The Case Against the 360

[Unknown]

Move this and I shall rape you staff...
I'm watching you..
I've revmoed all references to Muffinator and whatnot.

Following the footsteps of a fellow Sythe member and world acclaimed village retar-nice guy (Muffinator), I've come to create the first real and valid case against a console. In this case, the Xbox 360.

Unlike said 'person', I shall not be basing this 'case' on biased opinions or random percentages. Instead, I shall try to be as logical and as explanatory as possible, so that even the lowest of you can fully comprehend what I say. Yes Muffinator. That was aimed directly in your general direction.

First off, the console itself. As Muffinator put it,

You know what the most important aspect of ANYTHING is? That it functions properly!!

Following his logic, the 360 is the worst off out of all the three consoles. I am referring to the Red Ring of Death. So far, the 360 has been showing the highest failure rate out of every other console ever. Though the specific percentage is not known, we do know that the 360 has a failure rate of over 30%.
This means that if you have 3 friends, and each of them buys a 360, at least one will break. This is unacceptable. Microsoft has, however, extended warranties in light of this. However, there are still reports of console replacements taking weeks on end. Sure they're fixing it for you, but in the mean time you are stuck with no console, no game, etc.

In comparison to the PS3 and Wii, failure rates have generally been below 3%. This is perfectly normal AND acceptable for any tech product. And, in this way, the 360 fails.

Please see:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gaming/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers-271487.php
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/13201/Retailers_Claim_360_Failure_Rate_Is_Over_30.html
http://www.ripten.com/2007/07/03/failure-rate-xbox-360-high-as-33-sony-ps3-less-than-1/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134144-pg,1/article.html



Now we know that even though the console itself may not be reliable, what really 'makes or breaks' it, is its game library. This is where the 360 really shines. Out of all the other consoles, the 360 has the biggest and, arguable, most varied game library. In this way, the 360 outshines all of its opponents.
We all know that what really matters in a game library are its exclusives. Now, the 360 has many top class, 'AAA' exclusives. However, being a PC gamer myself, and I assume that basically of you have a PC that can play games (albeit not at the highest settings etc.), I noticed that the majority of '360 exclusives' are being ported to the PC, if not releasing at the same time.
Let's make a list shall we?
Taken from www.gamerankings.com
I'm looking titles that have scored a 85% or more - this is not to say that anything less is bad, it's just to show the 360s top games based on the reviews.

The Orange Box
BioShock
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Gears of War
Halo 3
Mass Effect
Guitar Hero II
Virtua Fighter 5
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter
Call of Duty 2
Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
Forza Motorsport 2
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas
Burnout Revenge
Project Gotham Racing 3
The Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles
Skate
Project Gotham Racing
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2
Dead or Alive 4
Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock
Fight Night Round 3
Dead Rising
NHL 08

Forgive me for not including all the exclusives ever listed for the 360.
The titles listed in bold are those that will not appear for the PC, PS3 or any other platform.
People think that just because some games on the 360 aren't coming to the PS3 or Wii, they are 360 exclusives. This is NOT the case when taking the PC into account.
The 360 undoubtedly has some great games. It even has more completely exclusive high rated games than the PS3 or Wii.
Looking to the future though, the PS3 and Wii exclusives library will grow. These exclusives will remain solely on their respective console. The 360 on the other hand, will continue to get '360 and PC' exclusives.

Now, this is perfectly fine if you don't have a PC capable of playing any games whatsoever. In fact, I recommend you buy a 360 over the other two consoles if you do not game on the PC at all. However, if you are like me, and game on the PC as well as a console, by choosing the 360 you end up playing, for the majority, the same games.

Following this argument, XBL is an extremely good online 'service'.
The way online goes:
PC online > XBL > PSN
I'll admit that any time. However, since the majority of 360 games will also be on the PC, you might as well play the PC version of those games online seeing as PC online > XBL. The PSN can cater to its exclusives not found on the PC.



The 360 is by no means a BAD console. I feel that if you have a decent PC that can play games, the 360 for you is redundant. You'd be playing practically the same games.
The 360 is perfect for you if you do not have a PC capable of playing anything..

Thus:
PC + PS3 > 360 + PC

 

[Gemzy]

Project Gotham Racing 3, lmao.

I have that and it sucks.

Ps3 owns everything, and when socom comes out, it'll be just another fact in favor to Ps3.

 

[Quhx]

The only reason why I have a 360 is because all my freinds have Live, so I got one so we can play Gears of war. But I think I'm getting a PS3 for X-mas.

I heard that there is only about 16 games out for the PS3 so far.

 

[Gemzy]

wtf are you on Quhx lol.

Ps3 = only 16 games?

So not, lol. Xbox 360 came a year before Ps3, off course they have more games >.> But they, almost all, sucks.

Ps3 games are nice, and tbh, playing sports always been better on PS then on Xbox.

+ BluRay for Ps3 + free online, some things that xbox 360 will never have.

 

[Muffinator]

Surprisingly intelligent, considering the poster, Unknown, who I have made no reference to whatsoever, especially not just now. I will address all of Unknown's intelligent points...

First off, the console itself. As Muffinator put it,

You know what the most important aspect of ANYTHING is? That it functions properly!!

Following his logic, the 360 is the worst off out of all the three consoles. I am referring to the Red Ring of Death. So far, the 360 has been showing the highest failure rate out of every other console ever. Though the specific percentage is not known, we do know that the 360 has a failure rate of over 30%.
This means that if you have 3 friends, and each of them buys a 360, at least one will break. This is unacceptable. Microsoft has, however, extended warranties in light of this. However, there are still reports of console replacements taking weeks on end. Sure they're fixing it for you, but in the mean time you are stuck with no console, no game, etc.

In comparison to the PS3 and Wii, failure rates have generally been below 3%. This is perfectly normal AND acceptable for any tech product. And, in this way, the 360 fails.

Please see:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gaming/xbox-360-failure-rate-30-says-retailers-271487.php
http://www.gwn.com/news/story.php/id/13201/Retailers_Claim_360_Failure_Rate_Is_Over_30.html
http://www.ripten.com/2007/07/03/failure-rate-xbox-360-high-as-33-sony-ps3-less-than-1/
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134144-pg,1/article.html

This isn't 'following my logic': 360s break, they aren't broken. They work perfectly fine until and unless the Red Ring of Death comes, then they don't do anything.
And what about the other 70% that don't break? You must admit that the majority of 360s don't break, at which point you are bashing a console based on a subjective measure: Is 30% high? No, only 70% would qualify as high, and you can't refute that because "high" is subjective. I could say that the PS3 and Wii are horrible because of their obscenely high 3% failure rate.

Now we know that even though the console itself may not be reliable, what really 'makes or breaks' it, is its game library. This is where the 360 really shines. Out of all the other consoles, the 360 has the biggest and, arguable, most varied game library. In this way, the 360 outshines all of its opponents.

If you admit that the Xbox 360 has a good game library, why are you making "the case against" it??

We all know that what really matters in a game library are its exclusives. Now, the 360 has many top class, 'AAA' exclusives. However, being a PC gamer myself, and I assume that basically of you have a PC that can play games (albeit not at the highest settings etc.), I noticed that the majority of '360 exclusives' are being ported to the PC, if not releasing at the same time.

But a lot of times the PC version isn't the same game. Bioshock has a ton of DRM along with a root kit (360=no DRM, no root kit), and Halo 3 is going to have bad controls (360=good controls.)

 

[Daily]

But when it comes down to it, the decision on which console is "made for you" is based upon choice, not facts or statistics. This choice can change depending on your situation.

Personally, I have a 360, not because of failure rates or game libraries, but for the most part, the fact that I bought an almost brand new console, two controllers, and 6 games for $400.

This pleases me.

Oh, and I'm getting a Wii for christmas.

 

[dubya]

Very nice points there, Unknown.

I personally own a 360 however because of the game library and the fact that my friends own it. It can be a good time to have a nice night at home but be able to talk to and play around with your friends at the same time.

I do see many of your points though. My PC is nothing amazing, does what I need it to do, etc, and can handle most games, just not great. The failure rate concerns me at times, and I've seen a couple of my friends have to ship theirs away after getting the infamous Red Ring of Death.

I didn't feel like dishing out $600 (at the time) for a PS3, with what I viewed as a poor online system, or buying the Wii which wouldn't satisfy my wants/needs in a system. I'm happy with my choice to date.

 

[{xo JaCkpOT ox}]

online is best on the 360..ps3 cant beat it =p

 

[DarkSpark]

im pretty sure the elder scrolls games are only for pc and xbox... i really like them although the PC controls are easier


and muffinator the point he is making is that despite the fact ps3 may have less games at the moment, if you havea game capable computer you can get the majority of the games anyway... And if you don't like the controls get a patch and use a usb control that is programmed similar to the xbox if your so desperate.

 

[ryder721]

should I buy the 360 or ps3?

 

[Gemzy]

Of course Ps3 has less games, HE APPEARED A YEAR LATER! >.>

And ryder, buy a Ps3, xbox 360 costs too much for what it gives.

 

[Unknown]

This isn't 'following my logic': 360s break, they aren't broken. They work perfectly fine until and unless the Red Ring of Death comes, then they don't do anything.
And what about the other 70% that don't break? You must admit that the majority of 360s don't break, at which point you are bashing a console based on a subjective measure: Is 30% high? No, only 70% would qualify as high, and you can't refute that because "high" is subjective. I could say that the PS3 and Wii are horrible because of their obscenely high 3% failure rate.

No, a 30% failure rate IS high in regards to any other tech product on the market. Obviously the majority of 360s don't break, but that's not the point. Failure rates for any product should not be that high.

If you admit that the Xbox 360 has a good game library, why are you making "the case against" it??

Because you don't have to make a case against something that's 100% bad. Nothing is 100% bad.

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But a lot of times the PC version isn't the same game. Bioshock has a ton of DRM along with a root kit (360=no DRM, no root kit), and Halo 3 is going to have bad controls (360=good controls.)[/QUOTE]

360 controllers work on the PC and can play games on it - thus your bad control argument is moot. Bioshock may have DRM and rootkit but it's still the same game -.-

 

[ownﺉ]

This isn't 'following my logic': 360s break, they aren't broken. They work perfectly fine until and unless the Red Ring of Death comes, then they don't do anything.
And what about the other 70% that don't break? You must admit that the majority of 360s don't break, at which point you are bashing a console based on a subjective measure: Is 30% high? No, only 70% would qualify as high, and you can't refute that because "high" is subjective. I could say that the PS3 and Wii are horrible because of their obscenely high 3% failure rate.

30% isnt much? Yes it is, i wouldnt like to buy a console and already know, that the chance of breaking is 30%

 

[Swan]

Yes Muffinator, 30% is damn high. Thats almost a third. 1 in 3. If it went up by a figure you also would consider to be "low", say 20 percent, thats half, which is 1 in 2 consoles that would break, and you're telling us that 30 percent isn't high ...

Great points Unknown. I own Oblivion and Shivering Isles on my PC, and I must say, the console version has cut it down dramatically. When I played the console version with my mate, I tried to do several quests that just weren't there ...

PC Online > XBL. You pay for an internet connection fee, and no pointless subscription on top (unless you play official WoW, FF Online etc >_>). I wholeheartedly agree that with a PC such as mine, I find no need to buy a console. What really gets me ticking about consoles is you can't just upgrade them like a normal PC. When a new "version" or release candidate of the same console comes out, you gotta buy it again. When a new console comes out, you gotta buy it and the other new-gen consoles if you wish to play all of their games.

Also, I must stress - PC controls are much better than fucking analog ...