Reporting Soren as instructed by Entrr

[LoLAccounts]

Scammer's profile link: http://www.sythe.org/members/442014-soren.html

Explanation of the trade: I made a thread in the dicing section of the forums, titling my thread '$5 to the first reply' as in 'Betting $5 to the first reply'. I assumed anyone with proper competence in comprehending grammar would understand. http://www.sythe.org/showthread.php?p=14813793#post14813793

How they scammed: Soren(see profile link above), posted on my thread with a roll, and rolled less than me. Meaning I won. The user then added me on skype as I requested through PM only to tell me he wasn't going to pay because I didn't title my thread "properly", saying he assumed my thread was that of a giveaway. My title didn't have the words FREE or GIVEAWAY in it, therefore the only logical explanation is that it is a bet for $5. Yet the user chose to roll on my thread.

Sythe PM picture: http://i.imgur.com/10RvbjV.jpg

Skype profile ID & conversation pictures: See above for Skype profile ID.

Other relevant trade screenshots: There is no trade, it was a dicing bet for $5.

User is simply refusing to pay up.

 

In his defense, your thread is pretty unclear. I would've thought it was a giveaway too.

 

[LoLAccounts]

In my defense, anyone who's ever done a giveaway in this section has had the words 'giveaway' or 'free' in the title. Mine does not.

It stands clear that the thread isn't a giveaway as nothing about a giveaway or something being given away for free was specified ANYWHERE in the title or within the thread.

 

I don't know about that, I'd have to disagree. To me "$5 to the first reply" means you're giving $5 to the first person who replies. But I'd be happy to leave this open for another staff opinion just in case.

 

[LoLAccounts]

If you went to a gambling website, and played against someone who's offer was titled "$5000 to the first roller", would you, as they say; "YOLO" and roll, thinking you're given a chance at getting $5000 for free?

You end up losing, and you've now lost $5000.

My title is pretty much 'I am betting $5 to the first reply', without the 'I am betting' part, because the section and what it is used for speaks for itself.

EDIT:

Is it really that far fetched that I am to believe there is at least a miniscule amount of people who'd understand this from my perspective?

 

[Shin]

Based on the location of the thread and how you set it up, I'd say Soren owes you $5.

I don't see what's unclear. Had he not rolled in the original post I may have thought differently, but that's not the case here.

 

[LoLAccounts]

Based on the location of the thread and how you set it up, I'd say Soren owes you $5.

I don't see what's unclear. Had he not rolled in the original post I may have thought differently, but that's not the case here.

This is exactly what I am talking about. So many people are ready to jump the bandwagon because of what they believe to be the case, not what is contrary to the belief.

 

[LoLAccounts]

Didn't want to make a report over $5 in the first place, but seeing as I was instructed on doing so, that is what I did.

What's the verdict?

 

[Shin]

Shin has reported a private message.

Reason:

http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer/1853139-reporting-soren-instructed-entrr.html

Private Message (Sender: Soren) (ID: 8447203)

how do i reply to that thread? its not letting me, and as for why i rolled, the title makes it completely seem like a giveaway, and the majority of the people on the thread agree, i rolled because Zogre was first reply and asked 'Did I win' and lolaccounts replied saying 'no you gotta roll' its obvious here that Zogre thinks its a giveaway and lolaccounts never clarifies its a bet, so im thinking ok, zogre was the first to reply so he wins but he just has to roll higher than 4. at this point i was still confused (u can see by 'Wat' next to my roll) and as zogre didnt roll yet i thought i would, so i roll for fun thinking it would be irrelevant anyway, as zogre was the first to reply then was told to roll. After that i get a pm from him telling me to add him on skype which i did, told him i didnt want the $5 (thinking its a giveaway) and he told me 'Pay up or ur getting banned' and i was still in wtf mode at that point and asked him to pm a mod to confirm(i never 'refused' to pay him, just asked for a mods opinion, now superman agrees with me, you agree with him, now what) then he gives a biased view to entrr and then posts here.. It's pretty obvious the majority of the people in that thread thought it was a giveaway since it literally followed 0 of the rules you need to follow to make a bet... http://www.sythe.org/dice-competitions/1613862-dicing-rules-updated-12-8-13-sythe.html

I don't mean to insinuate, but with such a small roll by him I don't think your intentions of rolling were simply "for fun".

As for posting in the section, you only need to post a thread and it will be appended to the report accordingly.

-Shin

thats the thing, i assumed if he was making a bet he would of said hes making a bet then wait for someone else to roll. but he straight up rolled in the op thats why i thought u just gotta beat him to win $5 i even said 'Wat' next to my roll as i didnt even get what was going on. as for the 'for fun' intentions, i don't have paypal, my skrill is locked and i dont have an account on rs anymore so even if I 'won' and he wanted to pay me $5 i wouldnt have any way to collect and again would have told him to keep it, regardless of the roll, the majority of people were thinking it was a giveaway..

Assumptions are bad for business.

Based on what you've said, you rolled with the intention to win $5, which is exactly what the thread was intended for. Thank you for your honesty.

You should speak with them and see if you can work something out.

wait what am i missing something? win $5 as in hes giving $5 which is the whole point of the report as nobody understood if it was a giveaway or a bet

Meaning you thought if you rolled higher than him you would win $5, and if you rolled lower you would owe him $5.

i dont think thats what the word giveaway means.. as in he said '$5 to the first reply' meaning he's giving away $5 to whoever can roll higher than him.. ur not risking anything. thats also what the majority of people who posted on the thread was thinking

Hmm. I suppose I didn't think of it that way.

so what now? we wait for another mods opinion?

 

[Shin]

Final Verdict

• Neither party owes one another ("debt" from this dispute nullified/overruled).
• If a similar case presents itself for either user, they will be banned from the sub-forum for 1 month.
• For future reference, follow the rules listed here: http://www.sythe.org/dice-competitions/1613862-dicing-rules-updated-12-8-13-sythe.html

Rules:

• State your amount and conditions in your post, there's an example at the bottom of this post.
• Conditions are posted here, not agreed on Skype.
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• When calling a dice duel, the first person to roll is the only one to count, unless specified otherwise by the person proposing the dice duel.[/indent]
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