[SYTHE / N4N0] Decision on restitutions please

Hi Richard,

I was just informed that even though I specifically asked about this before my pardon, and then was pardoned for it, I am still expected to pay the restitution to N4n0 of $250 or can face being banned on Sythe, again. I would like to ask for this to be re-considered as I do not find that anything I did resulted in $250 worth of damages to N4n0. I was not involved in the hacking or the sharing outside of the chat, merely in the discussion.

This is getting a bit ridiculous with this restitution. Why did no one have to pay it before you did the carousel results? Why was it placed all of a sudden at that time? Why was I successfully pardoned without having to pay it?

I will not be paying my restitution. I tried to fight it, and I thought that's exactly what my pardon was for. If I am forced to pay it by either N4n0 or yourself, then I will unfortunately just have to accept the ban, though that is not what I want.

I feel that N4n0 is using this against me and it almost seems like blackmail ("we can settle your debt in private" and "I'll think about dropping it, not sure yet"). I was obviously unbanned for a reason, and was successfully pardoned, so why is this still being held against me?

I know you support double jeopardy in real life, why not on here as well? As a matter of fact... In real life if you are pardoned for a crime or found not guilty, must you still pay the restitution?

Pardons are also not allowed to be conditional per the pardon rules (unless you are overruling them - which obviously is up to you). I am currently being given the condition of an unban only if I pay now.

Please re-consider this restitution on any of us - we were not responsible for the leaking of his images.

Note that the topic was brought up by Ryan as I was talking to him about completely unrelated things (a normal conversation).

 

I agree this is a ridiculous situation, he was told he was allowed to pardon and have it accepted without paying the arbitrary $ amount in restitution. He's jumped through hoops to get unbanned, and it should stay that way. If you have a problem with that tell off your staff..

N4N0 is just fucking money hungry "ooh its all up to richard" and then basically begging for the money.

 

Though Richard never gave his final input when you asked him before you made your pardon, you were pardoned for which you were cleared of all your wrongdoings...

You shouldn't have to pay.

 

You need to have paid all restitution before you can be pardoned. In my pardon I specifically said it had to be cleared with Richard before I was unbanned. I was pardoned anyway, giving me the assumption that I was cleared of all wrongdoing and no longer had to pay a restitution.

 

pay him or your ass is grass homie, real talk

shouldnt be like it is, but it do

 

Did Richard post his response on your pardon? Seeing as though the mods, globals, Roary and N4n0 messaged Richard. Did that response from Richard get added to the thread of your pardon prior to you getting unbanned?

The restitution/carousel was Richard's idea, not N4N0's.

 

No he didn't. I was hoping he'd get to it in the USL - I have no idea what his take on it is.

 

I actually decided to block him after this because I don't generally trust him much. I doubt he will be forgiving me after making this thread.

I do not owe him a thing. All I did was discuss in a chat and invite people to it - I did no harm to him, nor did I cause any damage.

I was only pardoned BECAUSE every other staff member seemed to agree that I don't owe him. If it were not for that, I would still be banned.

 

I would rather if you made a judgement as I respect your decision much more than his. I would like it if you could consult with other staff though to get the entire picture, not just what he wants to share. As I said, I was unbanned for a reason - the majority clearly thinks I'm innocent and/or believe I don't owe him.

 

Yes. It was a big Skype chat and I invited 2 people in I think (one of them being the moderator that reported us all to n4n0).

 

Discussing and having a laugh about the pictures, while of poor taste, is a very minor ripple in the giant tidal wave of shit that enveloped Ryan. In this instance majority of the users were in this situation and did not do anything further. What is occurring here is collective punishment since practically nothing you do will actually affect those who are truly to blame for the misdemeanors. Instead of interpreting the severity of each individual's involvement, a blanket punishment is given to everyone which is definitely unfair. Remember, in a court case an accomplice does not receive as harsh a punishment as the murderer themselves. The same principle should be applied here. An hour or more of giggling over some pictures should not translate to $250 USD.

 

I'm not sure if you're able to do a judgement on it and decide if I owe him or not, but we'll see.

Inquiry about Pardon: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-ban-twc/1715182-sythe-n4n0-question-about-my-pardon.html
Failed Pardon #1: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-archive/1664457-dialatic-pardoning-trin-incident.html
Failed Pardon #2: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-...sideration-pardon-december-31st-incident.html
Successful Pardon: http://www.sythe.org/dispute-forum-archive/1717571-dialatic-requesting-pardon-trin-incident.html

The staff lounge would also have the chat logs from the incident I assume.

 

This is absolutely disgusting and shows just how money hungry the administration is. It is clear that n4n0 agreed there was no need to pay $250 and now he's going back on that after he realizes he could've made a quick buck.

 

No I did not. I may have re-linked once or twice in the chat that already had the links posted hundreds of times, but I never posted them on any forum or in any chat other than that.

 

I don't think Dialatic should have to pay if the majority of the staff supported his pardon and agreed to let him back. (I believe his pardon process was before I was promoted).

If monetary compensation is a must prior to pardon/restitution (I'm against it completely), then it should for those that were the cause and instigating factor of said issues. I.e, those that hacked the emails/uploaded and distrusted the images on different sites/sent them to n4n0s family etc. I personally wouldn't unban those users regardless of monetary compensation anyway. AFAIK, none of those users were Sythe users anyway.

 

Everything I said is 100% true and can be verified through Roary (who probably knows the chat logs off by heart at this point).

I respect your decision, thank you.