U.S.A Gun Control

[Lord LaLa]

I'm not saying everyone go back to black-powder weapons. What i am saying is that the law was brought out century's ago. What i do think should happen is the law be updated to relevant times.

im sorry, but lets say i got a robber in my house, i miss, now it takes me 30 seconds at least to fire another shot, lets not even mention if there is a 2nd robber.

 

[Freddy Krueger]

You seem to be missing the point, the chart would just shift from more legally owned guns to more illegally owned guns.

This doesn't prove murder rates would go down if guns were more difficult to obtain legally.

So many petty attempts to try dissuade from the facts. I'll answer this tomorrow, I have a paper to write.

 

[GIJoo]

Yah when you're only proving an argument as to why YOU shouldn't own a gun...and your argument is only proving that there is a problem to the process of obtaining guns, such as lack of psych evals. Something I'm sure you couldn't pass...I hope you get help, though.

 

[Lord LaLa]

1: It is not an argument on not owning a gun, i like the fact that in america you can have a weapon to protect yourself, i just feel they are too easy to obtain, and too many high powered weapons are available. You can go into a store and buy say a shotgun for the same price as an Xbox360 or a PS3 which i dont agree with.

Yah when you're only proving an argument as to why YOU shouldn't own a gun...and your argument is only proving that there is a problem to the process of obtaining guns, such as lack of psych evals. Something I'm sure you couldn't pass...I hope you get help, though.

 

[yavarevenge]

You're too immature to even participate in a debate. Calling people names on the internet makes you look like a chump, keep that in mind. Grow up, let your balls sag a little bit more and come back and talk to me when you're big boy, k-thanks.

yeee, because you are so mature talking about sagging balls.

You're so smart, that so true. Once guns are regulated, everyone will start using shovels to kill everyone. Are you listening to yourself?
A shovel is not identified as a murder weapon, it is a gardening tool. :laugh:

point being, if a person wants a person dead, it dont matter how it happens, it will happen

 

[Freddy Krueger]

yeee, because you are so mature talking about sagging balls.


point being, if a person wants a person dead, it dont matter how it happens, it will happen

No, it DOES matter how it happens. A person with an MP5 can easily kill 27 people.
If he had a gardening tool, you know it somewhere in your thick, NRA skull that he would have been stopped before it reached that # of fatalities.

 

[Freddy Krueger]

IT'S SO SIMPLE. GUN CONTROL RESULTS IN LESS GUN-RELATED DEATHS. HOW DOES MORE GUNS RESULT IN LESS GUN-RELATED DEATHS. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

 

[kill dank]

IT'S SO SIMPLE. GUN CONTROL RESULTS IN LESS GUN-RELATED DEATHS. HOW DOES MORE GUNS RESULT IN LESS GUN-RELATED DEATHS. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

YES! Let's just make guns illegal! That will take them off the street and solve the problem! Come to think of it, we should do this with meth, crack, heroine, prostitution, rape, and anything else really! Great idea!

 

[mage3158]

IT'S SO SIMPLE. GUN CONTROL RESULTS IN LESS GUN-RELATED DEATHS. HOW DOES MORE GUNS RESULT IN LESS GUN-RELATED DEATHS. WHY IS THIS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND.

So when that guy who was going to shoot up a place can't get a hold of a gun, but he REALLY wants to kill people, he'll just make a simple to make home made explosive!

Gun related deaths may lower, but why do you think homicides in general would lower?

 

[jaamal]

So when that guy who was going to shoot up a place can't get a hold of a gun, but he REALLY wants to kill people, he'll just make a simple to make home made explosive!

Gun related deaths may lower, but why do you think homicides in general would lower?

Nativity and optimism. Very hopeful.

 

[SuF]

Incorrect, you fucking kook. Since 1982, there have been 58 mass murders.
So, out of the 134 guns possessed by those killers, 3/4 of them have been obtained legally.

Yeah no problem we just keep giving them guns legally and then they massacre you again and again.
Definitely no problem for the national rifle association when you have to buy more guns in panic and worrying about protecting yourself.

This is why you make them harder to get and increase laws about keeping them locked when not in use and what not. Don't ban them. Regulate them. Be smart about it and most people can still have their guns.

 

[Emperor Nero]

This is why you make them harder to get and increase laws about keeping them locked when not in use and what not. Don't ban them. Regulate them. Be smart about it and most people can still have their guns.

Exactly, people like the person you quoted on both sides of the argument is why there can be nothing done. One extreme side says ban them, and the other extreme side says give them all fully automatic rifles and they won't budge so gun control has become a political no mans land.

 

[Freddy Krueger]

YES! Let's just make guns illegal! That will take them off the street and solve the problem! Come to think of it, we should do this with meth, crack, heroine, prostitution, rape, and anything else really! Great idea!

You fucking imbecile. I never said we should make guns ILLEGAL.
I'm saying HEAVILY-REGULATED GUN CONTROL will prevent MOST gun-related deaths.

 

[slysteeler]

No high powered guns should be available for sale to the public. I think high caliber handguns should be the most that should be available to the general public. Shotguns should require a strict license with mental tests and training required before someone can purchase one. There should also be a limit on how many firearms you can purchase in a set period, i.e. 10 years.

Assault rifles, sub-machine guns, should all be banned from sale and use. Except by the military and police. No one really requires an assault rifle in their home. You are not fighting a war, the 2nd amendment exists for citizens to defend themselves, an assault rifle is way over the top for self defence. Most of these massacres are conducted with assault or automatic rifles.

 

[Emperor Nero]

You fucking imbecile. I never said we should make guns ILLEGAL.
I'm saying HEAVILY-REGULATED GUN CONTROL will prevent MOST gun-related deaths.

Not true at all. That is a false assumption. I can easily go to my local neighborhood hoodlum or gangbanger and with enough money I can buy a gun with the serials scratched off so it's untraceable. It isn't hard to get a gun if you live in or near a metropolitan area. Hell, I know that and I live in the middle of nowhere in the mountains. Look at the drug cartels that transport thousands and thousands of guns in and out of the US every year. They're so many undocumented firearms that it isn't even funny, and the thing is that they're not hard to get. So regulating gun control to a point where it is nearly impossible to get a gun is no solution. Moderated gun control with a firepower limit (ie you can't sell about x caliber) is more the way to go.



I agree with Sly. Why the hell does someone need a Bushmaster or another high power rifle like that? The only reason I can even think of is a person that is a collector, because you can't hunt with them. A collector should have to be licensed and they should have to keep all of their ammunition and guns in different safes with different combinations. My grandfather is a gun collector and has an extensive collection of firearms. Him and my grandmother decided to keep some fairly mentally disturbed foster children for a charity and that was their requirement of him. All of his firearms and ammo had to be separate.

 

[T V]

This is why you make them harder to get and increase laws about keeping them locked when not in use and what not. Don't ban them. Regulate them. Be smart about it and most people can still have their guns.

Moderated gun control with a firepower limit (ie you can't sell about x caliber) is more the way to go.

A collector should have to be licensed and they should have to keep all of their ammunition and guns in different safes with different combinations.

How would these regulations be enforced?

 

[mage3158]

To make guns a bit more reasonable without limiting availablilty too much would be a licensing system similar to a drivers license. Take a test, then show how well you do with the class of weapon in terms of safely maintaining and firing, and see if you pass.


Gun shows should also be better regulated.

 

[Emperor Nero]

How would these regulations be enforced?

The same way all other regulations are enforced. It isn't that difficult to prevent gun stores, pawn shops, and sporting good stores from selling high power firearms. There has already been a ban once, but it was let run out in the early 2000's. It won't be that hard to get another one because a number of states already have taken it upon themselves to enact assault rifle bans. I agree with mage on the gunshow loopholes too. They should be eliminated.

 

[Freddy Krueger]

Look at the drug cartels that transport thousands and thousands of guns in and out of the US every year. They're so many undocumented firearms that it isn't even funny, and the thing is that they're not hard to get.

http://gunvictimsaction.org/fact-sheet/fact-sheet-illegal-gun-trafficking-arms-criminals-and-youth/

Virtually every gun starts out as a legally manufactured product, but the
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) points to three common ways guns move from legal distribution channels to the criminal market:


Corrupt federally licensed gun dealers: Federally licensed gun dealers send more guns to the criminal market than any other single source. Nearly 60% of the guns used in crime are traced back to a small number—just 1.2%—of crooked gun dealers. Corrupt dealers frequently have high numbers of missing guns, in many cases because they’re selling guns “off the books” to private sellers and criminals. In 2005, the ATF examined 3,083 gun dealers and found 12,274 “missing” firearms.


Straw purchasing: Straw purchasing is the most common way criminals get guns, accounting for almost 50% of trafficking investigations. A straw purchaser is someone with a clean record who buys guns on behalf of someone legally prohibited from possessing guns. Straw purchasers are often the friends, relatives, spouses or girlfriends of prohibited purchasers. The two Columbine High School shooters recruited friends to buy guns for them at Colorado gun shows. One of the buyers admitted she would not have bought the guns if she had been required to submit to a background check.


Gun Shows and private gun sales: Gun shows have been called “Tupperware parties for criminals” because they attract large numbers of prohibited buyers. A loophole in federal law allows unlicensed or “private” sellers, many of whom work out of gun shows, to lawfully sell or transfer guns without conducting a criminal background check. Gun show dealers have been known to advertise to criminals with signs that read “no background checks required here.”

 

[yavarevenge]

No, it DOES matter how it happens. A person with an MP5 can easily kill 27 people.
If he had a gardening tool, you know it somewhere in your thick, NRA skull that he would have been stopped before it reached that # of fatalities.

if you are going killing, just to kill, like the oregon mall shooting, i live in a small town, i know i could go door to door, like religious people, when they invite me in their house, kill them, and on to the next house, i could kill 100+ people by the time the police found out, and when they do, im already in the next town.

No high powered guns should be available for sale to the public. I think high caliber handguns should be the most that should be available to the general public. Shotguns should require a strict license with mental tests and training required before someone can purchase one. There should also be a limit on how many firearms you can purchase in a set period, i.e. 10 years.

Assault rifles, sub-machine guns, should all be banned from sale and use. Except by the military and police. No one really requires an assault rifle in their home. You are not fighting a war, the 2nd amendment exists for citizens to defend themselves, an assault rifle is way over the top for self defence. Most of these massacres are conducted with assault or automatic rifles.

great idea, the 2nd amendment was to protect ourselfs from law enforcement, all this does is give law enforcement an upper hand when they decide to strip us of our rights. and lets not forget, how many murderers do you know of that would wilfully give up that .223 ar-15?