Staking Glitches Allowed Now?

[SuF]

I understand where you are coming from, and I see how you could make that point, but I still disagree on the point of staking glitches, and all other pvp glitches, being equated to luring and not scamming.

In a lure, you have to talk me into doing something of my own free will. In the end, it is my fault that I fell for a lure. I may have been naive or let greed cloud my judgement when I followed you into a dangerous clan wars area in the hopes of you giving me some gold, but that is my fault.

With a staking glitch, take for example the glitches that allowed you to heal with no healing options turned on, there is no way for a player to defend or counter that, especially when the glitch is first discovered. I understand that you call this an in-game mechanic, and that they are just taking your in-game pixels. This is what the entire argument hinges on. But, when those pixels are going to be sold here on Sythe, they represent real money to me. The potential for real money is being taken from a player with no way to defend against it.

Perhaps you are right though, and the solution is for players not to engage in pvp if they don't want to be "scammed" in-game, as I would call it. Maybe this is an issue that Jagex needs to address, and not Sythe. If the rule makers of this site don't see that as scamming, then that is their decision, and they have grounds to think that. But, I will always take the stance that scamming players in game like this is no different than scamming someone on this site (by my definition of scamming). Just because it doesn't occur here shouldn't make it OK. That is just my opinion.


EDIT: I realize that we have different definitions of scamming, and mine may not be consistent with what should be allowed on a site such as this. If exploiting flaws in Jagex's game to directly take money from other users that have no way to defend against it isn't scamming, then it isn't scamming. This just needs to be made more clear here, and it looks like that is being worked on.

I agree that any rules should be made perfectly clear so that there is no confusion.

 

[xkwiptwendl]

It is a way to cheat the game to your advantage, causing other players to be disadvantaged. This is dishonest, AND it is a scam.

Botting is a way to cheat the game to your advantage, and it causes other players to be disadvantaged as well. Botting is dishonest, and that in itself makes it a scam.

Yes you might argue that there are key differences between the two, but the ultimate result is the same - it affects other players, increases to the game decline, and gives one (or many) players unfair advantages over others.

 

[Eternity Gaming]

Mm, well I guess we'll see how it goes. It would be pretty messed up if all of Sythe's users were at duel arena bugging out on every stake.

 

[Clashfan]

I don't see how a staking glitches are different from any other sort of in-game scamming

 

[falcon333]

:S yea id buy this glitch lol

 

[Herman Li]

This is the exact same thing as scamming. Wtf has Sythe become?

 

[Lone Wolfâ„¢]

Lets get a "test-run" for keylogging and hacking now since "everybody is doing it anyway"

 

[Emperor Nero]

If we condone staking glitches can we condone accoutn recovering? I mean it is a mechanic that can easily be abused, why isn't it allowed?

 

[SuF]

I don't see how a staking glitches are different from any other sort of in-game scamming

This is the exact same thing as scamming. Wtf has Sythe become?

No its not. Its utilizing a game mechanic that anyone can utilize to gain an advantage in a competition. That is not scamming.

Lets get a "test-run" for keylogging and hacking now since "everybody is doing it anyway"

That's not a very good argument for this or that.

If we condone staking glitches can we condone accoutn recovering? I mean it is a mechanic that can easily be abused, why isn't it allowed?

Account recovering is stealing the login info for an account. That's nothing like gaining an advantage in a competition.

 

[Lone Wolfâ„¢]

No its not. Its utilizing a game mechanic that anyone can utilize to gain an advantage in a competition. That is not scamming.
Account recovering is stealing the login info for an account. That's nothing like gaining an advantage in a competition.

Then why not sell account recovery guides, its a runescape web mechanic that anyone can utilize to gain an advantage and recover an account.

What are you stealing? The information is publicly available.

So what you're saying is that if it relates to cheating in a competition then its alright .

 

[Emperor Nero]

So if I found a glitch in let's say the place where sythe holds the poker tournament and I glitch it, that will be okay? Using your logic I am just gaining an advantageous edge in competition. I am not trying to argue with you SuF, because I like you, I am just showing you the possible ways to twist that turn of phrase.

 

[SuF]

Then why not sell account recovery guides, its a runescape web mechanic that anyone can utilize to gain an advantage and recover an account.

What are you stealing? The information is publicly available.

So what you're saying is that if it relates to cheating in a competition then its alright .

People used to post recovery guides (for inactive level 3 accounts for the name) and no one cared. Obviously we didn't want people stealing other people's accounts that they actually used. Staking is much different than account recovering though and cheating isn't something people at Sythe should care about. It's still a cheating website for god sake.

So if I found a glitch in let's say the place where sythe holds the poker tournament and I glitch it, that will be okay? Using your logic I am just gaining an advantageous edge in competition. I am not trying to argue with you SuF, because I like you, I am just showing you the possible ways to twist that turn of phrase.

True, but Sythe can actually control that and we don't want people winning our competition by cheating since we want to determine a winner. That doesn't mean we shouldn't support cheating in other games.

 

[ifh]

Stake glitching = scamming
Sythe dislikes scamming
Sythe likes stake glitching
Mind=blown

 

[SuF]

Stake glitching = scamming
Sythe dislikes scamming
Sythe likes stake glitching
Mind=blown

I really don't see how you can scam someone when you are not trading with them.

 

[KerokeroCola]

Then why not sell account recovery guides, its a runescape web mechanic that anyone can utilize to gain an advantage and recover an account.

What are you stealing? The information is publicly available.

So what you're saying is that if it relates to cheating in a competition then its alright .

Jagex already reset the names of all the inactive accounts with rare names. There's no reason to recover these inactive accounts anymore. The only reason for such a guide is for mal intent.

 

[Rsaccounttrader]

I really don't see how you can scam someone when you are not trading with them.

It's technically robbery of virtual goods, not scamming of them.

 

[Emperor Nero]

It's technically robbery of virtual goods, not scamming of them.

I think robbery falls under same umbrella as scamming.

But I am glad you see my point SuF.

 

[Herman Li]

I really don't see how you can scam someone when you are not trading with them.

I want a fair stake. We set the rules up for a fair stake, 50m vs 50m boxing.

He glitches making it unfair

Clearly a scam.......

 

[Lone Wolfâ„¢]

Jagex already reset the names of all the inactive accounts with rare names. There's no reason to recover these inactive accounts anymore. The only reason for such a guide is for mal intent.

My quote was aimed at Sufs response "Account recovering is stealing the login info for an account" when in recovering accounts you do not STEAL any information and people recover accounts for their good stats and possible rares, not just the names.

 

[TheJCDaly]

I want you to explain how this would be any different than buying gp, or botting. (both promoted on this forum) You are deliberately breaking Jagex Rules to gain an advantage on other players. You are not neccesiraly breaking any laws (irl). This is how this differs from scamming, scamming is illegal by law, not just looked down upon, however i find it hard to wrap my head around the US Marshalls breaking down your door because you xlogged on a duel. :/