Regarding Offical Middle Man Applications..

[Magic Arrow]

FFS read the thread. Numerous reasons were brought up to redo the system. It was old, outdated, too many people had gotten around it and it was time for a change. When the original application process came out, mills were at $15-$20 each. Do the maths, that's more than $40-50. The price of mills simply dropped. Do you see now why it was so easy to get around the system?

Outdated? Yes. Here is how the new system contradicts itself. We had not seen a new OMM in about a year, so what do we do? We give a couple of staff members the position, make it 5x harder and expect people to complete them.

Btw, in February 2007, I clearly remember mills being sold at $3 each. That's $36 for the highest requirement. NOW, tell me how we go from needing 5*$36 to 5*$50 + 5*$100 + 3*$200. $180 and $1350 is a huge difference whichever way you look at it.

Accept the way it's done now is wrong.

 

[Darkgroove]

Outdated? Yes. Here is how the new system contradicts itself. We had not seen a new OMM in about a year, so what do we do? We give a couple of staff members the position, make it 5x harder and expect people to complete them.

Btw, in February 2007, I clearly remember mills being sold at $3 each. That's $36 for the highest requirement. NOW, tell me how we go from needing 5*$36 to 5*$50 + 5*$100 + 3*$200. $180 and $1350 is a huge difference whichever way you look at it.

Accept the way it's done now is wrong.

First of all, there was a reason we had not seen a new OMM in a year, because I, Giddy and unb4nn3d were the only ones that weren't banned that completed the application. Do you know why me and Giddy got the position? Because even though there were officials, people were still coming to us over the others to MM their trades. Because we had proven ourselves worthy of the position, and because we were the most trusted MM's there.

I'm not talking about 2007 sassy pants, sythe has been around a lot longer than then.

The current system IS NOT WRONG. It may be flawed, and I was one of the only staff members to vote against this application process, so I know. However, it is not wrong. You can either accept that, or waste your time complaining about it, pissing me off and having me go off and forum ban people for making vouch threads.

 

[Sin666]

Also,

Applicant: Sin666
Application Created: 9/11/2006 (closed ~10/18/2006)
Application Re-Opened: 2/13/2007
Status: Complete as of 02/28/07

It took me a month to get within two trades of completing my application. Then, even after being gone for 4 months, it only took another two weeks to find my last two 12m+ trades. Had I MM'ed paypal/mills, I probably could have finished sooner.

My highest trade was maybe 60m, and as soon I finished the app, people were asking me to do phat trades. Is that what you want to go back to? Keep in mind, Mage Pker - who only pursued his application to get rank and scam - did his ('her') application alongside mine, and was also accepted around the same time. Whatever the MM app once was, it was too easy, and long outdated, even before BH.

 

[Feren Silver]

I've recently had a rise in the amount of people asking me to MM for them and complaining that other officials aren't on to do the trade. This is the time you ALL as trusted, untrusted, unofficial, whatever need to stand up and take the trades that we are unable to fill.

You're just pointing out the problem we've been facing. We get the low MM's (which are fine, til we need higher proofs). You guys get the higher MM's and when you don't want to take them we can't step in a take them over.

Anyways, I don't believe the 25 MM's is the hardest part of the application. You quite underestimate the other part of the application.

How can I judge the other part of the application? If the first part is near impossible to complete why bother even pondering the second part?

FFS read the thread. Numerous reasons were brought up to redo the system. It was old, outdated, too many people had gotten around it and it was time for a change. When the original application process came out, mills were at $15-$20 each. Do the maths, that's more than $40-50. The price of mills simply dropped. Do you see now why it was so easy to get around the system?

Can I please have time frame when they were that high? I remember when Viper was working on him OMM application and mills were still around $4-$6.

Also,



It took me a month to get within two trades of completing my application. Then, even after being gone for 4 months, it only took another two weeks to find my last two 12m+ trades. Had I MM'ed paypal/mills, I probably could have finished sooner.

My highest trade was maybe 60m, and as soon I finished the app, people were asking me to do phat trades. Is that what you want to go back to? Keep in mind, Mage Pker - who only pursued his application to get rank and scam - did his ('her') application alongside mine, and was also accepted around the same time. Whatever the MM app once was, it was too easy, and long outdated, even before BH.

Why not find a common ground between the old one being too easy and this one being too hard? All I'm asking is for it to be challenging but realistically obtainable.

 

[Beliar]

This is obtainable, don't work on your post count, try to gain users respect and trust. In my opinion new requirements are good, you work hard on it to be OMM, previous reqs were really easy to face, now if you would complete your application and scam somebody that would be a big wast of time you spent on your app. If you cannot face them, how you will face big amount of users that need a OMM everyday? It's not that easy job and it becomes boring.

 

[Sin666]

That was mostly at Magic Arrow. The point is, the old application shouldn't be the basis for comparison. With all the changes to RS, prices, this site, and the introduction of other markets, it's irrelevant.

All I'm interested in is what numbers people think are fair now.

Current:

* 10 trades for anything up to $50.
* 5 trades for anything between $50.00 and $100.
* 5 trades for anything at or over $100.
* 3 trades for anything over $200.

Magic Arrow's suggestion

*10 Trades involving pins.
*8 Trades Up to $50
*5 Trades between $50 and $100
*2 Trades Over $100

My response to MA's figures: too restrictive. With the market expansion, pin trades should no longer be a specific requirement.

Also, remember that the 8 trades up to $50 is nothing, since you're counting $5 trades in that. That's why there's 10 of them at the bottom of the scale in the current system.

 

[I Sell I]

Pin trades shouldn't even be considered a trade.

Here's my suggestion;

- 10 Trades up to $50
- 10 Trades between $50-100
- 5 Trades over $100

 

[Sorry Im F2P]

yer ive given up trying to become OMM...

not many people doin massive trades and dont want to use people like me...

wud of loved to get it tho

 

[imxtoeknee]

Bahahahhahahahhahaa. :love:

On topic:
Since I am an 'active MM', would I be allowed then to make any suggestions to update the current MM'ing process?

I'm not sure exactly what could be edited, however, as I kind of like how the process is now. However, for some things it may be difficult to decide which amount of money things go under.
IE: Account for Account Swap

Fin told me... account swaps are considered as less than $50 trades... no matter how good the account is.

But seriously, how many OMM can say that they are active and doing MMs... like seriously...

Also so many people are asking "OMM" only... because they know OMMs don't even any MM anymore... and they are actually scammers.

 

[Sin666]

Also so many people are asking "OMM" only... because they know OMMs don't even any MM anymore... and they are actually scammers.

This cannot be fixed, and has been a problem since the beginning of time. >.> If OMM's were available, the scam would simply change to, "I don't trust the OMM's - look at 'insertnamehere'".

 

[SuF]

If you would like to change anything, put the 3 - 200 buck requirements to one $250 trade.... Then you just need to find one person to trade $250... And I think that makes you more trustworthy than three $200 buck trade....

 

[Kadaj]

SuF babes <3

But, if people aren't trusting any person going for OMM with $200, where would people get that $250 trade from? -Sniffle-

 

[Darkgroove]

You're just pointing out the problem we've been facing. We get the low MM's (which are fine, til we need higher proofs). You guys get the higher MM's and when you don't want to take them we can't step in a take them over.

What do you mean I don't want to take them. The problem is that I'm not at the PC to take the, when they're looking for a trade.

Can I please have time frame when they were that high? I remember when Viper was working on him OMM application and mills were still around $4-$6.

For you then...

Darkboob - Official MM says:
*what's the highest you've ever seen mills?
***Mat**** says:
*2B
Darkboob - Official MM says:
*hm??
*no he price per mill
*the*
***Mat**** says:
*oh
*back when it was like $30/mill
Darkboob - Official MM says:
*yeah what year was that?
***Mat**** says:
*probably 2005-06

 

[Magic Arrow]

How about we take small steps then? How about we archive the MMing services section, and use for requesting MM's. That way, we are more likely to find MM's and get them done.

 

[Feren Silver]

This is obtainable, don't work on your post count, try to gain users respect and trust. In my opinion new requirements are good, you work hard on it to be OMM, previous reqs were really easy to face, now if you would complete your application and scam somebody that would be a big wast of time you spent on your app. If you cannot face them, how you will face big amount of users that need a OMM everyday? It's not that easy job and it becomes boring.

Who are you to come in here and tell me there are obtainable? Honestly have a productive thought before you come posting here. You're telling me, because it takes me "X" times longer than the previous OMM's I'm less likely to scam?

So I say, please shut up and stay out of my thread and let people who have productive thoughts count. You honestly just compiled statements made here and reposted them. So please, don't tell me I'm working on my post count, if it's anyone it's you.

What do you mean I don't want to take them. The problem is that I'm not at the PC to take the, when they're looking for a trade.


For you then...

Alright, but then you're saying the OMM's that made it through recently (not questioning their credibility) just got lucky? I was here when Viper was MMing and GP wasn't $30/m. I honestly don't really remember a time frame (possibly in RSC since I wasn't a part of Black Market trading).

That was mostly at Magic Arrow. The point is, the old application shouldn't be the basis for comparison. With all the changes to RS, prices, this site, and the introduction of other markets, it's irrelevant.

All I'm interested in is what numbers people think are fair now.

Well, you know where my vote falls. But when I tried to include RuneScape into OMM applications, HeavenLord was quick to tell me "OMM Applications aren't RuneScape only."

Why should the whole application be changed for one game if the application "covers more than RuneScape?" I'm fairly sure if they cracked down in something like the Xbox market was changed that the whole application process wouldn't change.

 

[HeavenLord]

Well, you know where my vote falls. But when I tried to include RuneScape into OMM applications, HeavenLord was quick to tell me "OMM Applications aren't RuneScape only."

Why should the whole application be changed for one game if the application "covers more than RuneScape?" I'm fairly sure if they cracked down in something like the Xbox market was changed that the whole application process wouldn't change.

The thing is that Middlemen apply to all aspects of trading in this forum which is a problem because people who want middlemen for less used games i.e. (steam, maplestory, habbo, WoW) have a hard time finding officials to fit their specific gaming needs. But since the majority of Sythe users came here primarily on the basis of runescape, we rarely have to deal with those situations. My proposal would be an additional requirement for middlemen to specialize in at least 2 different games besides Runescape so that way we can have a wider variety of games that middlemen can cover.

In reply to your post though, Middlemen application requirements should not conform to fit Runescape needs, so the applications should not be adjusted by changing them to (pin trades, account trades, etc.) they should remain as costs (5 trades of $50 or more, etc.). I am however working on a revision draft of the application requirements and will post my results when I deem it a good standard for those applying to be MM.

Also I cannot stress this enough to other users:
OFFICIAL MIDDLEMEN APPLICATIONS DO NOT ONLY APPLY TO RUNESCAPE

 

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How about we take small steps then? How about we archive the MMing services section, and use for requesting MM's. That way, we are more likely to find MM's and get them done.

How about...you just stfu kid.

 

[Feren Silver]

The thing is that Middlemen apply to all aspects of trading in this forum which is a problem because people who want middlemen for less used games i.e. (steam, maplestory, habbo, WoW) have a hard time finding officials to fit their specific gaming needs. But since the majority of Sythe users came here primarily on the basis of runescape, we rarely have to deal with those situations. My proposal would be an additional requirement for middlemen to specialize in at least 2 different games besides Runescape so that way we can have a wider variety of games that middlemen can cover.

In reply to your post though, Middlemen application requirements should not conform to fit Runescape needs, so the applications should not be adjusted by changing them to (pin trades, account trades, etc.) they should remain as costs (5 trades of $50 or more, etc.). I am however working on a revision draft of the application requirements and will post my results when I deem it a good standard for those applying to be MM.

Also I cannot stress this enough to other users:
OFFICIAL MIDDLEMEN APPLICATIONS DO NOT ONLY APPLY TO RUNESCAPE

Well, on the first part (the red part): You've now just limited the crop for potential OMM's by adding more restrictions.

Second part: Do you then agree that the requirements should have not been changed from the original one. Considering the application did conform to the RuneScape market.

How about...you just stfu kid.

lolwut?

 

[Darkgroove]

Who are you to come in here and tell me there are obtainable? Honestly have a productive thought before you come posting here. You're telling me, because it takes me "X" times longer than the previous OMM's I'm less likely to scam?

Yes, if you scam then all that effort was for nothing. Honestly, you don't get that many people asking you to do trades anymore. I get the rare 3-4 people a week.

Alright, but then you're saying the OMM's that made it through recently (not questioning their credibility) just got lucky? I was here when Viper was MMing and GP wasn't $30/m. I honestly don't really remember a time frame (possibly in RSC since I wasn't a part of Black Market trading).

Do you realise that the market hasn't revolved around Viper's MMing, nor has it revolved around your time here. April 2005 this forum backtracks, Runecms goes back to 2003 (I believe).

Well, you know where my vote falls. But when I tried to include RuneScape into OMM applications, HeavenLord was quick to tell me "OMM Applications aren't RuneScape only." .

Because they aren't.

Why should the whole application be changed for one game if the application "covers more than RuneScape?" I'm fairly sure if they cracked down in something like the Xbox market was changed that the whole application process wouldn't change.

Because the game the forum was based around had a sudden shift. We are bringing in users from other games now (WoW, some people stay for the steam market) and the system had to be adapted to suit Middlemanning on a whole, not just for runescape.

 

[Feren Silver]

Yes, if you scam then all that effort was for nothing. Honestly, you don't get that many people asking you to do trades anymore. I get the rare 3-4 people a week.

So, basically what you're saying is that time will sap the will to scam out of a potential OMM because it takes so much longer than old OMM's? I still think that's unfair that the standards were changed based on old members messing up.

Do you realise that the market hasn't revolved around Viper's MMing, nor has it revolved around your time here. April 2005 this forum backtracks, Runecms goes back to 2003 (I believe).

That's not the point I'm trying to make. I'm just saying that his proofs were clearly when GP wasn't '$30/m'. When did I say the market revolved around me?

Because the game the forum was based around had a sudden shift. We are bringing in users from other games now (WoW, some people stay for the steam market) and the system had to be adapted to suit Middlemanning on a whole, not just for runescape.

So because the application was changed when the site was almost all RuneScape based, it won't be changed now? I honestly don't see how the system was adapted to the community. I mean you subtracted pin sales and added under $50 trades?