lol they're just trying to get moderator status. Actively and effectively promote the website; you're a self-proclaimed genius so you should already know how to do that and double this sites numbers with ease.
I think the reason why you feel attacked is due to your God-complex and your dismissive attitude to everyone.
If I, someone moderately active on these forums with intimate knowledge of this sites workings and promotion teams, have never heard of whatever macro library you're talking about, how could you possibly expect a random user who is considering joining and knows nothing about the site to know about this library and test it.
It's not ready for prime time it needs testing. All the programmers on this site should know about it. None of them are interested in testing it.
I will eventually extensively test it and move it into beta but you can excuse me if I feel discouraged after spending so much time on it and no one even wants to test it.
The issue isn't necessarily the content, it's the promotion and advertising of the site. I know the people in PR are nice guys but they don't know how to promote a website lol they're just trying to get moderator status. Actively and effectively promote the website; you're a self-proclaimed genius so you should already know how to do that and double this sites numbers with ease.
I think the reason why you feel attacked is due to your God-complex and your dismissive attitude to everyone.
Oh yes the fabled "we just need advertising and everything will be better"
I've done multiple thousand dollar ad spends on various platforms including adwords to absolutely no effect. Almost every runescape user has already heard of sythe and they either use it or they don't.
The same crappy suggestions are always put forward by the same group of users. "Pay for gaming servers" did that, didn't work. "Pay for advertising" did that, didn't work. It's basically just "pay users to use the site" at this point. Just sit there and think about how stupid that sounds for a minute. Then think about how little intellectual effort you are actually putting into this problem and come back with an honest response.
