Smoking breaks should not be given.

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Smoking breaks should not be given.
  1. Unread #61 - Jan 2, 2010 at 12:54 PM
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    however all in all it's the company's decision,and could you list some who give 'extra breaks' for smoking
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Yeshhh I support this, Because they can just deal with not smoking. Gawd.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    13 year old flame thread?

    Listen after reading the last remark you made towards me i can now understand that you have no idea what i was trying to convey to you. People think it's GOOD, so what you might think is GOOD i could say is WRONG. Is that gonna change your opinion? It might, but it doesn't mean you think it's wrong.

    Same thing with the homosexuality (again have nothing against them) YOU might think that it's GOOD, I MYSELF might think that it's BAD, so what's good for some people isn't always going to be good for someone else.

    Are you starting to understand what i'm trying to say now? It's all choice and in the end breaks down into peoples morality. I might Think killing people is good, maybe i find no wrong in it. You might say that it's wrong, what i'm doing is wrong. Who are you to say it's wrong? I think it's right.

    Now you can get down to the argument and try to prove to me why it's wrong, but the fact is there are going to be more people like that out there and more people to back it up, so IN OPINION you haave NO right to say something is right and wrong, you could only FAIRLY say that you personally don't like it, but not say it's WRONG.

    I capitalized some words for you key words. If you don't understand what i'm trying to say this time well then i am in the wrong room. This is intellectual conversation, not shoot someones opinion down because they want to maintain the "I'm right status"
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Perhaps I'd endorse your view if the smokers were government-paid laborers. However, if we assume that you are referring to privately-paid laborers, it is surely the choice of the business' owner as to whether the workers are given smoking breaks.
     
  9. Unread #65 - Jan 3, 2010 at 2:04 AM
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Look, smoking does you no good and it is not a neccesity. There are thousands of different methods to stop smoking which shows that once addicted most people in fact don't like it. This is impossible for you to argue with me because its a fact. It kills you. Not to mention that wasn't the point of this thread..

    But shouldnt the non smokers be given the same brakes then?
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    This is just simple minded prejudice against a minority.

    Further, your argument is made from the basis of statistics. So, anything that kills some people out of a population, from a statistical basis, can be substituted into your argument in place of smoking.

    Driving kills you, it is not 'necessary', therefore by your argument it should be outlawed.
    Eating icecream kills you, it is not 'necessary', therefore by your argument it should be outlawed.
    Working a high stress job kills you, it is not 'necessary', therefore by your argument it should be outlawed.
    Living in a poor neighbourhood kills you, it is not 'necessary', therefore by your argument it should be outlawed.
    Having kids kills you, it is not 'necessary', therefore by your argument it should be outlawed.

    The logical conclusion of your argument is that people should live in a primitivist communist society.

    And all this because you have butt hurt over some of your co-workers getting 20 minutes more break time than you. Grow up.
     
  13. Unread #67 - Jan 3, 2010 at 2:54 AM
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Lol your stupidity shocks me. Driving kills you? The driver kills you. Icecream doesnt kill you on the level of smoking. Nor did i say it should be outlawed. Get your facts straight. Stress does not kill you. If your poor, it is necessary, and once again the neighborhood doesn't kill you the people in it do. Having kids is natural. These arguments are so abstracts and I see how your trying to make a point but its not working.

    You sound like a libral piece of crap so I'm assuming you're against guns (correct me if I'm wrong) So your above statement is completely for keeping guns legal. Good job.

    Once again, this thread isn't about making smoking legal, the thread is about discriminating smokers vs non smokers.

    Complaining over 20 minutes less of break? Trust me people kill for less. Plus it adds up. $40 per hour, thats $13 for free during that break. 13*5 = 65. 65*56 = $3640. That is also 91 hours per year for a normal job. 91/8 = over 11 days break. Just saying.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    No YOUR stupidity amazes me even though it was directed towards Sythe. You say it does nothing good for you even though i gave you point. It DOES good for me. It IS stress relieving!

    So yes it does good.

    BUT HEY! I keep forgetting that you're obviously the superior intellect on these forums, you're a immovable metaphorical wall that nothing can get through.

    You're obviously an idiot, you are to stubborn to see anyone elses side. You are one of THE most closed minded people i've talked to. Quit acting like a jackass.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    The fallacy you are invoking is equivocation regarding the term 'kills'.
    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/equivoqu.html

    Earlier you defined it as a statistical likelihood of contributing to death; in which case all of the statements I made are true. Now you define it as individual case by case death, in which case smoking does not kill you.

    Either way your position is inconsistent. Either take your arguments to their logical conclusions or retract them.

    And this is what I mean by butt hurt.

    Although it is of no relevance to the inconsistencies in your argument (the topic of debate); for the record I am completely in support of 100% unregulated gun ownership and production -- and most probably not for any of the same reasons you would support gun ownership.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    it's not your decision to make whether or not a business owner permits smoking breaks to his employees. If he wants to let them go on a 5 minute smoking break thats his choice. If you don't like it, simply don't work for them.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    What if i said i was a smoker, even though I'm not. Should I get the break as well? (Thats what this thread is about guys stop going off on tangents about whether it is good or not because seriously, its retarded)
     
  23. Unread #72 - Jan 3, 2010 at 11:42 AM
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    I do not agree, You don't know the half of what that company collects as funds.


    Ive read lots of companies recieve a bonus for letting employees go smoke from the tobacco companys, Yeah its bad But people still chose to do it and keep coming back

    Example, Ive smoked since i was 13, Started with weed, ended up smoking cigerettes. I had to quit, my lungs were horrible, even the doctors said.
    I tried, i couldn't . I figured Fuck it, Life is short so ima smoke my damn butts and see what happens next.


    See, A person like me who buys butts, at a price of what 8.27 for newports down here in ma, it costs 50 cents to make 20 butts, and why would i buy them if i cant smoke at work, Which consumes most of my day. If i can smoke throughout the day i will most likely be a returning costumer, Given the tabacco breaks, The companys profit in ways you don't know.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    At my work we all get 15 minutes plus a 1 hour lunch. We can take the 15 minutes any time we like and its paid in case you need to smoke,rest etc. I think its the biz choice to choose to pay it or not. I know many people at my work that smoke and they are very skilled at what they do. I guarantee if they didnt smoke they would be irritable and stressed which would make the world place and there work much harder.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Wow good point. Never heard of that :O

    So this could be one reason why businesses choose to give their smokers breaks and not the non smokers.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Of course, You think companys will give breaks and pay you for doing nothing?
    Wasting time is money,
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Depends on the employer, as we've all been saying.

    There is no universal ethic regarding the giving of smoking breaks to nonsmokers; You've failed to make a case for one.

    If you think you're worth more than your smoking co-workers because you don't take 20 minutes of additional breaks a day then negotiate a pay rise with your manager.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Yeah, in order to get a pay raise, you better come up with a good story.
    They will always take the side that makes them more money.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    Whats this mean? Like there is no reason to give nonsmokers smoking breaks?
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    It's called clarifying... There are a lot of meanings to words.
     
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    Smoking breaks should not be given.

    A universal ethic is a moral principle which is universally applicable (ie: can be applied to all people in all situations.)

    In other words you haven't made a valid moral argument in support of your position.

    Your position is that "smoking breaks should not be given."

    But, because it is not your property (money) that is in question, and because the legitimacy of the property is not in question either, and because no other party's property is being damaged by the action, your position has approximately the same moral validity as the statement: "You should not buy strawberry ice-cream on Sundays." -- It is a personal preference that you are trying to pass off as a moral position. Nothing more.
     
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