Socialism is synonymous with Oligarchism / Totalitarianism

I liek getting protected from people who would seek to destroy my way of life through my taxes. Its better than me being there doing it myself. And by way of life i dont just mean terrorism, i mean the criminal whos coming into my house with his unregulated gun and shooting me in the head. I mean the businessman who would cheat me. I mean the sicko who wants to rape my 5 year old cousin.

If you're arrogant enough to believe you could take care of your own problems and the problems of others in exchange for lower prices, go ahead. But I hope the government saves you in the middle of the fucking wilderness with no food, because its not my job to do so.

Honestly, i take this as a personal insult. I feel an intense sense of pride for belonging to the country I live in, and the belonging to the heritarge of my ancestor's countries.

 

Sythe you just had to make me do this, I was born and lived the first 14 years of my life in a country, that country is called South Africa, Africa as you know isn't the best place to be in. The Kongo or the westerns call it the Congo, doesn't have much of a government, they do have a free market, You kill the shop owner and rape his 12 year old daughter ever thing in his shop is free. You now really like that boys shoes, why you don't have shoes, just kill him and take it. thats free right? Wheres the government, they are fighting a war, against people who want to be the government or remove the government. Almost every year, a new government is formed in the bush only to be taken down by it's own people. this fear of being removed makes people corrupt, not power. there are some places where rival gangs rule where you raise your family, where you work. it's not a sable platform to be on. they will most likely be killed or if their lucky only lose their hands. this government that "controls" the country says were going to have an election, the rival gangs go in to a village and eather kill everyone or cut off their hands so they can't vote. now i lived in South Africa far from this. but it did happen every once and a while. and there was a lot of crime, of people stealing stuff that was rightfully owned. DON'T FOR ONE SECOND THINK YOU CAN SURVIVE WITH OUT A GOVERNMENT THAT HAS THE RIGHT INTENTIONS FOR THE PEOPLE.

 

If that were the majority case there would be no police.


And I didnt say anything about illegal gun, i said unregulated gun.

I have blonde hair and blue eyes that indentify me, the land of my ancestor's sits bestride icy oceans and dark forests. Its worth hoping i have a great...greatgrandfather who helped sack england and an even older one who sacked rome. i wear a mjolnir around my neck and listen to folk metal. If you're sense of loneliness has led you to spurn those who aren't, leave me out of it.

 

How does one create respect and discipline without using fear, or propaganda?

 

Who will pay for this basic education? Surely not the government.

Surely not. Is there a man so benevolent to do this?

 

Oh yes because answering any point with a modern political meme sarcastically is a valid form of debate? of course.

Maybe to you and others who rate everything on money. Y'all would have us believe that you're all realists who, unlike others understand the real power and truth in the world, when in reality its you who would reduce us down to our most unappetizing, though necesarry aspects. fuck money. its necesary. but real happiness is free. real success is free. certainly made easier by money. but they arent impossible without it.

 

Meh, this won't go anywhere, because of the difference of essential premise -
collectivism and individualism.

In a group
Individualistic - The strongest will survive
Collectivist - The most influential group will survive.

In other words, 10 collectivists will have more power that 10 individualists, unless those 10 individualists are that much more capable.

Every radical economic system will fail

Communism - Anarchy (without centralization), lack of motivation, and unbalanced power (with centralization)(

Capitalism - Monopoly, deregulation, the growth of negative externalities

Libertarianism - Anarchy without regulation, excessive freedom gives the bad nuts leeway.

Totalitarianism - Loss of individual civil liberty, and thus rebellion.

Thus, all economic systems fall somewhere in the middle. Advocating for one, then pointing the radical of the other, will NOT yield an effective debate.

 

My guess is that you are upper/middle class. You hate taxes.

An issue is that (as stated by Zinn), those of "mean and vile condition" (lower class), have immense power in society, like it or not.

 

Don't pay your taxes then.

- on a further note, altruism is not the complete load of bullshit that Sythe suggests. It is biologically sensible, though humanity digresses from the greater good of the species through "free-will".

 

Word.

I was sort of playing devil's advocate, as by and large, I agree with you.

I was unsure how to answer the question I asked, though.

 

If I didn't care, why would I be in this debate?

I can tell you where jobs DON'T come from... radical individualism...