Satanism/Deamonism/Paganism

[vinny101]

Now i am actually catholic.

But i have always bin extremely interested in all things Pagan spells/rituals ect, i have been studying the different religions for some time. Its really quite interesting and has allot of fact behind it,

Has the church of Xian (Church of today) Just been telling us lies to hide the true color of the world?

Now Here is a good link explaining satanism/deamonism,

Please inform me if this is breaking the rules..

It is mostly how to meditate, but it is basically the structor of these religions anyways, Charkals, Third eye to the soul's ect ect.

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Meditation.html

Now you have looked at the link (Hopefully)

Discuss: Is Real life spells/Demon summonings/Curses/black magick/white magick ALL bullshit? Or is there maybe a hint of truth?

 

[jd 365]

You cant do a spell unless you fully beleive in them, its more of a mental status you dont need the ingrediants all they do is make it seem like somthing more will happen when in reality you need to bring your thoughts into it, if you FULLY beleive in somthing then it will happen. And the Xtian church has not been telling lies yes, they need someone to blame and Satanists have been there best friend and kept them in buisness, notice how god hates the devil when he has done absolutly nothing and yet the devil still holds compassion for his followers and even god, its more of a pity.

 

[Alternative Illusion]

^Contact me if you actually comprehend what you're saying about manifestation... I like meeting people who can see why things in the world got to be the way they are and how simple it is to change them.

 

[vinny101]

I do actually believe that the church of today is mostly what they just want us to believe, even though i am catholic.

The church of today has made people believe daemons and Satan are evil, when in real fact they are not that evil at all. (They were considered opposites of God/angels, But that is only through one religions eyes, Christianity) They are actually very few evil daemons and daemons were said to be beings with stronger aura's (more energy and power) so people feared them. And it was also said that god is the only true good, so everyone else is evil.

Mostly the church is run by the government, and like them people know little to what actually goes on behind closed doors. There are plenty of ancient artifacts in time which prove today's religion wrong, like the Sphinx has a bee stinger on the back of his head dress, Bee's were considered holy in these times because of the relations it has in opening the heart chakra.

 

[vinny101]

Yes. i would be happy to contact you and discuss view's like this further.

All i'am writing in the forums though is through research i do not actually follow any of these ways (Yet) other than a bit of meditating and self hypnosis. I would very much like to venture further into it though and see the boundarys.

I also agree with you about if you fully belive in something like this, that is the basic structure of any religion to be honest.

But if that was the case wouldnt it be better to be a satanist than a christian? because in this religion if you fully belive you could actually get good things out of it? Like feeling good about yourself/Spiritual guidance and improoving your self confidence through meditation? I am not sure about the depths of this but i know that meditation and self hypnosis Are good for you, they do make you feel good and refreshed, and any bad thoughts can just be fushed away, This has alot to do with NLP aswell.

 

[Schnell]

Don't Satanists recognize Jesus as the son of God and are therefore by definition Christians?

 

[Alternative Illusion]

I was actually talking about jd, but if you want to talk to me that's cool.

 

[vinny101]

I don't really know schnll, I know that Pagans do not believe in the biblic god but believe in god of earth god of life and all that. But paganism is very much linked with satanism,

And sorry i thought it was aimed at me ^^ i don't really mind

 

[Alternative Illusion]

Paganism isn't linked with satanism one bit... I don't think you know what it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

 

[jd 365]

WOW WOW WOW dont ever put paganism near satanism, they beleive in many diffrent things, satanism is not soley based on nature while paganism is and well read the article. There are very big diffrences and satanism has also been here longer, paganism is like a kiddy satanism

 

[v Angel v]

I have been also studying religions I've read about Islam, Judaism, Sijisim(not sure how to spell correctly), Confucianism, Buddhism, and even Scientology.
I've studied a lot of "branches" of the Christian religion.
I am happy to say that I am a proud Catholic but some of the stuff on other religions sounds pretty reasonable so I stay open minded.
In case your saying Angel I want to hear about satanism, well I am getting there.
See most people believe that the Satanic way the the "right way."
Well you must be thinking.."what the holy fuck is wrong with those crazy lunatics!"
Well I read in the (laugh if you want it's true) Jehovah's Witnesses' New world translation scriptures that the only reason there is so much suffering, war, famine,and chaos in the world is not caused by God but by Satan.
The "story" goes like this:Satan challenges God that he's way is wrong and that humans or "man" should let himself choose what is wrong and what is right.
Well God thinks about what Satan says and instead of sending Satan back to hell he accepts his challenge.Now if your wondering why he did imagine this scenario:
A student tells his teacher that the way he solves a math problem isn't right and he could do it in a much better way,now the teacher could say no but then other student would think the teacher is afraid of the student's possibility to outwit the teacher.So the teacher says yes and allows the student to show the class how he would do the math problem.Since the teacher is more experienced than the student the teacher knows for a fact that the student will not prevail and the class would see that the teacher's way is the right way.

Now think about it,who has more experience the teacher or the student.

It's the same way with God and Satan.Instead of sending Satan back to hell God allows Satan to run his "test" and since God knows that he will fail he will show the other rebels (rebellious angels) that God's way is the right way.
Now people worship Satan because they think he's way is right and that Satan is the "king of mankind."
That is why people "follow" Satan's way

 

[The Riddler_]

You cant do a spell unless you fully beleive in them, its more of a mental status you dont need the ingrediants all they do is make it seem like somthing more will happen when in reality you need to bring your thoughts into it, if you FULLY beleive in somthing then it will happen.

Complete bullshit. So your saying, if you FULLY believe in something, it will happen? And if it doesn't happen, the only thing to blame is yourself for not FULLY believing it? Lol it's just like athiests talking about Christians praying.

 

[Syed]

Complete bullshit. So your saying, if you FULLY believe in something, it will happen? And if it doesn't happen, the only thing to blame is yourself for not FULLY believing it? Lol it's just like athiests talking about Christians praying.

I also believed that was complete bullshit rofl. If I fully believed that I would win the lottery, would I win it?:nuts:

 

[Alternative Illusion]

It's almost funny sitting here reading these comments. Yes, your thoughts create and change reality, and yes fully believing something is one of a few crucial steps to manifestation. If you believed that you would win the lottery and understood WHY your thoughts and expectations create the outcome, yes you would win. It's more like deciding you want or need to win the lottery than anything else. The hocus pocus in magic has some benefits to some individuals, but it's more or less optional. Anyone who understands magick/intention-manifestation/whatever fucking name you want knows that having a discussion about the existence of such things is pointless.


Also, prayer DOES work, and on the same mechanism as the other magicks. Prayer produces results because the results are expected and you know it works. Don't believe that bullshit about the yes, no, and wait answers. It can happen this way, sure, but the limits set by each individual or organized practice are responsible for the lack of results in certain circumstances. For example, if you subscribe to karma, you will have the karmic debts to hold you back in the future to keep you on the right path. If you subscribe to Christianity, selfish requests will sometimes go unanswered to protect you from yourself. Spirituality keeps the magic in check. All of the religions are just as "real" as the others, and at the same time all of them are fake because they only exist and work because you expect them to.

 

[The Riddler_]

It's almost funny sitting here reading these comments. Yes, your thoughts create and change reality, and yes fully believing something is one of a few crucial steps to manifestation. If you believed that you would win the lottery and understood WHY your thoughts and expectations create the outcome, yes you would win. It's more like deciding you want or need to win the lottery than anything else. The hocus pocus in magic has some benefits to some individuals, but it's more or less optional. Anyone who understands magick/intention-manifestation/whatever fucking name you want knows that having a discussion about the existence of such things is pointless.

That would only exist if everyone lived in they're own world and had the same effects as if it was a dream. Complete bullshit tbh. Show me some proof please. If you are correct, then every lottery winner should be satanic/self intertwined.

Also, prayer DOES work, and on the same mechanism as the other magicks. Prayer produces results because the results are expected and you know it works. Don't believe that bullshit about the yes, no, and wait answers. It can happen this way, sure, but the limits set by each individual or organized practice are responsible for the lack of results in certain circumstances. For example, if you subscribe to karma, you will have the karmic debts to hold you back in the future to keep you on the right path. If you subscribe to Christianity, selfish requests will sometimes go unanswered to protect you from yourself. Spirituality keeps the magic in check. All of the religions are just as "real" as the others, and at the same time all of them are fake because they only exist and work because you expect them to.

The only reason Karma could even be plausible, is if you account even the smallest amount of misfortune/fortune.

Such as, "I helped that woman acrossed the street, i'm still alive, GO KARMA!"

 

[Schnell]

That would only exist if everyone lived in they're own world and had the same effects as if it was a dream. Complete bullshit tbh. Show me some proof please. If you are correct, then every lottery winner should be satanic/self intertwined.

He is not saying that you will actually win the lottery. But if you believe it so much that nothing can make you think otherwise, then in your own mind you will win. You have to be pretty delusional for this to work, but in theory it is possible.

The only reason Karma could even be plausible, is if you account even the smallest amount of misfortune/fortune.

Such as, "I helped that woman acrossed the street, i'm still alive, GO KARMA!"

Yes, there is always the possibility that you could get run over by the car, but because there was two people in the road he saw you and stopped. Or maybe this delayed you just enough to avoid getting run over at the next crossing. There is no way to disprove this, so you could convince yourself that this is the case.

In some sense, people do live in their own little world. Everyone perceive things differently. As an example, let's say someone needs some dangerous surgery. This person then spends his days praying that he'll make it through. The day comes, and the operation is successful. His view is that God watched over him and made sure he survived, while my opinion is that he got lucky/had a good doctor. I can't convince him that God had nothing to do with it, and so there are two contradicting views depending on who's "little world" is the right one.

 

[vinny101]

Sorry my computer broke for a couple of days..

If you fully believe something and i mean fully, it will happen.. it is not bullshit, and also not to the extreme.

Like Hypnosis, when someone hypnotises someone and tells them to do things, it only works because the mind belives it is happening so much that it dose. You will not understand what iam talking about unless you are a mature age and have researched all of these factors. So don't say it is bullshit, your bullshit you don't know anything.. Do your research and then come back, but Facts prove you wrong.

Also satanism is linked with Paganism in many ways, they are both magick orientated and very spiritual and satanists believe many things which pagans do. Also very interesting to the Jehovah witness testament you told, i haven't heard that one before.

I still want to study further in satanism, it is quite an old religion, but my academic study's take up all my time at the moment, but let me know what you find out because i am learning allot of new things myself.

 

[vinny101]

Shit this was ages ago... GRAVE DIG.

 

[Billetes]

Can you please prove your claims vinny?

 

[Karl]

This thread is so controversial, it can only be argued from your own point of view and beliefs, therefore Im going to lock this because its baseless and non-factual opinion rather than fact which can be argued.