Remove the IRC Lounge {Read it All}

[Deacon Frost]

Ah, I predict this will start quite the conversation, and I look forward to it.

I will like to say pay attention, and read EVERYTHING you see here, or else you might miss something, and look like an idiot with a poorly written rebuttal.

The IRC has undergone several changes in ownership, and in style. It has been around for quite a while, and is used often by people seeking advancement in Sythe. It's not what you know, it's who you know in here, and if you're not active in the IRC, you'll rarely go anywhere unless you have respect from the head honchos. In fact, over half the people in power now would not be in power if it weren't for the IRC.

They used it to gain reputation, and thus exploited such until they were liked enough to grow. There's nothing wrong with this, it is how all corporations work, operate, and grow. You attend parties to learn about the people, you become liked, and you work your way up the rung.

However, when corruption is on your mind, working your way up the rung is the opposite of what is wanted by anyone. There are quite a few people who have power on this site, without having power, and the reason is the IRC. Nothing wrong with that, but when the intentions of such people are all but good, it is NOT a good thing.

Now, I've been with Sythe for over a year and a half, I've never had a scam report filed against me, I've never been in trouble slight the multiple flaming and spamming I've done. I've had over 2000 post count, and I've never shown any attempt to do wrong on this site.

I've stood by this, I've helped the admins of current and old in multiple decisions, I supported User Education to its end, and well beyond. I think I deserve a few minutes of your eyes.

Yes, I complain about corruption, I feel that it is despicable, and disgusting. Even when I'm in on the corruption, it is still sickening. It's a human aspect that is used far too often, and it NEVER leads to anything good.

I could make this a rant and rave about Verts, or about Shawn, but in all reality, it's not just them. Resident posted in the IRC lounge that the IRC has includes that allow the IRCops to see into private conversations, see passwords, and everything of the like.

Now Richard, let me ask you this, would you allow Shawn, or even Verts, or the multiple other people who randomly join this site to access your cPanel? You flipped out when someone got a hold of your database, well that's what the IRC is used for. I've been told some things about certain people who are recent IRCops, and are female, but I won't mention any names, and I won't say exactly what I've been told.


Lets just say that those in power in the IRC could scam any one of you at any time and get away with it. Especially the newest of the bunch. Certain people have access to passwords that are used on the forums as well as on the IRC, and they have EXPLOITED these passwords and logged into accounts of people who are in power. This gives them the prime opportunity to use the sythe accounts for all but good.


So I propose to you two options. 1. No longer support the IRC. It has been said many times that it is not Sythe.org, now let it truly not be sythe.org. 2. Remove the black market and everyone in power. Because all you're going to have is a huge fucking scam fest from those who were given trust for no reason.

I understand some people, like ex-admins, accessing accounts, but if these people have never actually been trusted here, and never will be trusted here, they should not be given that opportunity.

Sure, the possibility exists that it is all clean fun, but I'm sorry if I don't trust someone who hasn't earned any respect with my password, or yours for that matter. I refuse to trade with people because I never know if it's them or not. All of your Middlemen could have the same password on the IRC, and their accounts could easily be accessed as well.




Simply put, don't support this HORRID IRC any longer. If Resident will run away from it, you all should as well.


Now I know certain people in the IRC has a clan of followers, because they have something that all the prepubescent boys want, but don't let that affect your decision.


Make a sticky in the community general about not using the same forum password for the IRC, details on how to connect, and the rules used. Remove Shawn's power to moderate, and remove the forum all together. Neither should have any say, for all they are is corrupt.




So:



Remove IRC Lounge
Remove Shawn
Ban People who log into accounts that are not theirs.


Maybe then it won't look like you're supporting a future scam, because that's what's coming.


Thank you for your time.



EDIT: I'm not saying take control of the IRC. I'm saying make them COMPLETELY separate. Don't support it anymore. Shawn can control it for all I care, I just don't think Sythe should support the IRC if it's gonna be like this.

 

[juvenilepunk]

I do not agree with you, people will always find ways to get peoples
password and in every society of the world there is corrpution. Sure it is awful
but putting down the irc completely is not the right approach.

 

[Disturbed]

i call first reply.

FUCK YOU JP

anyway, some elements of this are true, but some are not. for example, i've got to be one of the oldest vets still on the irc, but nothing has ever come to me. like, ever. so yes, some people do recieve a lot of recognition (cough...seen any lobsters lately?) and i've watched them come and go.

it was "officially" sythe's irc when it was still richard and steve running it. then james came along (if my storyline is correct) and made things way cool (i've still got the marks). curt took it over for a while, then it went back to james. then to shawn.

so, it changed hands a few too many times, shawn not being more than a sectional when he got it (if he was anyhting at all). richard and steve are founders of the site, so they had a claim of legitimacy. james is a personal friend of steve's, and has extensive knowledge of stuff like irc. (plus he's sexy). curt was also an admin, albiet a liberal one (with too many ranks). but shawn. i've never heard of him prior to his debut to the irc not too long ago. from what i know he was a global during the cms days, but left shortly therafter.

and then came verts. she doesn't have any claim to sythe.org at all, other than perhaps being a legitimate female. but from the first time i knew her she had power in the irc. and for what reason? i've always suspected how she did it. i've been around for years, and only recently got halfop in #sythe. (go me, cus i aboose) how'd she do it? only she and shawn know. chantelle (aka samus) came back after a long hiatus, and even with her special relationship with shawn (which i probably ended hehe) could not weedle out how verts came to power. and i think it finally ended with shawn claiming that he "loved" giverny more than chantelle, which infuriated both her and i.

so the thesis is: how did she do it? why is she here? chrys won't let me in on his proof, but i've also suspected the same. also, why is shawn back? more importantly, why is he and verts amassing so much power behind the scenes?

that's my two cents, i love the irc and don't want it to go. but, i htink it needs to be cleaned up. shawn OWNS the irc, we can't kick him off of it. i wouldn't want to, he pays the bills lol. but verts has no legitimate anyhting anywhere, other than 32DD's (so she says)


pls don't zline me.

 

[Deacon Frost]

I do not agree with you, people will always find ways to get peoples
password and in every society of the world there is corrpution. Sure it is awful
but putting down the irc completely is not the right approach.

What do you mean?


You support scamming then?


If a zit needs removed, do you let it go away, or do you take the proper action in removing it?

 

[shakaka]

I support this fully.

I'm not accusing anybody, but if you're one of the higher-ups on the IRC, and you've done this, -1 respect.

You've been given the responsibility of being an oper on the irc, and you should respect your position, your fellow forum members, and their privacy.

 

[Jesse]

Wow. You take things way too seriously. If people want to be dumb and have the same password all around, let them. If people want to mess around, who cares? It's kind of fun if that person trusts them enough to let them on their account, well I think people should respect that decision and not care.

 

[Deacon Frost]

Wow. You take things way too seriously. If people want to be dumb and have the same password all around, let them. If people want to mess around, who cares? It's kind of fun if that person trusts them enough to let them on their account, well I think people should respect that decision and not care.

What decision? It's not their fault their passwords are being stolen, and used to log into highly powerful accounts, and use them for malicious means?


Scamming is a serious thing on Sythe, sir, and if you're not against it you support it?

 

[Eric]

Sythe shouldn't associate with the IRC.

 

[MCR__Ftw]

I support this. Yes some Opers that aren't responsible or immature could just log on almost anyone's account and do something which they shouldn't. Heck they shouldn't even be on the account in the first place. It's been made clear that the IRC isn't equal to Sythe.org. So why should there be a forum specifically for something that doesn't relate to Sythe.org?

 

[Jesse]

What decision? It's not their fault their passwords are being stolen, and used to log into highly powerful accounts, and use them for malicious means?


Scamming is a serious thing on Sythe, sir, and if you're not against it you support it?

I thought you were just talking about the mods, etc. letting people go on their accounts. My bad, misread (thinking about a game I have today). I think people should be intelligent enough to not have the same password. It's ridiculous. It's like my e-mail, public/private msn to all be the same as Sythe's.

 

[Deacon Frost]

I thought you were just talking about the mods, etc. letting people go on their accounts. My bad, misread (thinking about a game I have today). I think people should be intelligent enough to not have the same password. It's ridiculous. It's like my e-mail, public/private msn to all be the same as Sythe's.

Oh I agree. Using the same password, you're just asking for it. But that doesn't mean it should be supported.

It'd be like saying if you don't use an MM, we won't ban the guy who scammed you even if you have valid proof. It's ridiculous.

 

[wcer2552]

I do not agree with you, people will always find ways to get peoples
password and in every society of the world there is corrpution. Sure it is awful
but putting down the irc completely is not the right approach.

i agree getting rid of it is not right u should try and stop the scamming by adding more security not totally getting rid of the IRC!

 

[Deacon Frost]

i agree getting rid of it is not right u should try and stop the scamming by adding more security not totally getting rid of the IRC!

Did you read the full post?

There's plenty of security, it's being exploited by those who have power. Users are being hacked because they use the same password.

I say we don't support the IRC until all of this is fixed.

 

[Ballin Boi]

i agree getting rid of it is not right u should try and stop the scamming by adding more security not totally getting rid of the IRC!

It isn't something which we can add security...

No one on Sythe has anything to do with IRC security... it just makes you an idiot to use same password because the ops can look at your password.

 

[Serma]

I do not think it should be removed, If you are fucking stupid enough to put all this stuff in (http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=447956), And think that no one is going to use it out of curiosity, you're fucking retarded. It is human nature to be curious. I personally think the IRC is magnificent right now with the current opers and people running it. Shredder is the best Half op on the IRC, Verts is a wonderful Oper always willing to help people and never abusing, Shin is always there watching over things to make sure everything is working. Another thing, If you have the same password from IRC as Sythe.org,and know how to connect, im assuming you've read somewhere on how to connect, and you should know the rules `Sythe.org != IRC`. Therefore no one should be punished on sythe.org for something they have done on the IRC. This section should not be removed as it's been here since it's started. This website was originally a runescape cheating site, Should we remove the WoW boards and spam and chat and graphics forums?

 

[Deacon Frost]

I do not think it should be removed, If you are fucking stupid enough to put all this stuff in (http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=447956), And think that no one is going to use it out of curiosity, you're fucking retarded. It is human nature to be curious. I personally think the IRC is magnificent right now with the current opers and people running it. Shredder is the best Half op on the IRC, Verts is a wonderful Oper always willing to help people and never abusing, Shin is always there watching over things to make sure everything is working. Another thing, If you have the same password from IRC as Sythe.org,and know how to connect, im assuming you've read somewhere on how to connect, and you should know the rules `Sythe.org != IRC`. Therefore no one should be punished on sythe.org for something they have done on the IRC. This section should not be removed as it's been here since it's started. This website was originally a runescape cheating site, Should we remove the WoW boards and spam and chat and graphics forums?

You're way off track there buddy. You're in the right field, but still off.


The thing is, curiosity is not a good thing from people in power who are not trusted.

"Oh, I wonder if they used the same password"

"Oh I wonder if people will believe that I'm them"

"Oh I wonder if I could scam on this account"

"Oh, now I can't be banned, I was just curious".


Seriously, "curious" hacking is still hacking.


Verts has been accused of abusing multiple times by respectable people, and those threads are closed. I'm not talking about this.

I'm talking about the potential for abuse.


If we are to remain supporting the IRC, then the abilities these people have should be removed.


Till then, no IRC lounge.

 

[Fouisgras]

Are you out of your fucking mind? Are you implying that IRCops (services admin and above ONLY, might I add) intend to steal passwords and scam via the IRC?

Lets look at who has access to the spy power:

1. Shawn (former global mod)
2. Filefragg (admin still, right?)
3. Shin (current global mod)

These are people we can know and trust. I suggest you gtfo for good. And I mean FOR GOOD.

 

[Deacon Frost]

Are you out of your fucking mind? Are you implying that IRCops (services admin and above ONLY, might I add) intend to steal passwords and scam via the IRC?

Lets look at who has access to the spy power:

1. Shawn (former global mod)
2. Filefragg (admin still, right?)
3. Shin (current global mod)

These are people we can know and trust. I suggest you gtfo for good. And I mean FOR GOOD.

Verts? Buddy, there's proof against her >.>...

 

[ItsNate]

Ah, I predict this will start quite the conversation, and I look forward to it.

I will like to say pay attention, and read EVERYTHING you see here, or else you might miss something, and look like an idiot with a poorly written rebuttal.

The IRC has undergone several changes in ownership, and in style. It has been around for quite a while, and is used often by people seeking advancement in Sythe. It's not what you know, it's who you know in here, and if you're not active in the IRC, you'll rarely go anywhere unless you have respect from the head honchos. In fact, over half the people in power now would not be in power if it weren't for the IRC.

They used it to gain reputation, and thus exploited such until they were liked enough to grow. There's nothing wrong with this, it is how all corporations work, operate, and grow. You attend parties to learn about the people, you become liked, and you work your way up the rung.

I really fail to see how this happens; who in your mind has benefited from this?!?! I cant think of anyone to be honest...

However, when corruption is on your mind, working your way up the rung is the opposite of what is wanted by anyone. There are quite a few people who have power on this site, without having power, and the reason is the IRC. Nothing wrong with that, but when the intentions of such people are all but good, it is NOT a good thing.

This is not true, you basically stating that if you are active in the IRC you are going to get a mod position??? It is up to the staff, and even if you are active in the IRC doesn't mean your get a mod position... Who are you talking about in these above statements that has actually got a mod position this way?!?!

Now, I've been with Sythe for over a year and a half, I've never had a scam report filed against me, I've never been in trouble slight the multiple flaming and spamming I've done. I've had over 2000 post count, and I've never shown any attempt to do wrong on this site.

I've stood by this, I've helped the admins of current and old in multiple decisions, I supported User Education to its end, and well beyond. I think I deserve a few minutes of your eyes.

And you inserting this into the agruement of the IRC because....???

Yes, I complain about corruption, I feel that it is despicable, and disgusting. Even when I'm in on the corruption, it is still sickening. It's a human aspect that is used far too often, and it NEVER leads to anything good.

I could make this a rant and rave about Verts, or about Shawn, but in all reality, it's not just them. Resident posted in the IRC lounge that the IRC has includes that allow the IRCops to see into private conversations, see passwords, and everything of the like.

Now Richard, let me ask you this, would you allow Shawn, or even Verts, or the multiple other people who randomly join this site to access your cPanel? You flipped out when someone got a hold of your database, well that's what the IRC is used for. I've been told some things about certain people who are recent IRCops, and are female, but I won't mention any names, and I won't say exactly what I've been told.


Lets just say that those in power in the IRC could scam any one of you at any time and get away with it. Especially the newest of the bunch. Certain people have access to passwords that are used on the forums as well as on the IRC, and they have EXPLOITED these passwords and logged into accounts of people who are in power. This gives them the prime opportunity to use the sythe accounts for all but good.

Oh piss off, what a load of shit, MAINLY only IRC serv & netadmin can see access nickserv, which holds all the passwords, so you are stating that Shin, Shawn, Resident and/or Filefragg would scam ^ according to the above statement.

So I propose to you two options. 1. No longer support the IRC. It has been said many times that it is not Sythe.org, now let it truly not be sythe.org. 2. Remove the black market and everyone in power. Because all you're going to have is a huge fucking scam fest from those who were given trust for no reason.

I understand some people, like ex-admins, accessing accounts, but if these people have never actually been trusted here, and never will be trusted here, they should not be given that opportunity.

Sure, the possibility exists that it is all clean fun, but I'm sorry if I don't trust someone who hasn't earned any respect with my password, or yours for that matter. I refuse to trade with people because I never know if it's them or not. All of your Middlemen could have the same password on the IRC, and their accounts could easily be accessed as well.

At no point do i ever support scamming (you can ask anyone who knows me) but the fact of the matter is, if your an MM and your dumb even to have the same passwords, then its your own stupid fault, and you shouldn't be an MM in the first place. Seriously when are you going to stop blamming everyone else for stupid noobs who have the same password for everything they do?!?!

Simply put, don't support this HORRID IRC any longer. If Resident will run away from it, you all should as well.


Now I know certain people in the IRC has a clan of followers, because they have something that all the prepubescent boys want, but don't let that affect your decision.


Make a sticky in the community general about not using the same forum password for the IRC, details on how to connect, and the rules used. Remove Shawn's power to moderate, and remove the forum all together. Neither should have any say, for all they are is corrupt.




So:



Remove IRC Lounge
Remove Shawn
Ban People who log into accounts that are not theirs.


Maybe then it won't look like you're supporting a future scam, because that's what's coming.


Thank you for your time.



EDIT: I'm not saying take control of the IRC. I'm saying make them COMPLETELY separate. Don't support it anymore. Shawn can control it for all I care, I just don't think Sythe should support the IRC if it's gonna be like this.

If you take away the lounge and everything else, your going to get flooded with all the "unban me etc" relating to IRC. Deacon, i see your points, however i still see no "evidence" of your "claims". I'm starting to think this is just one big attention seeking adventure; since you have been unbanned.... again....

 

[Serma]

You're way off track there buddy. You're in the right field, but still off.


The thing is, curiosity is not a good thing from people in power who are not trusted.

"Oh, I wonder if they used the same password"

"Oh I wonder if people will believe that I'm them"

"Oh I wonder if I could scam on this account"

"Oh, now I can't be banned, I was just curious".


Seriously, "curious" hacking is still hacking.


Verts has been accused of abusing multiple times by respectable people, and those threads are closed. I'm not talking about this.

I'm talking about the potential for abuse.


If we are to remain supporting the IRC, then the abilities these people have should be removed.


Till then, no IRC lounge.

Shin abuses powers more than Verts. Constantly killing people and such, he's still a good person. Although I'd have to say Resi is the most abusing. People respect Verts not because she's a girl (Although I do think she deserves respect for not being a myspace whore TiiPiiNG LiiKE DiiS), But because she is helpful and does not abuse, You were banned for being an asshole, which you deserved.