The thread disproves god entirely

[Shredderbeam]

This makes no since this dumb fuck posts some thing that talks about religion and dosnt get locked, When i post some thing while back same subject by some one else Global mod dush ma goosh closes it and locks it. little wrong right there.

For the third time, you posted a thread that was dedicated to the discussion of the existence of God. One thread will suffice. If this thread ever dies, you are free to create a new one.

ProudCheater, that's what happens when a bunch of immature 13 year olds run the site. They just learnt about the theory of evolution in year 8 science so now they think they know everything and any one who disagrees is wrong.

I don't think that any of the staff are 13.

Also, the main people who disagree with you are dpunk, and I. I don't know about dpunk, how old he is, etc., but clearly, his age is not a factor as he is able to be perfectly rational. As for myself, I am 18, and have studied evolution outside of year 8.

 

[Fallen Soul]

Not everything in it is true...care to give a few examples?

God promised the messiah.
Jesus walked the earth, rose from the dead.
Created the world.
Idk read it yourself if you need more examples

 

[`Sp3ke]

I don't believe in god, to me it's just a cover up from the truth.

I used to believe in the "Big Bang" theory, but if you think about it...

"Is it Merle a coincidence that we have feet we walk on?"
"Is it Merle a coincidence that we have teeth for biting food, throat to swallow and a digestive system?"

Is it really all a coincidence, life's like a jigsaw puzzle?

Well I'll let you answer that one ^

Regards,

Sp3ke.

 

[tgbclan]

CHRISTIANS AND NON-CHRISTIANS PLEASE READ THIS....

I don't really like term Christian because lots of people have been giving it a bad name. There are some "Christian's" that kill homosexuals. Kill Blacks. And kill other people because of Religeous Difference. I prefer people calling me a BELIEVER IN CHRIST. But that it actually a christian just different wording so I will use the name Christian for this Paragraph. I also don't like the word church either...I use Fellowship instead. But that doesn't matter right now, keep reading.

Just lay down some guidline here. Christianity is NOT a religion. Religion is book of rules that you have to follow to be in a group. Here's an example. Your have to pray 8 times a day. You have to remove your shirt before you enter a holy place...like a church. Your must go to church certain days of the week. You have to repent if you ever done any sins or you'll go to hell. If you don't follow rules like this you are looked down upon or kicked out of the group. Christianity still has rules, we don't have to nesseccarily have to follow them, a good christian will try to become a better christian be doing so but it isn't mandatory.

Christianity is a faith. Faith that someday our lord and saviour will come back to earth and save us and the revelations will begin.

Look if your a christian, you know that anything that it can't be proven that god is real or if he isn't. It doesn't matter. Us Christians don't need to SEE or HEAR Jesus Christ to believe he's real. We have Faith that God/Jesus Christ is real. None christian might not understand this Faith. I don't care. As Christians we shouldn't care about what other people think. (But we're still on here arn't we guys) Even though we shouldn't give a rat's ass about what someone else believes, but we are still here to populate heaven. We still want to try to tell people about our awesome faith.

ShredderBeam to answer your question...Why didn't God find someone else to die on the cross? Jesus died on the cross. Jesus is God. Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are one. It's kind of hard to explain so ask your local christian preacher or pastor. Anyway, God couldn't let a human take all that punishment on a human. All the world's paint, suffering, illness, every nasty thing you can ever thing of was a burden for Jesus Christ to carry until he died.
And God has the right to do anything you wants dingbat. He's God!
And God isn't saying in christianity "follow me or burn in hell" hes just saying that if you don't believe. You cease existing. Hence what most athiests believe. You are born, you live, and you die and cease existing.

For all non-christians out there if there are and christian Alpha courses out there I would seriously recommend attending one of the those courses. It's pretty much just people basicly explaining what christianity is and what's it is about. There not hard on any people who don't believe at all and won't go to church or anything.

And to anyone who thinks hell is a burning pit where you burn and suffering for eternity, well, simply its not. Its just the absence of God. They just have to decribe it as a horrible place in the bible.

B - Basic
I -Instructions
B -Before
L-Leaving
E -Earth

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You can neglect everything and anything I say here. It's your choice. We are only on the Earth or a short number of years before we pass on for the next generations. What you do over the next 100 years or for however longer you will be on this earth will determine what you'll be doing for the next eternity.
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Thanks for reading this if you have any questions or comments or oyu wanna agree of disagree with something or you wanna argue with me or you send hate mail to me please pm me. I'd love to talk.

Heaven's going to be a huge party! And I wanna see you there!!

Someone reply to this...............

 

[Spereff]

You're being too closed minded. You only say that it's perfect because you haven't thought of any other possible realities.

Other possible realities? Why would he just change the world we live in right now? Isn't the scenario he created for us today, good enough? I think it fits our lifestyle well. Other things that happen are too...

You don't need pain to have pleasure. You just need pain to define pleasure. Whether pain was present in a previous situation or not, you can still feel pleasure, it would be called "normal".

Eh heh. Eventually, pleasure and joy would just be "normal." If everything that is good, that comes to us...then it would be normal. Bad and good that comes to us, is considered normal. If everything on Earth was good...then everything on Earth would just have a neutral feeling.

There doesn't have to be a balance of good and bad. There doesn't have to be a balance of anything when an omnipotent being is involved. There aren't any stipulations on how an omnipotent being could arrange the world, and as much as I say it, I still don't think you understand that.

But a balance of good and bad is normal. That's how life works. God isn't going to make everything "good" in the world. That's why there's hell, that's why he punishes people...


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[dpunk]

This makes no since this dumb fuck posts some thing that talks about religion and dosnt get locked, When i post some thing while back same subject by some one else Global mod dush ma goosh closes it and locks it. little wrong right there.

For one, it got locked because there was already a topic discussing it. Also, that thread was the most idiotic piece of work I have read in a while. I really thought you should have been given a temporary forumban just for posting something as stupid as that.

ProudCheater, that's what happens when a bunch of immature 13 year olds run the site. They just learnt about the theory of evolution in year 8 science so now they think they know everything and any one who disagrees is wrong.

First, who learned about evolution when they were 8? Did I miss that day? I barely learned anything about evolution when I was in 9th grade Biology. Most of what I know I had to find out for myself. Another thing, for the last fucking time, THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION MAKES NO REFERENCE TO THE EXISTENCE OF A GOD! Saying that it does is a straw man argument.

Also, for the record I'm 16.

God promised the messiah.
Jesus walked the earth, rose from the dead.
Created the world.
Idk read it yourself if you need more examples

You started with presuppositions again. You first started with the presupposition that a God exists, and went from there with more. Start with NONE and try giving some examples.

Someone reply to this...............

I think someone did.

Other possible realities? Why would he just change the world we live in right now? Isn't the scenario he created for us today, good enough? I think it fits our lifestyle well. Other things that happen are too...

I didn't say it wasn't good, I just said there are other possible ones that could be better.

Eh heh. Eventually, pleasure and joy would just be "normal." If everything that is good, that comes to us...then it would be normal. Bad and good that comes to us, is considered normal. If everything on Earth was good...then everything on Earth would just have a neutral feeling.

Who can really say it would be neutral? What if the state of our minds were changed so that an ever-increasing amount of dopamine flowed in. Yes, it would be "normal", but it wouldn't ever not be utter pleasure. The same goes for "good". What if there was an ever increasing amount of good things that happened, then it wouldn't be considered neutral.

But a balance of good and bad is normal. That's how life works. God isn't going to make everything "good" in the world. That's why there's hell, that's why he punishes people...

That may be how life works now, but an omnipotent being could change that in an instant.

 

[America]

Lol, wanna hear something funny. My friend one day walked up to a priest (i don't know the religion, probably catholic) and asked him -
Friend: "If got made everything, what made him?"
Priest: "We must not ask these kinds of things."

LOL? Owned priest of god!

By the way, did you ever notice that priests say that god made "the heavens" and they say that science is fake. It's funny that we can prove how the redshift of planets and the slow movement of stars away from us, but we can't prove that god exists. I know i'll probably die in my sleep for saying this, but if god exists then why doesn't he prove it. Lol, he's a bser. He'll wait until we have nothing left, then he'll try to help us.

Ugh.... Many sects believe that God also had a heavenly father and mother. Red shift isn't the hardest concept to prove, in fact it's one of the easier ones. If he came down and proved he existed there would be no reason for this life. We're here to be tested. If there was no reason to have faith, there is no test.

 

[dpunk]

Ugh.... Many sects believe that God also had a heavenly father and mother. Red shift isn't the hardest concept to prove, in fact it's one of the easier ones. If he came down and proved he existed there would be no reason for this life. We're here to be tested. If there was no reason to have faith, there is no test.

Its not a test the word "test" implies that the giver of the test is seeking the results, and an omniscient being knows all before it happens, therefore has no need to see the results of any test. Also, you shouldn't need faith for the very basic foundation of you're belief. You should know for a fact that God exists. You should, however, need faith to know that he will provide for you, keep you safe, etc. Needing to have faith that the God you're belief is based on even exists is far more extreme than it should be.

 

[Shredderbeam]

God promised the messiah.
Jesus walked the earth, rose from the dead.
Created the world.
Idk read it yourself if you need more examples

Some say that the messiah hasn't come, nor will he ever come.

Jesus lived, but didn't rise from the dead.

God didn't create the world.

I have read it.

 

[Fallen Soul]

Some say that the messiah hasn't come, nor will he ever come.

Jesus lived, but didn't rise from the dead.

God didn't create the world.

I have read it.

Prove it then, God promised a messiah, Jesus came from a a virgin.
Did lots of miracles and not one person tried to say other wise back then, the only thing they got him on is because he claimed to be god. Which he is.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Prove it then, God promised a messiah, Jesus came from a a virgin.
Did lots of miracles and not one person tried to say other wise back then, the only thing they got him on is because he claimed to be god. Which he is.

What, disprove what is essentially a storybook asserts? Why on Earth would I need to disprove something if it had never been proven in the first place?

 

[Personal Jesus]

Christianity is just another byproduct of controlling people with false threats and promises.

Seriously, it all started with some semi-literate sheep herders claiming to receive visions from divine forces. They preached Heaven and Hell. When one man asked them, "Do you have any evidence support your claims?"

Of course the sheep herder didn't have a single piece of evidence. "Only through faith thou shalt recieve solicitude in the Kingdom of Heaven!", he said, "Those whom do not have faith in Our Creator, shalt burn in the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity!"

Back then, people weren't as educated as we are today. It was the immature intellectual stage 2000 years ago.

People were simply controlled by fear. Today, not everyone is controlled by fear, they simply believe because they don't understand what will happen once a person passes away.

Now, nobody knows for sure what happens once a bio organism dies, but the most logical conclusion is that we cease to think, feel and memorize. There will be nothing, no big black space, no Heaven, no Hell, no emotions, no nothing. This is a hard concept for people to comprehend, but it really isn't that bad if you think about it. You won't feel sad, lonely, or care at all when dead, because there will be no brain activity.

 

[America]

Its not a test the word "test" implies that the giver of the test is seeking the results, and an omniscient being knows all before it happens, therefore has no need to see the results of any test. Also, you shouldn't need faith for the very basic foundation of you're belief. You should know for a fact that God exists. You should, however, need faith to know that he will provide for you, keep you safe, etc. Needing to have faith that the God you're belief is based on even exists is far more extreme than it should be.

So you're saying it's fair for God not to create Earth and not to give us life? You think he should have just said, "Well, you would've been good, go on to heaven.... Well, you might've been bad, I think I'll bottle you up and send you through this neat little tube down to hell forever and all eternity.

Christianity is just another byproduct of controlling people with false threats and promises.

Seriously, it all started with some semi-literate sheep herders claiming to receive visions from divine forces. They preached Heaven and Hell. When one man asked them, "Do you have any evidence support your claims?"

Of course the sheep herder didn't have a single piece of evidence. "Only through faith thou shalt recievesolicitude in the Kingdom of Heaven!", he said, "Those whom do not have faith in Our Creator, shalt burn in the fiery pits of Hell for all eternity!"

Back then, people weren't as educated as we are today. It was the immature intellectual stage 2000 years ago.

People were simply controlled by fear. Today, not everyone is controlled by fear, they simply believe because they don't understand what will happen once a person passes away.

Now, nobody knows for sure what happens once a bio organism dies, but the most logical conclusion is that we cease to think, feel and memorize. There will be nothing, no big black space, no Heaven, no Hell, no emotions, no nothing. This is a hard concept for people to comprehend, but it really isn't that bad if you think about it. You won't feel sad, lonely, or care at all when dead, because there will be no brain activity.

Yes, quite so. Back when they didn't know the "except after C" part of the "I before E" rule.

Honestly, you ended up giving no reasons to support your opinion. You just made up a pretty little story about shepherds waddling around talking to each other.

 

[Personal Jesus]

So you're saying it's fair for God not to create Earth and not to give us life? You think he should have just said, "Well, you would've been good, go on to heaven.... Well, you might've been bad, I think I'll bottle you up and send you through this neat little tube down to hell forever and all eternity.

No, he is saying that "testing" us is redundant, because God is supposed to know everything, the past, present and future. If that's so, why would he need to test us? Wouldn't he already know who would be qualified for Heaven and who would be qualified for Hell? The Bible is full of flaws on so many levels that I literally puked in bare disgust, when my parentals forced me to go to church as a child.

Yes, quite so. Back when they didn't know the "except after C" part of the "I before E" rule.

Honestly, you ended up giving no reasons to support your opinion. You just made up a pretty little story about shepherds waddling around talking to each other.

There is a fine line between an occasional typo and atrocious grammar in general. If you read through my post, you would see that I spelled it correctly the first time. The second time was a simple typo.

I also find it humorous that you resort to something as irrelevant as grammar to fend off any threats made towards your faith.

But hey, what can you expect from someone who still believes in overexaggerated fairy tales with zero validity?

 

[TheAces]

Honesty guys I belive so much in my god taht I could care less if you flame me here, simply because I'm not going to read it, so dont try to correct me or quote me on this "Dancin Jesus" Jump off a bridge, tell me where you end up....

 

[Personal Jesus]

Honesty guys I belive so much in my god taht I could care less if you flame me here, simply because I'm not going to read it, so dont try to correct me or quote me on this "Dancin Jesus" Jump off a bridge, tell me where you end up....

That's very ignorant of you. If someone told me that they had solid evidence proving that God exist, ask to see it, then research it myself.

If it was bulletproof indeed, I'd convert and become religious with no hesitation.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Honesty guys I belive so much in my god taht I could care less if you flame me here, simply because I'm not going to read it, so dont try to correct me or quote me on this "Dancin Jesus" Jump off a bridge, tell me where you end up....

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"Faith is a cop-out. It is intellectual bankruptcy. If you can only accept a principle through faith, then you are saying that it cannot be taken on its own merits." - Dan something, former evangelist, 1992.

If your reasoning tells you something is false, why would you believe in it nonetheless?

 

[America]

That's very ignorant of you. If someone told me that they had solid evidence proving that God exist, ask to see it, then research it myself.

If it was bulletproof indeed, I'd convert and become religious with no hesitation.

That's very ignorant of you. If someone told me that they could only believe if they had proof, they have not truly converted.

 

[Personal Jesus]

That's very ignorant of you. If someone told me that they could only believe if they had proof, they have not truly converted.

Because you certainly can't believe in something which has been proven, right?

Holy shit, you suck at debating.

I also love the way you deliberately chose to ignore my other post.

 

[Looming]

Because you certainly can't believe in something which has been proven, right?

Holy shit, you suck at debating.

I also love the way you deliberately chose to ignore my other post.

You bring up valid points. There is no need to directly attack another forumer.