Require Pricing For Sale Of Accounts

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Require Pricing For Sale Of Accounts
  1. Unread #1 - Apr 24, 2024 at 5:59 PM
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    Describe the problem: a large majority of threads in the marketplace of this site, require you to join someones discord, sometimes verify yourself with a captcha and such, possibly even link your discord to some random bot they have decided to use, just to see the pricing of an account for sale. Its tiresome looking for accounts.
    What current rule(s) tackle this problem: False or Misleading Advertising:
    • Your market threads must be accurate and updated promptly to reflect your actual prices/offers.
    Explain the change: Require account sellers to provide pricing for their accounts. This would be like walking into a supermarket, and just guessing what the price was until you went to the counter.
    Explain why this change will fix the problem: It would require sellers to keep an accurate price of their accounts.
    Side-effects: Changing prices of accounts could take some time. However, I feel like if you are wanting to make money off this site, the little effort it takes would be worth the money.
     
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  3. Unread #2 - Apr 24, 2024 at 6:23 PM
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    It comes down to listing prices as an option. If you choose to list a price it must be updated/accurate, but not required as some sellers have an array of services and keeping up with pricing would be a little hectic.

    I do agree it would save a lot of time for buyers, but as you can see below this has been shot down several times.



    https://www.sythe.org/threads/denied-thread-content-requirement/

    https://www.sythe.org/threads/denied-account-sellers-must-list-max-price-in-thread/#post-59649124

    https://www.sythe.org/threads/denie...t-their-prices-in-their-thread/#post-36473187

    https://www.sythe.org/threads/denied-price-required-for-marketplace-posts/

    https://www.sythe.org/threads/price-in-account-section/
     
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  5. Unread #3 - Apr 24, 2024 at 7:35 PM
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    I agree! I never join the discords if they don’t have the price listed, it’s fucking annoying, I feel like they lose sales not listing the price. Any account I’ve bought they had price listed on thread such as @Corby and @Lucky Charm .
     
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  7. Unread #4 - Apr 24, 2024 at 9:28 PM
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    Agree !

    I was looking to buy some gp but everytime I can't see the price I need to join their discord! Put your god damn price in the description.
     
  9. Unread #5 - Apr 25, 2024 at 12:29 AM
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    This suggestion is about accounts. It's even more difficult for gp as the price of gp fluctuates a lot throughout the day. Even in the past users would usually work with price ranges + the prices were often not up to date.

    OT: I understand the frustration but I think these sellers just hurt their own business by not listing any prices.
    However, I'll do some checks and will post the data later so we can see how much of a problem it currently is.
     
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  11. Unread #6 - Apr 25, 2024 at 3:57 AM
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    Alright, I checked roughly 150 threads in a few different sections (low lvl iron, pures, misc accs and low lvl mains). These are sections that typically have a fair amount of bigger (bulk) sellers. Sections such as higher lvl irons and 2k+ mains usually have more 'lower rep' sellers.
    Surprisingly, roughly 64% of these threads contained prices.

    I also checked how much the thread owners have donated, to see if there's a link between $300+ donators (autobumping available) and (not) posting prices.
    Of all the threads where the thread owners have donated less than $300, about 85% contained prices.
    For the $300+ donators, only 56% lists prices.

    In conclusion: while the majority of users are listing their prices, it's evident that there is still a group of users that frequently bump without listing any prices. The users that do not list prices typically only have 1 account for sale, which usually is a very basic account. It's likely that this is done just so they have a thread for more visibility/getting people into their server. They probably don't even really want to sell that account.
     
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  13. Unread #7 - Apr 25, 2024 at 8:13 AM
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    Im not even mad im trying to agree with OP that people should post prices but i also agree with Zora that if people want to do that they are more than welcome to shoot themselves in the foot during the race. I was making a subtle joke about Lucky Charm copying my format and that its a compliment because we were the only 2 people mentioned for actually running a good store with prices listed.
     
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  15. Unread #8 - Apr 25, 2024 at 8:26 AM
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    what pisses me off is people who list “sample accounts” and don’t even have the fucking account they are listing.
     
  17. Unread #9 - Apr 25, 2024 at 8:48 AM
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    No support.
    All accound sellers that make more than 4$ a month have like 100+ different account builds with daily stock/inventory changes.

    It's easier to just post an example without a price than to update 10 topics daily, and annoy mods with slight inaccuracies due to daily changes.



    I'd compare it with requiring to have accurate gold prices on your topics. Literally no one with more than 4 brain cells left is going to rot their brains updating the prices every few hours for 10 daily views on their topic.
     
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  19. Unread #10 - Apr 25, 2024 at 2:58 PM
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    Support I’ve made this same recommendation before
     
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    Waste of time imo, if forced to list prices they will post high numbers and say negotiable etc
     
  23. Unread #12 - Apr 27, 2024 at 1:39 PM
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    So you are not in support, because it may take effort for a seller to change their pricing?

    Again, I would like to point to this thread :
    https://www.sythe.org/threads/a-stricter-enforcement-of-the-false-advertising-rule/

    The rules specifically state that sales/purchase threads must be ACCURATE and updated promptly to reflect your actual PRICES/OFFERS.

    Users not posting prices, or available stock, is not following this rule. The threads are not accurate, and do not reflect the actual prices of accounts. While I get it may take some time, if someone is wanting to run a business selling things on this site, it seems only fair for them to list their current prices.

    I will again compare it to going to the supermarket, and not knowing the price of anything until you go to the check-out counter. Every business in the world has to accurately change their prices on all of their selling avenues, so why is sythe any different?
     
  25. Unread #13 - Apr 27, 2024 at 2:14 PM
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    I support this big time, but it'll be way too easy to bypass it and unless there's a hero checking each discord to make sure they actually have the accounts in stock / selling them for the price they advertise they'll continue to get away with it. - along with auto bumping a thread they don't have the proper stock for.

    A lot of the "discord severs" that advertise accounts have a bullshit image likely screenshotted off of a google image and when you join the server they don't have "said" account but a bunch of random other ones.

    Something that should be suggested / mandated is WHO creates these accounts and how they were trained. Do I want an account that was created by some venny and botted up along with 10 other accounts that will be banned in the first week after I buy it? absolutely not. But even if that's reported the discord servers get away with it cause "ban happened after sale"

    the rules in place are 90% bullshit and always favor the 500$+ donors.
     
  27. Unread #14 - Apr 27, 2024 at 4:04 PM
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    Rules aren’t made for specific tiers of donators. I also am not sure how you’d prove the account seller/worker botted vs the buyer botted in your example above. I am not seeing how your spin-off suggestion is needed. You can request from the individual you are buying from if they created the account / trained it / had x person train it.

    On topic though; I've always been in favor of requiring people to list their account/inventory as well as a price. This would prevent users from just listing an example account and linking to a discord. Ultimately sales take effort and editing in your accounts should come with it.
     
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  29. Unread #15 - Apr 28, 2024 at 3:54 AM
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    If you're advertising your business somewhere, will you post your entire stock with prices on the advert, when you have 200+ products for sale? Or just link them to your store with an example?
     
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    Discord is not a store though. Making people join your discord would be like the store forcing you to sign up for an account with them before you can see what is available.
     
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    No Support. The Economy is day-by-day in some instances regarding Gold/Accounts. When you're running a business you take a risk by posting flat-rates on a forum you may not be monitoring every day. Also most people that come here to specifically sell an account will most of the time list the price, but if your running a Discord/Business and have employees prices could be subject to change to reflect the in-game/real-life economy. If taking less then a few minutes of your time to add somebody/business on Discord to purchase an account you want is to much of a hassle just purchase an account somewhere else. I was once frustrated about having to add different Discords to get Gold/Accounts but overall its a pretty streamlined process with minimal effort on the buyers end.
     
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    The way that I see it is this:

    - The current rulings promote a pro-seller environment.
    - Your suggestion asks for a pro-buyer shift.

    In reality, posting prices would allow more buyers and sellers to connect. It would take more effort for the large shop guys to keep track and constantly update their threads. To @Kanye's point though, "Ultimately sales take effort and editing in your accounts should come with it." Auto bumpers make it easy for large stock sellers to drive traffic to their business through the forum.

    The way I see it, no one would be forcing sellers to list all of their stock, but they should be required to list prices for any account(s) they advertise in their thread as having for sale.

    We used to require pricing for each account on threads and I'm personally in favor of the suggestion.
     
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    While I don't fully support the idea of making sellers update their prices and post all their accounts on their Sythe post, I think sellers should also acknowledge that this is a problem. While shopping for the best prices on services and inquiring about a few accounts, I joined an excess of 10+ servers and I don't know what is what. It's just a clusterfuck of joined servers to get a price check. I end up leaving all the servers and rejoining them again in a few days when I need another service done. If I had to choose, I would be supporting this decision but perhaps there is a better middleground for sellers and buyers.
     
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    I think there is a point to be made for Yes and No.

    Yes: 99% of all the threads are used to lure customers to a discord server, it becomes annoying at a certain point and devalues the use of sythe as a forum/blackmarket, if this were to pass I think it would be beneficial.

    No: It remains a free market and prices can change frequently.

    My vote would be Yes because IMO the prices of accounts don't change that much that often and it would overall be a better experience when trying to buy an account.
     
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