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  1. Unread #1 - Nov 9, 2020 at 8:27 AM
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    At the moment, Sythe.org isn't verified with Brave to receive Monthly BAT contributions.

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    Would be cool to give back in more than just regular donations to keep the community growing.

    Could also introduce a new minirank for those who support Sythe via BAT/ Brave.
     
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    Do you mind educating those (myself included) who are not familiar on what Brave/BAT is?
     
  5. Unread #3 - Nov 9, 2020 at 5:25 PM
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    I could be wrong, but doesn't Brave try to forcefully hide your IP? like it also has a built in VPN that is enabled by default i think.
    It's a good idea as long as it does not get in the way of hiding users intial sign up IP's (Being home / static IP's)
     
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    Whilst site management clearly disagree, open and free markets will always be better. Scammers still exist here even though they're fucking nazis about IP's etc, blows my mind they don't just let it be an open marketplace.
     
  11. Unread #6 - Nov 10, 2020 at 9:09 AM
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    Yeah, I mean fuck it, let's take no precautions against scammers and if you get scammed... Well, tough luck.

    There is no true free market. Markets need regulation of some sort to enforce contract obligation. Do you think goodwill and faith will prevent someone from making off with thousands if possible? Lassiez faire is a myth perpetrated by old money seeking to consolidate more fortune and twerps who want to use Bitcoin to buy party drugs.
     
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    I mean sure but I doubt anything would happen in this regard. I've heard about Brave once or twice, but I doubt it's important enough to be worthy of Richard's valuable time.
     
  15. Unread #8 - Nov 10, 2020 at 11:49 AM
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    Brave is getting more and more popular, and no, it doesn't have an inbuilt VPN (you may be confusing it with Tor).

    I use it myself both on mobile and on PC, would be really nice if Sythe became verified. (Only takes a few minutes, both the registration and the cashing out)

    Don't want to shill it too much, but it's really awesome and it would be great if the Sythe Admins added support for donating with it.
     
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  17. Unread #9 - Nov 11, 2020 at 7:36 AM
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    Your comment is even more mind boggling. Which so-called truly FREE successful marketplace out there, be it physical or virtual DOESNT have enforcement AT ALL?

    Oh sure, lets not enforce ips. Lets allow scammers who cleared users of thousands of dollars to happily create a new account on a spoofed IP and get away with it amiright? Check home ips? Nahhh. Why hinder scammers? Zero effort needed ;)
     
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  19. Unread #10 - Nov 11, 2020 at 8:18 AM
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    Enforcement can exist in a open market you fuckin goof.

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  21. Unread #11 - Nov 11, 2020 at 12:38 PM
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    Enforcement IS what you claim is IP NAZI'SM, dumb fuck. Goddamn, how did you age this badly with half a brain?

    "Enforcement can exist on Sythe"

    ^Is DNT'd for lying to clients

    "Scammers still exist but I feel we should remove Ip ENFORCEMENT on Sythe and make it more FREE. Never mind that'll increase scammers on Sythe TENFOLD!"

    Your stupidity's making my brain crash, mate.

    Go on, try to explain with some decent english how enforcement in your lovely little 'brain' in a 'OPEN' market works on SYTHE WITHOUT IP ENFORCEMENT. Oh wait. You're DNT'd. No wonder you fight for ban evasion to be allowed!
     
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  23. Unread #12 - Nov 14, 2020 at 3:01 AM
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    I don't think that restricting the use of VPNs or IPs is a good method of enforcement. There are good reasons for standard users to not want to expose their standard IP for security reasons. If a scammer comes back to the site after being banned, they would then have to build up reputation and posts all over again, which takes a lot more effort than finding a different residential proxy. I see IP restriction as just something that would effect the privacy of real users but do little do stop scammers

    But as far as BAT donations I definitely think it is a good idea.
     
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  25. Unread #13 - Nov 14, 2020 at 3:55 AM
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    Unfortunately, all manner of stats usable from this site goes against your entire argument.

    "Restricting the use of IPs and VPNs is not a good method of enforcement" and yet, we have ban evaders left and right who'll stop at nothing to scam, recreate, and repeat.

    Your argument that a user 'needs to build up a rep' is moot. Just take a look at the RAS. How many scammers there are actual established users? Barely any. Most joined in the last few mths or within the same year alone, and most are infact serial ban evaders. Many users, esp the new ones are unfortunately, dumbasses. You see scam reports where ban evaders are happily running off with hundreds of mils of OSRS after recreating a new acc for barely weeks.

    So whats your plan? Remove this enforcement? Are you willing to vouch that NO ONE is gonna ban evade? Or what, lets make the situation worse than it already is and open up the floodgates?

    I'm sure Chris Kane and Qemo will thank you happily eh?
     
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  27. Unread #14 - Nov 14, 2020 at 5:17 AM
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    Yes I would be for removing that enforcement, I think such an enforcement is easily bypassed with residential proxies and it punishes legitimate users who may want to use a VPN who are not involved in any scamming. I think that regardless of the system there's always going to be people who try to come back and scam, but it still makes it much harder for them to find people to trade if they have to start from the beginning.

    What would be best to prevent scams is to encourage use of middleman, PMs on the site, and caution with trading newer users. I think the point you made that there are serial ban evaders even with this system shows that it's not really preventing them from coming back but could be punishing legitimate users for no other reason than they might want to use a VPN or proxy.

    Also when there's stresser tools and network attack tools available there are good reasons for people to have to not want to make their IP available. In communities like this DDOS attacks on forums or individual users have been quite common.

    There's also the fact that looking at IPs purely to prevent scammers can lead to many false positives because there are locations at universities or other areas which may be frequented by many different users. Overall I don't think making people register from a non-VPN is a good way to prevent scams.
     
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  29. Unread #15 - Nov 14, 2020 at 5:24 AM
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    Quote me a case of users here being banned for false positive match. Go on. And prove to me its rampant since you claim its a major issue. I find it even more laughable a recent 2020 joiner like you is advocating letting ban evasion be legalised ROFL

    "ddos attacks have been quite common." I didnt know cloudflare ever went down even in this year. Prove it.

    Let me basically summarise what you've said for all to see then:

    People are still gonna rape so lets just legalise rape and NOT prosecute them.

    See how stupid your statement sounds now? Even DESPITE Sythe enforcing such strict IP checks on everyone, so many are still determined to evade. And you wanna remove these enforcements with basically ZERO replacement to combat ban evasion? EVERYTHING you mentioned to combar scamming is already being done. Nothing you mentioned is even remotely new, so you're suggesting we basically open the door to ban evasion with NO protection. Are you Chris Kane in disguise? ;)

    Scammed by God of RSGP --scammed for thousands by a dude that joined 25 Oct 2020. You were saying smth bout reputation?
     
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  31. Unread #16 - Nov 14, 2020 at 12:56 PM
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    I did not advocate for ban evasion to be legalized. My point is that simply using a VPN or proxy to register doesn't make someone a scammer or ban evader and can lead to an attitude of paranoia. My problem with such a restriction is that there are legitimate reasons for people to register through a VPN such as not wanting there ISP to see what they are browsing for example being in restrictive countries or just valuing privacy especially in the age of NSA spying. On these types of forums high levels of security are often encouraged and to me that doesn't fit right with not being able to register on a VPN.

    And in the examples you pointed out of people who did scam it seems that they weren't caught by the IP but until they were caught in the actual act of scamming, which scamming is already against the rules. And I'm sorry that you lost money and new users can definitely scam, but with reputation that thousands they scammed could potentially be many thousands more and them having to register again is definitely a barrier to being more effective.
     
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    Hey, I feel like this discussion is going somewhere very different and completely unrelated to Brave and BAT. In case you were still unaware, Brave does NOT hide/falsify your IP address, the privacy features it has are all to do with blocking trackers, popups and things like that, NOT your IP address.

    All clear?
     
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    Hey, yeah things got a little out of hand which us also why i stopped replying this nutcase's nonsense. Support for this suggestion, from what i read online it seems to be a safe new revenue stream i'm sure Sythe could always benefit from.

    @Claire Lovely feel free to post your own suggestion on legalising ban evasion and i'll happily hop in to roast you ;)
     
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    I didn't call for legalizing ban evasion, I just disagreed with an IP policy that could compromise the privacy of legitimate users.

    I support Brave browser as well and it is actually a privacy based solution that offers people freedom from tracking cookies and fingerprinting. In a similar way that a VPN or proxy can help. We are in the age where there are many organizations like the NSA and ISPs who can track everything you browse and some people may not want those organizations or other users to be able to see that kind of information.

    Through tracking cookies websites can know what other sites you've visited and Brave can prevent this. It also has the option to open a new Onion tab.

    If we restrict technology that can help people because it can be used by scammers then I don't think we will see much progress. I think that if you support this type of privacy-based technology than you could understand how people may also see VPNs or proxies as a useful tool.
     
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    Why not just directly donate to sythe.org?
     
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