Unprofessional (n)

[Altruism]

I logged in today to find that I have a "Trade with caution". I posted a thread asking why, but it seems like threads in the "Appeal" section are put into a moderator que. Upon looking around, I appeared to find the reason as to why I have received a trade with caution;

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer-archive/1645709-twc.html

I have had that thread open for over three months, and over 100 days. I have reported multiple posts on the thread for spamming my topic, and they were removed. What does that mean? It means that multiple staff members have seen my thread in the course of these last few months.

My title on the thread was originally edited back in July. I PM'd Roary in regards to it, a global moderator, who is now an admin;

This means that a Global Moderator has also seen my thread..

I believe my TWC was given out so lightly, and I'm sure I am not the only one who has been a victim of such thing in the past..

-No proof of account's existence

-No proof of 1000$+ donator claims
-No proof server still exists (thread is 3 months + old, server could have quite possibly died since then)
-No proof of chance for moderator (4 lines of easily fakeable skype chat with fake names "Owner" lmao...)

He claims he wants to prevent the owner from finding out who he is, yet his sythe name is the same as his alleged skype name according to the "chat logs"...? So either he's lying about the other details of the account which may not exist or the chatlogs are fake..

Maybe if the moderator who requested my TWC took the time to even read the posts on the thread prior to requesting a TWC, I am more than willing to verify it to a moderator (or any potential buyer) that not only am I a $1000 donator, but I am one of the most trusted users on this alleged server. I have also already addressed the skype quarrel on my thread;

I may be interested Also Maybe tell us some features on the server that might encounter us to Buy the Account? maybe some pictures Also just a question I assume the Text you copied and Paste about the owner asking you if you want mod was on Skype. Just a quick question why is his name "Owner?"

My name on skype is not Altruism.. I censored it in case the owner would coincidentally see this or something idk. I am not adding any pictures, or more information. PM Me a skype and I will tell you anything you wish to know, just not publicly.

With that being said.. I can name multiple RSPS owners that are not only active on Sythe, but are actively pursuing rule breakers on their server.. This is not a server as large as Soulsplit or DeviousPK, so if I was to post even the server name, anyone who plays the server I am speaking of would be able to know who I am without me even releasing any more details. As I said on my OP, I am one of only two people with the highest donator rank on the server;

I am a $1000+ donator on the server, and 1 of the only 2 donators with the "Respected" rank. Your username displays as "Respected Donator xx". I also have Custom User Title access, which costs $xx to donate for.

I have seen countless threads get locked because a user did not supply the "required proof". I have seen countless threads where a staff member has said "Post pics or it will be locked".

An example from just the other day;

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-3-item-sales/1644895-selling-runefest-2013-game-item.html

You need some sort of proof. Whether this be in the form of a Runefest ticket, part of the redemption code.. whatever. I'll lock this if you have zero proof.

I find it very unprofessional, and or very bias that I have received a TWC for something I have been trying to sell for months. Clearly no users were in immediate danger.

I will finish by saying, if any staff member wishes to contact me, I will prove that;

a.) The server is in the Top 10 on Multiple RSPS Voting sites
b.) The server has seen 150+ players online just the other day
c.) I have the highest donator rank possible (Will verify in-game + on forums)
d.) Anything else they wish to see.

 

[Laptop65]

Off site vouches / donator status / rank are meaningless here.

Also, you are supposed to dispute your TWC here - http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/

 

[Altruism]

Off site vouches / donator status / rank are meaningless here.

Also, you are supposed to dispute your TWC here - http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/

??????? Clearly you did not even bother reading the thread.. Off site "reputation" has nothing to do with this thread, or why I am posting this thread.

I was given a TWC for "not supplying proof" of what I am selling. I have been selling my account on the RSPS for 3 months now. Not once has a moderator told me to provide more proof. I have not provided additional proof because the information could easily get me banned on the RSPS.. which I am now repeating for the third time. If any moderator would have asked for proof, just once, I would have happily supplied them all the proof via PM, so they could verify I have what I am selling.

I have seen mods tell a user to supply proof of it will be locked
I have seen mods lock a thread and tell a user to re-post with proof

But how is it remotely fair to TWC someone because they have not supplied proof of what they are selling?

Next time read before you post, thanks.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

Just read the entire thing In summary;

-Your TWC was reported by a user and handled by a mod as a result of a misunderstanding

-However it is your fault for putting up [$1,000 Donator] in your thread title and not specifying that you were $1,000 Donor ON THE RSPS, because when you put that in a thread title the staff and the user whom reported you thought you were referring to being a $1,000 on Sythe.org (which if you were you would indicate it by putting it in your thread title)....

-If like you claim you can verify you are a $1,000 donor on the RSPS I don't think your TWC would be warranted....

In regards to the staff being unprofessional i think thats a little harsh in this scenario, i too was under the mistake once that I am the only user whom has something going on, but you have to understand this site deals with 10+ active new scam reports/10+ Disputes or Pardons on a daily basis, some involving high profiled users being wrongfully accused you can understand why they have to prioritise these things... So i don't think a delay is fair enough reason to call them un-proffesional... I can think of many other reasons to do so however what is posted here isn't merritt enough to do so, just dispute your TWC in the section laptop65 linked you specifying what you meant by the thread that was reported in and you should have your TWC removed -.-...

 

[Altruism]

Just read the entire thing In summary;

-However it is your fault for putting up [$1,000 Donator] in your thread title and not specifying that you were $1,000 Donor ON THE RSPS, because when you put that in a thread title the staff and the user whom reported you thought you were referring to being a $1,000 on Sythe.org (which if you were you would indicate it by putting it in your thread title)....

I specified on the thread that I am a $1000 donator on the server. If you look at account sales for RSPS' or RS, users often put things that make the account unique in tags such as [Level] [High stats]. etc.

As the original post on my thread states, it has a good chance to be a mod on the RSPS and is 1K donator,

http://www.sythe.org/runescape-priv...ller-server-good-chance-staff-1000-donor.html

In regards to the staff being unprofessional i think thats a little harsh in this scenario, i too was under the mistake once that I am the only user whom has something going on, but you have to understand this site deals with 10+ active new scam reports/10+ Disputes or Pardons on a daily basis, some involving high profiled users being wrongfully accused you can understand why they have to prioritise these things... So i don't think a delay is fair enough reason to call them un-proffesional... I can think of many other reasons to do so however what is posted here isn't merritt enough to do so,

Just dispute your TWC in the section laptop65 linked you specifying what you meant by the thread that was reported in and you should have your TWC removed -.-...

Laptop simply saw "TWC" and posted without reading for more than 10 seconds. As far as "having the TWC removed", I should have never been given it in the first place.

First impressions can go a long way, and I realize that staff are busy and have a lot more important things on their plate, but this moderator created more work for the staff team by requesting a TWC.

-Has to post a thread requesting my TWC
-Global+ has to give me my TWC
-Moderator now has to approve my TWC appeal thread
-Moderators now have to re-look into my TWC reason
-Global+ now has to remove my TWC (if applicable)

Instead the mod could of just posted saying "Please provide proof or this will be locked", or "Locked, please PM me with proof or repost with proof".

I realize I'm probably being a little too critical, but I think the staff team should consider being more efficient when handling something. This moderator spread work to multiple branches of the staff team, when they could have just kept it at their level\individualized. Perhaps the title should have been inefficient (n)

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

I specified on the thread that I am a $1000 donator on the server.

I know but you made it the title in the thread, hence the MISUNDERSTANDING.....

Laptop simply saw "TWC" and posted without reading for more than 10 seconds.

Yeh he isn't staff so it doesn't matter i think he skimmed through it -.-...

As far as "having the TWC removed", I should have never been given it in the first place.

Yeh you shouldn't have hence why you are being told to dispute it, mistakes happen, just dispute it and make it clear what you meant with the thread title -.-...

First impressions can go a long way, and I realize that staff are busy and have a lot more important things on their plate, but this moderator created more work for the staff team by requesting a TWC.

-Has to post a thread requesting my TWC
-Global+ has to give me my TWC
-Moderator now has to approve my TWC appeal thread
-Moderators now have to re-look into my TWC reason
-Global+ now has to remove my TWC (if applicable)

shit happens, and all you have to do is make a short thread explaining how it was a misunderstanding without getting abusive and i'm sure a global+ will handle it as soon as they can -.-

Instead the mod could of just posted saying "Please provide proof or this will be locked", or "Locked, please PM me with proof or repost with proof".

You again must not have made it clear, however if they are asking you to show proof you are a $1,000 donor on the RSPS you should provide the proof -.-... Even if your TWC was a misunderstanding, you may not have to prove your innocence to receive a TWC but you do in order to remove it...

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I realize I'm probably being a little too critical, but I think the staff team should consider being more efficient when handling something. This moderator spread work to multiple branches of the staff team, when they could have just kept it at their level\individualized. Perhaps the title should have been inefficient (n)

Yeh no one cares... dispute your TWC...

 

[Altruism]

Yeh no one cares... dispute your TWC...

Except this is the feedback section, I am allowed to post my thoughts on how a situation was taken care of.

"Did we do something good? Did we do something bad? Give us feedback here."

http://www.sythe.org/feedback/1516636-feedback-rules.html

This section is for feedback pertinent to Sythe.Org and its staff members.

It is not for:

-Suggestions
-Trivial complaints (especially infractions)

Please, focus on the side of pragmatic, constructive feedback (if you notice a problem, offer a solution, etc). Please be respectful and composed when posting in this forum, regardless of the nature of the feedback.

Thanks!

Staff often over complicate simple issues and aren't being as efficient as they could be.

I don't feel it to be a trivial complaint, but that is a matter of opinion. Accident or not, this TWC is a potential major inconvenience, and it will influence a user's opinion on you regardless of why you have it.

ie-

180m please

I'll match 180 if you don't want to trade with him because it says trade with caution on his profile. Its my last offer for real. Please sell to me

This user was stereotyped by another user due to the rank. I don't know why x kev x was TWC'd, and I'm sure TJOC doesn't either, but users will feel the need to point out the rank if you have one.

 

[theamberleaf]

While I do actually agree with some of what you are saying. I can understand why that thread title might be considered misleading.

Does this warrant a TWC? That's not for me to decide, I recently had issues with TWC's after I was given one for something which I believed to be very trivial. It just so happened that various mods agreed and supported me. It seems your best chance is to earn/gain their support rather than shouting abuse at their punishment system; no system is perfect and calling people unprofessional isn't a great start.

The efficiency of their system should't be your concern, you aren't responsible for their actions only your own. While I'm sure feedback is welcome, a slightly more diplomatic approach wouldn't go amiss I'm sure!

Good luck.

 

[Ziggily]

As I was the one who put in for your TWC, let me explain my reasoning. You got it due to the misleading information in your thread title/thread. I mainly applied it because our newer members might take that as a sign of trust which ultimately is never a good thing. Feel free to post a dispute and tell us your reasoning as to why you think you don't deserve one.

I'm sure that if it was a misunderstanding, we can get this resolved rather quickly with just a few edits to your thread. I advise for you to keep anything offsite related out of your title [Donations, Vouches etc.] to prevent this from happening again.

@ TPM - If you would like to contact me in regards to your ban. You may. I am sick of seeing you whining about it on the forums. Please act mature about this.

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

I don't feel it to be a trivial complaint, but that is a matter of opinion. Accident or not, this TWC is a potential major inconvenience, and it will influence a user's opinion on you regardless of why you have it.

Look, these days i'm usually first one to criticize staff but this was a simple mistake -.- like you stated it is still an accident? That doesn't make anyone inefficient or unprofessional, mistakes make people human -.- just provide some proof of your claim to have $1,000 donor on your RSPS and post it in the dispute section, it could get resolved as early as today if its short and specific -.-... I've had the TWC before, it has done nothing to my reputation....

 

[theamberleaf]

it has done nothing to my reputation....

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

[ThePrestigedMuzza]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Please... .....I got like 15 Vouches whilst I had the TWC which inevitably allowed it to get removed around a week later... As much of a pain in the ass that I have been, my rep as someone honest isn't in dispute

 

[theamberleaf]

Don't worry, I wasn't questioning your reliability/trust, nor was I questioning your performance whilst you held the TWC.

I was however hinting ever so slightly at the numerous times I've seen you banned, un-banned and TWC'ed xD

#freetpm

 

[Altruism]

As I was the one who put in for your TWC, let me explain my reasoning. You got it due to the misleading information in your
thread title/thread.

I mainly applied it because our newer members might take that as a sign of trust which ultimately is never a good thing. Feel free to post a dispute and tell us your reasoning as to why you think you don't deserve one.

I advise for you to keep anything offsite related out of your title [Donations, Vouches etc.] to prevent this from happening again.

My title says "Good chance for staff + $1000 Donatior" > My thread clearly says its a $1000 donator on the RSPS', and has a good chance for staff on the RSPS'

Like I stated, a Global moderator, who is now an administrator had no problem with what my title said, because he is the one who made the title what it is. Along with multiple staff members seeing the thread before, and the fact the thread has been open for three months, I still find it to be way too over the top.

I just asked one of my friends (Who has been a member for a long time), he says you're pretty much allowed to put anything you want in the title, in regards to that, unless that has been changed.

http://www.sythe.org/denied-suggest...low-trusted-titles-unless-they-have-rank.html

Ex-Moderator

Like I said in the other thread, being trusted is subjective to each person. While some people think 300 vouches is trusted, others think vouches are nothing. You're allowed to put whatever you want as the title, but it's up to the traders to decide if a user is really trust worthy, and if not, to use an MM.

Ex-Admin

Although I do find it annoying when users proclaim themselves "trusted," there's really nothing you can do about it. They're just trying to attract attention to their service - [Trusted], [Experienced], [Cheap], [HOT!]; if you disallow one tag, they'll come up with another, and most of the time it will be bullshit. I think users should be able to figure out for themselves that they should be weary of anyone who self-proclaims themselves as trustworthy.

Also, there are very few users who have earned the "Highly Trusted" rank, and most of them can simply tag their threads with ex-mod/ex-admin/ex-OMM - they don't really lose out.

And I made a TWC appeal like I said in my op before even posting this. My thread is still yet to be approved.

 

[BGlave]

After reading all this, you're at fault. I'm shocked no one reported your thread sooner. If you're unable to provide proof of you being a $1,000 donor, what is the point in displaying or mentioning it? The "good chance for staff" is really indiscreet and the funny part about that is you're breaking the rules of the server which is contradictory to your title. You could say a Moderator's job is to be pessimistic. You could also say they're overcritical. Does that mean they have bad judgment? With all due insight, you were wrong.

 

[Altruism]

After reading all this, you're at fault. I'm shocked no one reported your thread sooner. If you're unable to provide proof of you being a $1,000 donor, what is the point in displaying or mentioning it?

God this is just becoming quite amusing at how many people do NOT read a thread or the posts on it prior to posting.

a.) I can provide proof.. I am not posting it publicly because it would be way too easy to get banned on the RSPS' - Not one staff member asked me to post proof of anything, and multiple staff members have seen the thread. Would be more than happy to supply proof to a mod via PM.

b.) The moderator who requested my TWC just stated they TWC'd me simply because I PUT "$1000 Donator", and that it could be misleading to newer users. See my last post for a response to that, because I grow sick of repeating myself for users that are too lazy to read a thread.

The "good chance for staff" is really indiscreet and the funny part about that is you're breaking the rules of the server which is contradictory to your title. You could say a Moderator's job is to be pessimistic. You could also say they're overcritical. Does that mean they have bad judgment? With all due insight, you were wrong.

Wow mr.Morals is going to try and throw his morals in my face on a site revolved around and founded on breaking rules on a game, K!

 

"chance at mod on another site" is subjective and a stupid thing to put in your title. Why would that make you any more trusted?

Also off site vouches/donations etc aren't official here and don't count. You can't put it in your thread title.

Being abusive to those who do not share your opinion isn't the right way to go about this and will not win you any friends on sythe.org.

As for "morals on a site revolved around breaking rules on a game", it's a grey area. Legally though, the site is fine as breaking TOS on a game is far from illegal. You're here too aren't you? You are here when you are supposedly a respected member of a RSPS community which does not condone black market game trading.

 

[BGlave]

God this is just becoming quite amusing at how many people do NOT read a thread or the posts on it prior to posting.

a.) I can provide proof.. I am not posting it publicly because it would be way to easy to get banned on the RSPS' - Not one staff member asked me to post proof of anything, and multiple staff members have seen the thread.

b.) The moderator who requested my TWC just stated they TWC'd me simply because I PUT that I "$1000 Donator", and that it could be misleading to newer users. See my last post for a response to that.



Wow mr.Morals is going to try and throw his morals in my face on a site revolved around breaking rules on a game, K!

The point being made is to provide proof before transaction/IM interaction. You're the one taking the risk of being banned as are the rest of us. $1,000 donor is misleading and false advertisement of your thread. It was too vague. The excuse "I'm clearly not $1,000 donor on sythe" doesn't apply here. Could even say that's self-indulgment. That leads the buyer to become indecisive unable to make correct choices and can lead to scams. Feel free to dispute your twc, but protection of members are what moderators aim for. No need to be stubborn. You saying that you have a good chance of moderator while breaking the rules of the server really tells the tale. You don't see me saying I'm an option for future Player Mod. The tasteless attitude was uncalled for, I'm telling you how it is.

 

[Altruism]

"chance at mod on another site" is subjective and a stupid thing to put in your title. Why would that make you any more trusted?

Lovely, another "high profile" member of this site who is completely in the dark.

Once again.. I can show proof of the RSPS' owner's Skype, and the messages he has sent me on a daily basis. The point is.. I can be a staff member on the RSPS' should I choose to be one. The point is, I know lots of players join servers to try hard for staff. People join a RSPS, donate hundreds, and don't get staff. Join a RSPS and help for months, and don't get staff. The point is to attract people who play RSPS to staff-hunt, because no RSPS with this many players is going to "sell you a staff spot".

Also off site vouches/donations etc aren't official here and don't count. You can't put it in your thread title.

Lovely, another "high profile" member of this site who is completely in the dark.

Where do I say it makes me more trusted? Not once have I referenced my reputation on another site as a reason to trust me here. I am simply listing what makes the account valuable. Look at people who sell other RSPS' accounts, they say its a dicer, extreme donator, etc etc. My account is a $1000 donator on the server I play, which give the account its value.

The point being made is to provide proof before transaction/IM interaction. You're the one taking the risk of being banned as are the rest of us. $1,000 donor is misleading and false advertisement of your thread. It was too vague. The excuse "I'm clearly not $1,000 donor on sythe" doesn't apply here. Could even say that's self-indulgment. That leads the buyer to become indecisive unable to make correct choices and can lead to scams. Feel free to dispute your twc, but protection of members are what moderators aim for. No need to be stubborn. You saying that you have a good chance of moderator while breaking the rules of the server really tells the tale. You don't see me saying I'm an option for future Player Mod. The tasteless attitude was uncalled for, I'm telling you how it is.

http://www.sythe.org/lol-accounts/1637330-selling-diamond-5-na-trusted.html

Wow he put "TRUSTED" in his title, quick request that he gets a TWC ! He is such a large threat right now!

http://www.sythe.org/search.php

Go search threads made with "trusted".

My title is no more misleading or vague as putting "trusted"

 

[BGlave]

Lovely, another "high profile" member of this site who is completely in the dark.

Once again.. I can show proof of the RSPS' owner's Skype, and the messages he has sent me on a daily basis. The point is.. I can be a staff member on the RSPS' should I choose to be one. The point is, I know lots of players join servers to try hard for staff. People join a RSPS, donate hundreds, and don't get staff. Join a RSPS and help for months, and don't get staff. The point is to attract people who play RSPS to staff-hunt, because no RSPS with this many players is going to "sell you a staff spot".



Lovely, another "high profile" member of this site who is completely in the dark.

Where do I say it makes me more trusted? Not once have I referenced my reputation on another site as a reason to trust me here. I am simply listing what makes the account valuable. Look at people who sell other RSPS' accounts, they say its a dicer, extreme donator, etc etc. My account is a $1000 donator on the server I play, which give the account its value.




http://www.sythe.org/lol-accounts/1637330-selling-diamond-5-na-trusted.html

Wow he put "TRUSTED" in his title, quick request that he gets a TWC ! He is such a large threat right now!

http://www.sythe.org/search.php

Go search threads made with "trusted".

My title is no more misleading or vague as putting "trusted"

Would I be wrong to say that is false advertisement? Being as you aren't a "$1,000" donor on this site, nor did you put the name of the private server. Understandable that releasing that information might get you banned, but you're using it in the wrong context to gain more views.