Sythe Premium / VIP

Wonderland · Jul 25, 2016

Boney said:
Reasons to oppose:
-We have a Donor lounge no need for a VIP "Only" section? Why donate for "donor lounge" if you can get VIP "only" or vice versa

-Shorter Bump times? - Cool I suppose but doesn't that just increase spam.... Saying "He can spam more often because we were paid" doesn't seem reasonable for a "free" and open market even at 7 hours wouldn't be that bad but it starts there and gives a bad message.

-Auto Bump Timer - Everyone seems to agree this would be a nice feature, maybe sell it on it's own or give to a higher donor perk... either way no reason to have to be labeled as "VIP" to get it

-Title - SVU was gotten rid of because "verified user" added a level of trust to people and was a false one that lead to scammers taking advantage. Having "Very important person" does just that as well. Even if you say "oh well at least people aren't abusing phone numbers to get it" Then that just means the title of "VERY IMPORTANT PERSON" is just a copy of donor titles and another way of stating you donate and it's just on a monthly basis.

- As for Monthly cost- You say it's because people are "selfish" they oppose this because they feel entitled to perks for their previous donations and wouldn't want to pay more. It's not even that for most it's the fact you are taking a market that has been known and loved for being FREE to use and starting to turn it into a PAID only service. People should have some benefits for supporting a place that makes them money but it shouldn't turn into a paid only service.

As I said before it's optional to show support and no one is forced to donate/buy VIP ever but to start giving people things like "shorter bump times" or "special market titles". Might as well start selling "sticky post for top" or color thread titles... It just seems to take away from something great that was already set up. If you really wanted you could charge people to make a listing on the selling market threads. People should donate because they like the community and want to give back not because it has become the only way to establish a reputation and make a sale.

You aren't opposing the idea of the rank, only the proposed perks by Sythe.

kmjt · Jul 25, 2016

From what I understand higher donators don't get all of the cool features that "vip" would get? If that is the case kind of makes donators feel underappreciated. Assuming higher donators don't get some of the vip perks (correct me if i'm wrong), it is kind of silly for some of the $1000 donators to have to now purchase vip just to get the perks when they already donated so much and should be treated as royalty as is. If I was a $1000 donator I would now feel like i'm just getting milked for money. Personally I would prefer a revamped donation platform instead of adding in a completely different vip platform to go along with the already existing donation platform. I'm sure if these features were added into the donation perks more people would donate.

Boney · Jul 25, 2016

Kiro said:
You aren't opposing the idea of the rank, only the proposed perks by Sythe.

Yes, I'm opposing the rank because the rank because even without all the perks it would just be a copy of a "donor" title but just stated as "Very Important Person" because it's earned by paying on a monthly basis instead of a 1-time donation..... Without perks it just seems pointless and redundant ...

Kyle · Jul 25, 2016

Add My Msn said:
No early bumping, this is a free market so big companies shouldn't have an edge over normal people.

Big companies already have a massive advantage over everyone else. Go look at how often Bogla's thread gets bumped from people buying and selling gold.

Zuzel111 said:
I dont think advertising URLs without donation should be allowed, on all other forums it's allowed upon being sponsor or having stickied threads (where they can be bought)

I support this as a $300 Donator option. Just as we saw with The red monster advertising a website here that is just set to scam but due to the fact it's a website people think they can trust.

Buyacc said:
Add a dicing system to the forum itself and charge 5% commision. Boom, more traffic + money.

Could run into a lot of legal issues with this one.

Sephiroth · Jul 25, 2016

@Kiro your use of the term "selfish" was probably not the best choice of words. It kind of comes off mean and distatsteful to normal users here. As you can plainly see, a lot of people here disapprove of the whole idea and you seem to be the only one defending it.

The point that we are trying to make here is that Sythe, at its core, has ALWAYS been a free platform to sell your virtual goods and it should STAY that way. People donate to give back to the community as a way of saying thank you. I believe that implementing a system such as VIP would hurt the community in the long run. How? Well like one person said above me, donors who have donated hundreds of dollars would feel milked at that point. Also, you would definitely have a separation between regular users and "VIP" users. Third, it just wouldn't be worth it. Fourth, the listed perks are really not all that useful

Lastly @Kiro, and I don't know WHY you keep combating this, the VIP rank would MOST DEFINITELY be looked at as a sign of respect no matter which way you slice it. Every long term user here thats been here over a year would agree that new members would see "VIP" and think it would be safer to trade with them versus the alternative.

Wonderland · Jul 25, 2016

Boney said:
Yes, I'm opposing the rank because the rank because even without all the perks it would just be a copy of a "donor" title but just stated as "Very Important Person" because it's earned by paying on a monthly basis instead of a 1-time donation..... Without perks it just seems pointless and redundant ...

The purpose of it is to support the site, just as is donating. Perks are given to add incentive for acquisition. The perks last as long as the subscription. I don't see how it disparages or comes off as more important than regularly donating. When you donate, the perks are permanent. Perhaps "sponsor" is a better term than VIP.

Sephiroth878 said:
your use of the term "selfish" was probably not the best choice of words. It kind of comes off mean and distatsteful to normal users here. As you can plainly see, a lot of people here disapprove of the whole idea and you seem to be the only one defending it.

Who are normal users? Non staff? Non Donors?

A lot of people on this thread do disapprove of the rank. Here is the list of reasons I picked up:

- It's a carbon copy of the donor rank with an asterisk to it.

Sponsoring and donating are synonymous, yes. It's not a copy in the sense that it's not a one time payment and perks are not permanent.

- It disparages current donors.

In what way? Perks aren't permanent.

- It's not fair to current donors.

There has to be perks to incentive subscribing otherwise the probability of users buying into it drops significantly.

- Adding "another" fun rank is a bad idea.

It's not a fun rank, nor was SVU.

- Only big businesses could afford it.

Not true.

- It gives an edge in the market.

As it stands, the only proposal given that would give an edge is a decrease in waiting between bumps. With the current proposal, you'd still only be able to bump 3 times per day.

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Me calling users selfish is not mean or distasteful. I see users looking at how it would benefit them, then basing their opinions from there. If your argument is that I'm wrong because I'm the only person defending the rank, then doesn't that make me selfless? I'm thinking of how it would support the site while still maintaining a favorable balance.