Slight change to forum rules.

[Azie]

I would support increasing 1 month ban for posting personal information of regular users to 3 months.

I wouldn't reduce the duration of 6 months for staff members based on @Tmoe point "Releasing staff information has a long ban time as staff are occasionally the target for doxing given their position and we have had multiple instances of staff members being targeted and even harassed with personal information."

@Bus369 I'm curious to read your reasons for why you think it should be abolished?

 

[RoomScape]

I would support increasing 1 month ban for posting personal information of regular users to 3 months.

I wouldn't reduce the duration of 6 months for staff members based on @Tmoe point "Releasing staff information has a long ban time as staff are occasionally the target for doxing given their position and we have had multiple instances of staff members being targeted and even harassed with personal information."

@Bus369 I'm curious to read your reasons for why you think it should be abolished?

Why not just have them both at six months? That's like saying if you spam a user's pm you will get one infraction point, but if you spam a staff's pm then you will receive a one week ban.

I just don't think it's right to have two different punishments just because one user is staff, so if they get hurt then the offending user deserves a harsher punishment, but if it's not a staff member then no one really cares so we'll let them off with a lesser punishment.

^ That's what I'm getting, more or less. It's the same action so it should warrant the same punishment.

 

[Azie]

Why not just have them both at six months? That's like saying if you spam a user's pm you will get one infraction point, but if you spam a staff's pm then you will receive a one week ban.

I just don't think it's right to have two different punishments just because one user is staff, so if they get hurt then the offending user deserves a harsher punishment, but if it's not a staff member then no one really cares so we'll let them off with a lesser punishment.

^ That's what I'm getting, more or less. It's the same action so it should warrant the same punishment.

The longer punishment isn't really because that individual is staff. In my opinion its more to do with the fact that those trying to dox will be more reluctant to screw around with there personal information due to a much longer ban reason. Staff members are targeted more so it's to balance that factor out.

Does that make sense?

 

[RoomScape]

The longer punishment isn't really because that individual is staff. In my opinion its more to do with the fact that those trying to dox will be more reluctant to screw around with there personal information due to a much longer ban reason. Staff members are targeted more so it's to balance that factor out.

Does that make sense?

Not really, no.

What I got from what you said is that because staff is staff, they draw more hate towards them than others. To deter people from dox'ing them, you give out a longer ban sentence than a regular user.

Regardless, they're still breaking the same rule. I don't see why you get a longer ban for doing it to staff than doing it to any other member.

If you really don't want people to do it, just make it a permanent ban. I'm sure as hell that no one will dox someone 'on accident' or say that they 'didn't know it was against the rules' because both of those are just stupid, pathetic, last ditch excuses.

 

[Azie]

Not really, no.

What I got from what you said is that because staff is staff, they draw more hate towards them than others. To deter people from dox'ing them, you give out a longer ban sentence than a regular user.

Regardless, they're still breaking the same rule. I don't see why you get a longer ban for doing it to staff than doing it to any other member.

If you really don't want people to do it, just make it a permanent ban. I'm sure as hell that no one will dox someone 'on accident' or say that they 'didn't know it was against the rules' because both of those are just stupid, pathetic, last ditch excuses.

Yeah you really didn't get it did you. @Moes interested in hearing your opinion.

 

It is true staff members are more likely to be targeted to have their personal information shared/leaked due to their ranking and nature of action. You could argue that a lengthy sentence is more likely to cripple attempts than a shorter one. Now you must consider just who this ruling affects. This has no effect on banned members, the group most likely to share and leak personal information out of spite or any personal agenda towards staff members. Anonymity on the internet is something many try to uphold, as do I for obvious reasons. The punishment should be the same across the board. Having a different setence length for different groups says "the consequence of this action could be worse depending who you do it to", arguing the target comes before the action when assessing the punishment. We've all witnessed what sharing personal information can do to a person. Reconsideration should be a thing here.

Privacy is a basic human need, and invasion of privacy can have serious psychological and emotional consequences, including paranoia, anxiety, depression and broken trust. Invasion of privacy is both a legal and an ethical issue.

No one should feel less safe than any other user here. Having different punishment lengths does just that.

 

[RoomScape]

It is true staff members are more likely to be targeted to have their personal information shared/leaked due to their ranking and nature of action. You could argue that a lengthy sentence is more likely to cripple attempts than a shorter one. Now you must consider just who this ruling affects. This has no effect on banned members, the group most likely to share and leak personal information out of spite or any personal agenda towards staff members. Anonymity on the internet is something many try to uphold, as do I for obvious reasons. The punishment should be the same across the board. Having a different setence length for different groups says "the consequence of this action could be worse depending who you do it to", arguing the target comes before the action when assessing the punishment. We've all witnessed what sharing personal information can do to a person. Reconsideration should be a thing here.



No one should feel less safe than any other user here. Having different punishment lengths does just that.

This is what I have been trying to say. You shouldn't give out a harsher punishment just because of someone's rank on the forum. That's just not right and blatantly saying that you care more for the security of the staff than you do anyone else, which is pretty sad.

 

I don't support.

I'd like to see the personal information rule abolished all together.

Do you just say whatever comes out your ass before thinking? You think like a child.

 

[Pain]

@Azie

You can purchase anyones dox or information for under $10, most people unless they have solid security will run you $3-$5 for a full DOX.

No I've never been interested in these services but I've seen services on forums I market on with past DOX's and who they were, theres entire sections to dedicated to selling doxes.

It's the internet, any information on anyone is basically obtainable for under $10 or less.

I get everyone is like "oh no you posted a picture of me without my consent, 1 month ban!" when someone could legitimately go on HF or any forum and pay $5 for every picture you've ever posted, every social media u've had, where u live, your interests anything you can imagine.

Privacy is a joke on the internet, don't get me wrong I'm not OK with people leaking personal information but is it really "leaking" when someone could obtain so much more + it for $5?

I mean theres really no way to leak "personal information" when anything and everything is available so cheap now adays.

It's not Sythes job to police the world and its pointless to ban for leaking personal information when none of it is private on the internet anyway.

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I mean theres my info, I literally don't care because I know it could be obtained by every person selling DOXING services on HF in 5 minutes for a few dollars aswell as every picture I've ever posted and who I'm related to and what their information is and their pictures and everything else.

Is it right to leak the information? No it isn't.

Is any of the information really private? No.

Unless your really serious(and I mean really serious) everything you've ever put online or did online is available to the right people for the right price, none of that information is private, people just have the illusion of security that it is.

That's why idc if pictures of me are put in the SF, Idc about my personal information, its freely available to anyone with $5 in their wallet so why would I be bothered about a picture or some information?

 

[RoomScape]

@Azie

You can purchase anyones dox or information for under $10, most people unless they have solid security will run you $3-$5 for a full DOX.

No I've never been interested in these services but I've seen services on forums I market on with past DOX's and who they were, theres entire sections to dedicated to selling doxes.

It's the internet, any information on anyone is basically obtainable for under $10 or less.

I get everyone is like "oh no you posted a picture of me without my consent, 1 month ban!" when someone could legitimately go on HF or any forum and pay $5 for every picture you've ever posted, every social media u've had, where u live, your interests anything you can imagine.

Privacy is a joke on the internet, don't get me wrong I'm not OK with people leaking personal information but is it really "leaking" when someone could obtain so much more + it for $5?

I mean theres really no way to leak "personal information" when anything and everything is available so cheap now adays.

It's not Sythes job to police the world and its pointless to ban for leaking personal information when none of it is private on the internet anyway.

Our Merchant Address: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Contact Email: [email protected]
Contact phone #: 937-503-7286
Company Registration name: Rsgoldfund
Place of Registration: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Registered office address: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Companys registered EIN:81-4488283

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I mean theres my info, I literally don't care because I know it could be obtained by every person selling DOXING services on HF in 5 minutes for a few dollars.

Is it right to leak the information? No it isn't.

Is any of the information really private? No.

Unless your really serious(and I mean really serious) everything you've ever put online or did online is available to the right people for the right price, none of that information is private, people just have the illusion of security that it is.

That's why idc if pictures of me are put in the SF, Idc about my personal information, its freely available to anyone with $5 in their wallet so why would I be bothered about a picture or some information?

I think you're missing the point of this.

 

@Azie

You can purchase anyones dox or information for under $10, most people unless they have solid security will run you $3-$5 for a full DOX.

No I've never been interested in these services but I've seen services on forums I market on with past DOX's and who they were, theres entire sections to dedicated to selling doxes.

It's the internet, any information on anyone is basically obtainable for under $10 or less.

I get everyone is like "oh no you posted a picture of me without my consent, 1 month ban!" when someone could legitimately go on HF or any forum and pay $5 for every picture you've ever posted, every social media u've had, where u live, your interests anything you can imagine.

Privacy is a joke on the internet, don't get me wrong I'm not OK with people leaking personal information but is it really "leaking" when someone could obtain so much more + it for $5?

I mean theres really no way to leak "personal information" when anything and everything is available so cheap now adays.

It's not Sythes job to police the world and its pointless to ban for leaking personal information when none of it is private on the internet anyway.

Our Merchant Address: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Contact Email: [email protected]
Contact phone #: 937-503-7286
Company Registration name: Rsgoldfund
Place of Registration: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Registered office address: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Companys registered EIN:81-4488283

Runescape Gold | Osrs Gold, Buy RS Gold, Old School, Rs 2007 - Terms


I mean theres my info, I literally don't care because I know it could be obtained by every person selling DOXING services on HF in 5 minutes for a few dollars.

Is it right to leak the information? No it isn't.

Is any of the information really private? No.

I really do question your thinking process and how you evaluate certain things.

"Is any of the information really private? No."

Private - belonging to or for the use of one particular person or group of people only.

You're essentially saying YOUR information does not belong to yourself which is an oxymoron.

 

[Pain]

I really do question your thinking process and how you evaluate certain things.

"Is any of the information really private? No."

Private - belonging to or for the use of one particular person or group of people only.

You're essentially saying YOUR information does not belong to yourself which is an oxymoron.

My information doesn't belong to me if I put it on the internet.

That's why you don't put things online that you don't want to be found for the rest of time, it is there, it is obtainable for the right price to the right people, forever.

 

[Azie]

@Azie

You can purchase anyones dox or information for under $10, most people unless they have solid security will run you $3-$5 for a full DOX.

No I've never been interested in these services but I've seen services on forums I market on with past DOX's and who they were, theres entire sections to dedicated to selling doxes.

It's the internet, any information on anyone is basically obtainable for under $10 or less.

I get everyone is like "oh no you posted a picture of me without my consent, 1 month ban!" when someone could legitimately go on HF or any forum and pay $5 for every picture you've ever posted, every social media u've had, where u live, your interests anything you can imagine.

Privacy is a joke on the internet, don't get me wrong I'm not OK with people leaking personal information but is it really "leaking" when someone could obtain so much more + it for $5?

I mean theres really no way to leak "personal information" when anything and everything is available so cheap now adays.

It's not Sythes job to police the world and its pointless to ban for leaking personal information when none of it is private on the internet anyway.

Our Merchant Address: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Contact Email: [email protected]
Contact phone #: 937-503-7286
Company Registration name: Rsgoldfund
Place of Registration: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Registered office address: 564 Plattner Trail Beavercreek Ohio 45430
Companys registered EIN:81-4488283

Runescape Gold | Osrs Gold, Buy RS Gold, Old School, Rs 2007 - Terms


I mean theres my info, I literally don't care because I know it could be obtained by every person selling DOXING services on HF in 5 minutes for a few dollars.

Is it right to leak the information? No it isn't.

Is any of the information really private? No.

Unless your really serious(and I mean really serious) everything you've ever put online or did online is available to the right people for the right price, none of that information is private, people just have the illusion of security that it is.

That's why idc if pictures of me are put in the SF, Idc about my personal information, its freely available to anyone with $5 in their wallet so why would I be bothered about a picture or some information?

Fair enough I understand your point of view. But abolishing the rule will welcome more dox's which is something I rather not have on Sythe. Therefore, keeping rules to tackle the issues of doxing suit me more. The Internet may not be as safe as we think it is but we can at least make our community feel safer by making it against the rules here. Thanks for getting back to though as I was curious about your reasons.

I think you're missing the point of this.

He was responding to my question. I asked him what his reasons were.

 

My information doesn't belong to me if I put it on the internet.

That's why you don't put things online that you don't want to be found for the rest of time, it is there, it is obtainable for the right price to the right people, forever.

You're just repeating what you said previously in a shorter response, once again sent without actual thought.

"My" - belonging to or associated with the speaker.

That's like me saying MY phone is no longer mine if I dropped it on the floor.

This backwards logic is why I call you a retard.

 

[RoomScape]

My information doesn't belong to me if I put it on the internet.

That's why you don't put things online that you don't want to be found for the rest of time, it is there, it is obtainable for the right price to the right people, forever.

Just because it's accessible to others doesn't mean that it's not yours.

 

[RoomScape]

You're just repeating what you said previously in a shorter response, once again sent without actual thought.

"My" - belonging to or associated with the speaker.

That's like me saying MY phone is no longer mine if I dropped it on the floor.

This backwards logic is why I call you a retard.

He's saying something more along the lines of:

It's no longer your phone if other people know the phone exist or if other people know where you store/hide your phone.

Basically saying you can hide your phone in your pocket forever, but once someone finds out and tells others then it is no longer your phone.

Doesn't make much sense however you look at it. I do get his point in saying that it's pointless since it's easy to dox, which I'm not denying, but the fact is that it's not allowed on here. That's like saying it's easy for people to scam so we shouldn't ban people who scam...

 

He's saying something more along the lines of:

It's no longer your phone if other people know the phone exist or if other people know where you store/hide your phone.

> It's no longer your email if other people know the email exists or if other people know where you store/hide your email.

This explanation is actually worse than what I got from him.

Possession and knowledge of possession are two different things.