To Atheists.

[sacred421]

"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist." - Stephen Hawking

Easiest way to put it.

Just going to throw this out again. Hawking is just as intelligent, if not more intelligent than Einstein was. Einstein wasn't sure what started it, and he also leaned towards the idea of gravity.

 

[Gmoney6693]

Your a moron.

 

[Maleficent]

Your a moron.

Care to elaborate?

 

[Ozaki]

Your a moron.

You're*

 

[Itz Me]

You're*

I lol'd hard.

@Sacred421 Einstein once said that he isn't as smart as everyone makes him out to be, he just spends more time thinking about one problem than anyone else.

 

[Ozaki]

It's not about the big names in science, it's about the general consensus amongst the educated: that the Big Bang is the cause of the Universe.

 

[Psywar1]

this guy is making more sense then most people, athiests use that "give me proof of god" thing constantly. I want proof that god isn't real, and don't give me the big bang theory or the evolution theory, that doesn't disprove anything. Again im not christian but i do want it to be known that god isn't and entity but more of an excuse for people to act right in life, it gives them fear that their actions will be judged. now if you actually look at it from my point of view its simply a reason for people to have hope, there is no way to prove his existence or disprove it.

The reason I like vini's post is because he actually has an intelligent argument rather then most atheists that just say "there's no god, if there is a god show me proof." this isn't a biased opinion on atheists but it is how most of them have portrayed their argument to me irl. I don't get why athiests make it a point to denounce religion, it basically has no purpose. we all have opinions and you cant say if yours or anyone else's is any better anyone else.

Intelligent argument? Where?

You're contradicting yourself here. If God isn't an entity as you put it, but merely an "excuse" for people to have hope. You're basically saying that God gives believers fear that if they do something wrong, they will be punished, but nothing more than that. That basically means he is just like a fable and fables are fiction.

I'm an Atheist, yes, but I don't denounce religion unless provoked. Christians can quietly believe the crap which is known as Christianity and I won't care, but when they attempt to enforce these beliefs while giving no evidence and instead using points like "oh Einstein admitted it!" that aren't backed up by anything, I state my views. Moreover, Einstein himself has said "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

 

[Liquid_stranger]

I believe in the flying spaghetti monster.
'coz if the Christians can believe in little shit who runs around gettin' pissed on water, then I can believe in the flying spaghetti monster.

 

[Maleficent]

I believe in the flying spaghetti monster.
'coz if the Christians can believe in little shit who runs around gettin' pissed on water, then I can believe in the flying spaghetti monster.

What is your point?

 

[pure skillzz]

I believe in the flying spaghetti monster.
'coz if the Christians can believe in little shit who runs around gettin' pissed on water, then I can believe in the flying spaghetti monster.

^above.

You can go right ahead and believe in the flying spaghetti monster, nobody is stopping you.

 

[Liquid_stranger]

I'm saying that there is no heavy evidence of his miracles.
A book isn't enough for me.

 

[Psywar1]

I'm saying that there is no heavy evidence of his miracles.
A book isn't enough for me.

There isn't any evidence at all.

 

[SuF]

Remember it's still just a theory, and not an accepted fact. So before some of you people starting attacking other theories that retains to God, remember they're all theories.

In the sciences, a scientific theory comprises a collection of concepts, including abstractions of observable phenomena expressed as quantifiable properties, together with rules (called scientific laws) that express relationships between observations of such concepts. A scientific theory is constructed to conform to available empirical data about such observations, and is put forth as a principle or body of principles for explaining a class of phenomena.[1]
A scientific theory is a type of inductive theory, in that its content (i.e. empirical data) could be expressed within some formal system of logic whose elementary rules (i.e. scientific laws) are taken as axioms. In a deductive theory, any sentence which is a logical consequence of one or more of the axioms is also a sentence of that theory.[2]

You can't observe God, so there is no theories pertaining to him.

 

[Ozaki]

"The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restores my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou prepares a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anoints my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever."

English > Arabic

"الرب هو الراعي بلدي ، وأنا لا أريد وقال انه جعل لي على الاستلقاء على الأرض في المراعي الخضراء : انه يهدي لي بجانب المياه وهو لا يزال يستعيد نفسي : إنه يهدي لي في سبل البر من اجل اسمه نعم ،. على الرغم من أنني من خلال المشي وادي ظلال الموت ، لا أخاف شرا لانك انت معي ؛ عصاك وعكازك هما راحة لي أنت بإعداد جدول قبلي في وجود أعدائي : يدهن انت رأسي . مع النفط ؛ المتداولة تقول لي كوب بالتأكيد يجب على الخير والرحمة يتبعني كل أيام حياتي : واسكن في بيت الرب الى الابد ".

Arabic > Greek

Â«Ο Κύριος είναι ο ποιμένας μου, δεν θέλω Αυτός maketh μου να ξαπλώσουν σε πράσινα λιβάδια: αυτός με οδηγεί δίπλα στο νερό είναι να επανακτήσουν τον εαυτό μου ακόμα: αυτό με τους οδηγούς στα μονοπάτια της δικαιοσύνης για το όνομα του Ναι Αν και έχω μέσα. με τα πόδια στην κοιλάδα της σκιάς του θανάτου, θα φοβούνται μην κακό: για την τέχνη εσύ μαζί μου? σου ράβδος και σου το προσωπικό τους την άνεση μου να σας προετοιμάσει ένα τραπέζι μπροστά μου με την παρουσία τους εχθρούς μου:. Τρίψτε Είστε το κεφάλι μου με λάδι? διαπραγματεύονται μου πείτε Kobe είναι σίγουρα απαραίτητη για την καλή και έλεος με ακολουθεί πάσας τας ημέρας της ζωής μου: και εγώ θα σταθώ στο σπίτι του Κυρίου για πάντα. "

Greek > Hebrew

"ה 'רועי שלי, אני לא רוצה הוא ויעש לי לשכב בשדות ירוקים: הוא מוביל אותי ליד המים כדי להחזיר את עצמי עדיין: כי הנהגים בנתיבי צדק בשם כן למרות שיש לי בפנים . רגלי בעמק של צלמוות לא אירא רע: עבור האתה איתי; מוט thy וצוות thy לנחם אותי להכין טבלה לפניי בנוכחות אויבים שלי. אתה משפשף את הראש עם שמן; משא ומתן תגיד לי קובי הכרחי בהחלט לטובת רחמים לעקוב אחרי כל ימי חיי: ואני יושב בבית ה 'לנצח. "

Hebrew > German

"Die 'Roy, ich will es nicht mich liegen grüne Felder: Er führt mich zum Ruheplatz am Wasser, um mich noch zu bringen: dass die richtigen Pfade Fahrer benannt, so auch wenn ich in meine Füße in das Tal der Schatten des Todes fürchte ich kein Unglück. Denn du mit mir; . dein dein Stecken und Stab trösten mich vorbereiten vor mir einen Tisch im Angesicht meiner Feinde reiben Sie mein Haupt mit Öl; verhandeln Kobe sagen Sie mir für Mitleid ist absolut notwendig, um mein ganzes Leben lang verfolgen: Ich bin in der Sitzung zu gewinnen. "

German > Italian

"La 'Roy, non voglio mi sono campi verdi: lui mi porta accanto all'acqua, per farmi ancora di più: che i percorsi corretti conducente designato, quindi, anche se ho paura a piedi nella valle dell'ombra della morte Io non male per tu con me asta tuo conforto e il tuo bastone mi preparo un tavolo davanti a me in faccia dei miei nemici strofinare il mio capo con olio;.. negoziare Kobe dimmi per pietà è assolutamente necessario monitorare tutta la mia vita : sto vincendo alla riunione.

Italian > French

"Le 'Roy, je ne veux pas les champs verts: il me dirige près des eaux, pour me faire encore plus: que les chemins corrects conducteur désigné, de sorte que même si j'ai peur de marcher dans la vallée de l'ombre de la mort, je ne mauvais pour vous avec moi: ta houlette et ton confort personnel à me préparer devant moi une table en face de mes ennemis me frotter la tête avec de l'huile; de négocier Kobe me dire .. pitié, il est absolument nécessaire de suivre toute ma vie: je gagne l' réunion.

And now we're going to go back to English. Bear in mind that we're using sophisticated modern translation technology.

"The LORD is my shepherd; I shall not want. He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters. He restores my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake. Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me. Thou prepares a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anoints my head with oil; my cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever."

"The 'Roy, I do not want green fields: he leads me beside the water, to make me even more: that the correct paths designated driver, so even though I'm afraid to walk in the valley of the shadow of death I do not bad for you with me your rod and thy staff comfort me prepare a table before me in the face of my enemies rub my head with oil; to negotiate Kobe tell me .. pity it is absolutely necessary to monitor all my life: I'm winning the meeting.

Analysis

- Jesus could have actually been called 'Mr. Cheese' (Lord > Roy).
- Whenever the Bible refers to righteousness (a lot), it is actually talking about riding horses. (designated driver)
- Entirely new Bible characters have been invented accidentally through translation (see 'Kobe').
- Hell may actually be a wonderful non-stop tea party ('goodness and mercy' became privacy violations...).
- All houses are meetings, and vice versa.

And the most shocking one...

- The Lord could have been rubbing 'heads' with oil and doing 'bad things' with his 'rod'. Also, it doesn't tell us what he does to the 'face of his enemies', but I've got a good idea Religion is so hypocritical, isn't it?

 

[somethingiwillremember]

It's not about the big names in science, it's about the general consensus amongst the educated: that the Big Bang is the cause of the Universe.

Ozaki, the Big Bang Theory does not actually say anything about the "cause of the Universe". It is simply a model which explains the expansion of spacetime.

Introduction to the big bang theory part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPUutjtqfw


Introduction to the big bang theory part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHfUFljTmw

Watch those vids, very good explanation.

 

[Ozaki]

Ozaki, the Big Bang Theory does not actually say anything about the "cause of the Universe". It is simply a model which explains the expansion of spacetime.

Introduction to the big bang theory part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPUutjtqfw


Introduction to the big bang theory part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RHfUFljTmw

Watch those vids, very good explanation.

I didn't mean the literal creation of existence.

 

[FoxTek]

I find Christianity to be a lie ( I have never read/analyzed any other sacred texts other than the bible so I will not say definitives about those religions ) and feel that without absolute proof nothing can be certain nor believed to the extent some religions and scientific answers are.

Example: We believe that our 'souls' have to go somewhere so religions came up with some kind of heaven, hell and purgatory.

Who says that our souls have to go anywhere though? My Theology professor said something that is very true and would apply to everyone - "I can not imagine a world without myself". We know life will go on after we are dead as it has gone on before we were born but who wants to believe that after they die they no longer exist?

Were the above statement not true there would be no need for heaven, hell and purgatory.

I also feel that all this topic will do is start everyone fighting and flaming each other.

My own personal views you may wonder? I choose not to say at this time.

EDIT: Some images for you to enjoy

 

[somethingiwillremember]

I find Christianity to be a lie ( I have never read/analyzed any other sacred texts other than the bible so I will not say definitives about those religions ) and feel that without absolute proof nothing can be certain nor believed to the extent some religions and scientific answers are.

Example: We believe that our 'souls' have to go somewhere so religions came up with some kind of heaven, hell and purgatory.

Who says that our souls have to go anywhere though? My Theology professor said something that is very true and would apply to everyone - "I can not imagine a world without myself". We know life will go on after we are dead as it has gone on before we were born but who wants to believe that after they die they no longer exist?

Were the above statement not true there would be no need for heaven, hell and purgatory.

I also feel that all this topic will do is start everyone fighting and flaming each other.

My own personal views you may wonder? I choose not to say at this time.

There is no evidence that something like a "soul" exists. All evidence points to our brains being the sole determinant of our personal identity, ie. we are our brains and nothing more/less. This is what will happen when you die: http://naturalism.org/death.htm

 

[FoxTek]

There is no evidence that something like a "soul" exists. All evidence points to our brains being the sole determinant of our personal identity, ie. we are our brains and nothing more/less. This is what will happen when you die: http://naturalism.org/death.htm

I know that there is no evidence that the soul exists. I simply stated that heaven, hell and purgatory exist for the soul. Please read more carefully.

 

[Itz Me]

Made me lol because it's true.