Smoking breaks should not be given.

I think you should be able to do what you want while at work in YOUR break.

 

I see the OP's reasoning, he wants all the smokers to be very moody all throughout the day. Good idea.

 

That wasn't my point. Read the thread jeeze.

If one didn't smoke maybe it wouldn't be so hard to make it through the day without a cig. Smoking is a bad decision, and that's a fact. So don't try to debate with me that it isn't.

Thats not what im talking about though, I mean when smokers get the break but non smokers do not.

contradict each other much?

That would be discrimination, gf?

read the thread first pl0x? ty bai

Your argument doesn't stand here.

The fact that he is a plummer affects the outcome. Just like when hiring for a movie you can select what race... because that race will effect the whole outcome of the movie. Get it? If someone is fat that wont effect anything. What your saying is discimination should be constitutional in every situation? What kind of person are you?

Im going to hire this chick because shes hot. Legal? Lol

 

DropKick Murphys, I somewhat agree with you. If your the boss you should be allowed to discriminate if you want to hire the average guy instead of the obese person and stuff like that. Yet how would you feel if person X got a 10 minute break because he or she smokes, and you person Y , does not, you just have to sit and deal with the customers because you dont smoke.

 

I think everyone should be allowed 5 minute breaks now and then. Working four hours straight without stop wears you down and makes you less effective towards the end of the day. This is why schools have breaks between classes, why not do the same at the workplace?

Also, building on that reasoning, how is it fair that you get paid the same when you burn yourself out and just sit there watching the clock for the last hour of your work time?

 

You still don't get what im saying but ok

Btw schools dont get breaks. I wouldn't call 5 minutes to walk to the next class a break

 

Your schools don't have breaks between classes? That's what we do, and it works.

 

O strange. How long? Just curious :love:

 

That walking between classes IS a break.

As for your 'point' that smoking is a bad decision, I don't see why it's your problem? It's not YOUR choice that people smoke, it's not YOUR responsibility to take care of them, so stfu.

The whole break thing came around because companies were riding workers too hard, not because people wanted to take advantage of the companies. There needed to be a way for people to work without being driven like slaves.

 

And...your point is?

Since you don't seem to understand, let me talk a bit about discrimination - rational and irrational.

We all use rational discrimination everyday in our lives, we weigh the consequences and the alternatives and decide which is the best. For example, as a teenage male, my car insurance rates are much higher than my sisters and parents. This is because, statistically, teenage males get into more car accidents than other groups. The insurance company is technically discriminating against me.

Irrational discrimination, on the other hand, is discrimination without that logical reason behind. An example might be banning all black people from your restaurant.

One great thing about the market is that it penalizes irrational discrimination like that - the racist restaurant now makes less money than it normally would, and business would be ripe for a new restaurant to open up and not have any competition for black business.

I would probably be upset, and talk to my boss about it. If my boss does nothing then I would have to decide if I value my job as is more than I value no job or a new job.

 

Exactly. It's your business, it's your money, you will pay whoever you see fit for the job. You are in no way obligated to hire people you don't like (they smoke, they are fat, etc).

 

So who are you to decide this, anyway?
If the business chooses to give the break that's their choice - after all, a nicotine-starved worker will work less efficiently than one who's had their dose so the businesses are doing it for their own benefit as well.

Discrimination does happen. The plumber example is a brilliant one but another one, would you hire the small built or the big built applicant to work on your farm?
That's discrimination because all logical reason says to take the bigger, more muscular applicant.

Are you suggesting that someone with a 7 year medical degree from a top university should be given the same opportunity to become a surgeon; to have people's LIVES in their hands, as someone who barely scraped through high school? It would be discrimination to not do so.

 

What do you mean who am I to decide that? Well its quite obvious. Your looks doesn't effect how quickly you can staple papers, talk to customers, shred papers, calculate taxes, etc.

Also I'm not asking what the laws should be (Even though I used word should in topic, misleading I know) but rather the guidelines with current laws.

The real question I'm asking is why should a smoker get an extra break every so often while a non smoker does not (in most situations). Shouldn't a non smoker be able to take a "smoker" break? If not than why are there not breaks for other things. Drinking breaks? Snack breaks?

This is a pointless post really, as I have already pointed out that the muscle effects the outcome. Read above post

Same as the degree, OBVIOUSLY.

 

Does it not lie in the hands of the employer himself to decide upon topics like this?

I gather it is a law in some countries, but in all honestly, it is a load of crap.

If someone wants to kill themselves slowly and painfully, we do not give them special times to do it, do we? So why give this time to smokers?

 

You also cant hire a hitman to do something just because it is your money. There ARE laws out there for a reason.

 

It's not discrimination if they are equal. If they are equal then what are you discriminating? This logic doesn't make sense? Also could you dumb it down for me because your using some uncommon words