Seatbelt Laws

[Necromancer24]

I do not agree. They need to buckle up to ensure their safety of themselves and their children. Just imagine this:

Both parents died leaving their 3 year old son alone with no relatives. Where will the boy be put? Orphanage right? You see what I mean?

 

[DropKick Murphys]

Just a silly appeal to emotion though, Necro. You could make a similar argument like that on almost any subject.

 

[Dizle]

I don't think they should because I really don't care if people want to put they're life in danger, it doesn't bother me.

 

[K-3-V-1-N]

The question I really wanted to ask really has nothing to do with Seatbelts. It's the question, "Should the Government punish those that do not care for themselves?" that I really wanted to discuss. There are too many factors with the Seatbelt discussion, as Dropkick pointed out to me. Of course, it's still nice to discuss.

So, to give my opinion on the more specific question I have presented... I don't see how it's anyone's buisness how much I protect/preserve myself. This discussion can coincide with the "Should suicide be illegal?" thread. I own my body, therefore I can do with it as I please. To disallow this constitutes slavery, which I'm obviously against.

 

[Dizle]

No they shouldn't because the government should not interfere with my personal life. What my choices would be about my safety are up to me

 

[dam prayer noobs]

The question I really wanted to ask really has nothing to do with Seatbelts. It's the question, "Should the Government punish those that do not care for themselves?" that I really wanted to discuss. There are too many factors with the Seatbelt discussion, as Dropkick pointed out to me. Of course, it's still nice to discuss.

So, to give my opinion on the more specific question I have presented... I don't see how it's anyone's buisness how much I protect/preserve myself. This discussion can coincide with the "Should suicide be illegal?" thread. I own my body, therefore I can do with it as I please. To disallow this constitutes slavery, which I'm obviously against.

The government is based on the belief that the people are too stupid to know better, so the government needs to come in and tell them what to do. So they make simple laws that are based on a don't do this or you will get punished, you know, the same way you train your pet... But the problem is that people don't get punished 100% of the time for breaking a law like smoking weed or a seat belt law, because they always find ways around it or just don't get caught all of the time. People know that there is a small chance they would get pulled over, therefore a very small risk of them getting punished for not having a seat belt on, therefore they forget because it is not that important. Same with weed, people don't get caught all the time, so they are willing to take that small risk of getting caught to experience the positive effects of the drug. People don't view the law as something that protects them, they view it as an obstacle that they can work around. The only way to stop someone from doing something or get them to do something is to convince them that it is good or bad. The person is in control of their own bodies, so if you get it into their head that some type of drug is extremely addictive, then that person won't do that drug because of the fear of getting addicted to it. You don't get caught 100% of the time, but you do experience the negative affects of an action 100% of the time, so if you educate the person on why a certain drug is bad, you don't need laws to stop them from doing it.

 

[D M S Rawrs]

What do you think of them? Do you support the Government giving out tickets for unbuckled drivers?

If a fully grown adult does not want to use seatbelts for protection, is it moral for the Government to fine them for failing to take care of themselves? Does this change when talking about underage children? Why?

Seatbelts save lives. So Yes the government should fine people. They will be thanking the government if they end up in an accident.

Nuff said.

 

[dam prayer noobs]

Seatbelts save lives. So Yes the government should fine people. They will be thanking the government if they end up in an accident.

Nuff said.

Do you get into your car and say "Oh, I gotta put on my seat belt because I don't wanna get a fine!" People don't get pulled over all the time, so the risk of getting fined is very small. Therefore this law does little to make people wear their seat belts.

 

[Schnell]

Good thing buses don't have seat belts...

I wasn't aware that the US were so far behind. You should be more concerned with getting seatbelts in buses than whether or not you have to use them.

 

[D M S Rawrs]

I wasn't aware that the US were so far behind. You should be more concerned with getting seatbelts in buses than whether or not you have to use them.

Australian busses don't have seatbelts either.

 

[Schnell]

Australian busses don't have seatbelts either.

Well in Norway they do.

 

[Dizle]

In Missouri at least, you can only get fined for not wearing your seat belt if you get pulled over for another thing. For example, you are speeding 10 miles over the speed limit and you have your seat belt off. You can get two tickets, one for speeding, and the other for not wearing a seat belt. However if you are driving down the road without a seat belt on, and a cop sees you, they can't pull you over for just that. I know it is different in a lot of other states, but that's Missouri's law.

 

[SOM]

Seat belts save lives. Enough said.

 

[Rushie]

Seatbelts save lives, but they're only a "shit happens" measure. If you get in a crash, which is unlikely unless you or someone else did something wrong, then it matters. But, it is still your choice. To me this is like fining cat owners for not wearing a claw-proof suit whenever they hold anything that can scratch you.

 

[gentrylolz]

nvr thought of it, i suppose if ur a back seat passanger a seatbelt protects the front drivers but i suppose its personal choice to wear them?

 

[Schnell]

Seatbelts save lives, but they're only a "shit happens" measure. If you get in a crash, which is unlikely unless you or someone else did something wrong, then it matters. But, it is still your choice. To me this is like fining cat owners for not wearing a claw-proof suit whenever they hold anything that can scratch you.

Bet you wouldn't say that if shit happened to you. Do you really trust everyone around you that much?

 

[Try and run]

What do you think of them? Do you support the Government giving out tickets for unbuckled drivers?

If a fully grown adult does not want to use seatbelts for protection, is it moral for the Government to fine them for failing to take care of themselves? Does this change when talking about underage children? Why?

I agree with it, the law is there for your own safety. Exactly why we have laws that prohibit us from doing anything that is considered wreckless to ourselves or to our community.

Edit: I also think that it is right for them to issue a ticket if being caught without wearing a seatbelt, if people know that they will be fined for not doing so, then they will be more likely to wear a seatbelt.

 

[K-3-V-1-N]

The thing that I don't understand, however, is how it's anyone's buisness how someone preserves themselves. If I wish to kill myself, then I should have the right to. I own myself therefore I can do whatever I wish with my body. I know that seatbelts save lives, but that's the the question here.

If a fully grown adult wishes to harm themselves, or do something that has the potential of harming themselves, is it moral to punish them for doing so? I, obviously think that punishing them is immoral. Again, you own yourself, therefore putting yourself in danger should be a personal decision. Now, if you agree with me that far, what about children?

 

[dam prayer noobs]

Bet you wouldn't say that if shit happened to you. Do you really trust everyone around you that much?

I don't put on my seat belt because of the fear of getting a ticket, I put it on because of the fear of dieing if I get in a car crash. If I got in a car crash, I wouldn't thank the government for anything, I would thank myself for remembering to put on a seat belt. The only role government plays in any of this is the part where they take your money away.

 

[mynameisearlandilikenuts]

So, to give my opinion on the more specific question I have presented... I don't see how it's anyone's buisness how much I protect/preserve myself. This discussion can coincide with the "Should suicide be illegal?" thread. I own my body, therefore I can do with it as I please. To disallow this constitutes slavery, which I'm obviously against.

Honestly, if I punch myself in the throat, the government should never be able to tell you you can't do that. I should be able to hurt myself all I want, whether it's cutting stabbing punching biting, or whatever else you depressed people do to yourself.

The way I see it, it depends how you do it. If you kill yourself by strapping a bomb to your chest, running into a hospital, and blowing the shit out of thousands of people, well clearly there's something wrong with that picture. There is no reason in the world that should be legal.

However, I do believe that it should be legal to prescribe suicidal drugs, on the account that the person has been to rehab or something, and still wants to quit life.