Restructure on Sythe.org's punishment system

[MohtasaUnique]

I propose the removal of infractions and point-based temp bans. In its place, I suggest a simple forum modification that allows mods to mod posts like normal, but the result of their modding would just be a formal public reprimanding. This example from another forum perfectly illustrates how I intend the change to look like.

Sythe has approved the idea and would like the input of the community. Please note a few things:
1) Repeated offenses WILL result in a temporary sub-forum ban. For example, if you spam up SFA with ridiculous and stupid replies on serious debates, you'll be banned from SFA for a while.
2) This only affects infractionable offenses. Spamming, flaming, incorrect posts or threads, etc. This DOES NOT effect bannable offenses such as posting pornographic material or posting someone's personal information, etc. You will still be banned for such things.
3) That's all I can think of atm. Discuss and I'll answer any questions to the best of my ability.

Here's a bit more reasoning behind this suggestion:

Another perk to this system is new users get to see the team work. They get to see how rules are enforced and they will witness first hand what's to be expected of site users. I think it's a great system. Infractions are too personal, people get too pissed off when they get that PM message "INFRACTED, BITCH.", plus no one can see if a moderator is actually doing his job correctly. With this sytem, people will be able to watch mods and make sure they're handling the rules right. And if they're not, bring it to their attention. Everyone helps everyone, and there's no hard feelings with these infraction points, and there's no rash temp bans for a simple spammed post.

 

Aren't infractions kind of a point based system with 5 of them earning you a temporary ban? I feel like I'm not really getting your idea. Anywho I like the idea of banning from certain forums if they spam it up in there continually.

 

[MohtasaUnique]

Jack Goff, points and infractions and temporary bans for infractions will be entirely removed permanently. Mod would no longer hand out infractions

 

[Raptor lx]

No support, I think this is a much easier punishment for those who break the rules. The infractions act as a harsh deterrent, and this seems to be a much lighter way of reprimanding those who have been breaching the rules. Perhaps we can keep the current system but also implement this kind of public message?

 

[Punjabi3]

1) Repeated offenses WILL result in a temporary sub-forum ban. For example, if you spam up SFA with ridiculous and stupid replies on serious debates, you'll be banned from SFA for a while.

I like this idea rather than temp banning the account they would just be temp banned from the portion of the forum they spammed.

I don't agree with publicly posting the reasoning to the infraction though, I think it wouldn't be worth the time to post reasoning for the warning and might just be better to make it hyperlink the spam report where the member was infracted from, unless those messages would be automated after every post that is infracted or warned but I still wouldn't want to see a link to the rules appearing above everyone's signature who got infracted.

 

[MohtasaUnique]

We take the time to write reasons to the users we're infracting, it would work much the same way, except it would put the reason in a "Mod Quote" on the post itself. These quotes wouldn't be put in user's signatures, it'd be edited into the post that broke the rule

@ the above poster, people are going to spam regardless of what happens to them in return. If someone is truly hellbent posting their piece of spam on the forums, either public reprimand nor infraction will make a lick of difference to them, however it will act as a reminder to everyone else to follow the rules (since it's a public reprimand). If the offender continues, then it's a simple temp sub-forum ban, done and done

 

[x339]

Yes yes yes yes yes

Finally some sense is coming through.

Things like sub forum bans and such is 1,000,000 times better then just banning the whole account. 100% support.

 

[Corey]

Would there not be a way to customize the infraction system and have it group infractions with their individual sections, and then have the infraction buildup ban do a forumban instead?

I don't really like the idea of having to manually write a warning to every user who spams, when you're only going to forget how many times you warned them and have to spend 10 to 20 minutes looking through your old posts. We need a system to keep track, bottom line, and a revamp of the infraction system would be the best option in my opinion.

 

[Heads447]

I like the infraction system the way it is now, but I dont like the whole "banning you from the entire site" part...

 

[MohtasaUnique]

Would there not be a way to customize the infraction system and have it group infractions with their individual sections, and then have the infraction buildup ban do a forumban instead?

I don't really like the idea of having to manually write a warning to every user who spams, when you're only going to forget how many times you warned them and have to spend 10 to 20 minutes looking through your old posts. We need a system to keep track, bottom line, and a revamp of the infraction system would be the best option in my opinion.

We could use warnings instead of infractions, there would be no points, and we can keep track of their number of warnings that way. As for writing out the warning, like I said, we do it anyway when we're giving out infraction when we fill out the "Reason" textbox on the infraction window

 

[SuF]

I'd still rather have forum wide bans if people are really being stupid everywhere.

 

Definitely support this. Forum specific bans > account bans

 

I like the infraction system as it is, but I do like the forum specific ban aspect.

P.s. the image isn't working for me, any idea why?

 

[-Bat]

I'd still rather have forum wide bans if people are really being stupid everywhere.

honestly I think if they get enough points to actually get temp banned they deserve a full ban...although I'm just a normal user I don't really see too much of a reason for a change unless it is actually more effective or is less of a workload for mods.

 

[Afk Bro]

I like the idea of a forum ban instead of a site-wide ban

 

[Nerfed]

I like the idea of forumn ban, to be honest if you think of it this way, say a user is
very fond of the runescape forumn and he/she happens to spam and get banned from the
runescape section for a week or so, this basically forces the user to explore another
section for a bit wile he waits out his bann ++ other sub forumns become more active
and maybe the user might call x2 sub sections home exept for just spamming the runescape
section all in all it helps the forumn out, showing that rules will be uphelp at the
highest tolerence and there are more sections out there.
So the user recieved his/her punishment and explored more about sythe thats a +++++
problem solved..

total Support good idea man

 

[MohtasaUnique]

Another perk to this system is new users get to see the team work. They get to see how rules are enforced and they will witness first hand what's to be expected of site users. I think it's a great system. Infractions are too personal, people get too pissed off when they get that PM message "INFRACTED, BITCH.", plus no one can see if a moderator is actually doing his job correctly. With this sytem, people will be able to watch mods and make sure they're handling the rules right. And if they're not, bring it to their attention. Everyone helps everyone, and there's no hard feelings with these infraction points, and there's no rash temp bans for a simple spammed post.

 

Forum bans are definitely better than site bans but I believe that after like 3 forum bans they should get a temporary site ban or something.

 

[Cynthia]

All for a forum section ban, like if you spam in Support/SFA you get a Forum ban for that section but NOT for the others.. as for the rest i am leaning towards no support.

 

[MohtasaUnique]

Forum bans are definitely better than site bans but I believe that after like 3 forum bans they should get a temporary site ban or something.

That would be difficult to keep track of, forum bans don't readily show up to mods. Viewing forum bans requires more effort than clicking their username, viewing their profile, and seeing the list of infractions splayed out at the bottom. I don't even know if sectionals CAN see forum bans.