Race And Intelligence.

[xOneDown]

This is incredibly racist. If you've taken a basic Psychology course, you would know that correlation does not equal causation. For example, if patients are given marijuana as a "medicine" and are tested for a loss of brain cells, having that loss wouldn't necessarily mean anything. It could have been caused by a chemical they have breathed in, something else they had partaken in (drinking, certain types of pills/other drugs, etc.). My (and everyone else's) point is that all you're doing is taking a correlation which leaves out EVERYTHING but race and acting as if race is the only possible cause of differing IQs. It's stupid, and it's making you look terrible.

 

[Insidious Insinuations]

It's an important subject and popular one in newscience mostly. There's a huge difference between the races & intelligence, what's the affects that caused it? And I would like to know your views on this subject, I'm begin called ''racist'' every time I bring this topic up even though I just state a fact.

The differences seem to correlate more to societal causes and not directly racial. Certain races are more subject to certain environmental factors - e.g. Africans and poverty, South Asians and family/cultural expectations, Asians and stress/pressure to succeed etc. Those are generalizations but I'm sure you get the point.

No, it's culture and work ethic. I am Australian - i go to school, play sports, socialize, slack around, life of leisure. My Asian Australian friend, goes to school, studies, plays sport, studies, sticks with his family and their networks during the weeekend and yea..

No such thing as multi-culturalism thats for sure lol.

I don't get how culture affects intelligence. Do you know what intelligence means?

Science still isn't sure if your parents' IQ directly affects yours; what makes you think a bunch of teens on this forum can determine if their race will?

i don't think race has anything to do with intelligence that doesn't even make sense. how does the culture and skin color of a person relate to their brain. A White,Mexican,Black,Indian and Asian person all are human and are equal. i think the environment a person is placed in has a huge effect on the mentality or mindset of a person but not his intelligence. that statement is pretty racist though . and why do you think race and intelligence have a big relationship?

btw i think this should've been in the Something For All section

Your race determines many biological traits. Your brain is a part of your anatomy isn't it? It's called epidemiology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

Different people have different innate physical abilities. Not everybody can be Stephen Hawking, nor everybody Usain Bolt. People often confuse race, which has become something of an archaic term, and ethnicity, which heavily revolves around culture. I don't know that any ethnic intelligence gaps exist, but if they do, I would suspect they would be based on the ineptness of the test itself rather than that of the subject.

This.

Basing intelligence off race IS racist.

It isn't if it's true. I'm not saying it is, I don't think it is but to say that is wrong and you're being too PC.

This is incredibly racist. If you've taken a basic Psychology course, you would know that correlation does not equal causation. For example, if patients are given marijuana as a "medicine" and are tested for a loss of brain cells, having that loss wouldn't necessarily mean anything. It could have been caused by a chemical they have breathed in, something else they had partaken in (drinking, certain types of pills/other drugs, etc.). My (and everyone else's) point is that all you're doing is taking a correlation which leaves out EVERYTHING but race and acting as if race is the only possible cause of differing IQs. It's stupid, and it's making you look terrible.

Two words: control groups.

 

[djinn]

you havnt used anything to support the topic so far but "facts" about blacks and whites. im saying include some statement of opinion or ever facts on why you believe race and intelligence have such a strong bond.

A logical one is the black kids that were adopted and lived in a peaceful environment even though they still had lower IQ than the white people during a study of 400+ adopted kids. It's not coincidence. Another one is a study of twins and how close they are to each others IQ, very close actually.

 

[djinn]

Yeah, we do want that evidence. We want you to cite your moronic, bigoted argument with legitimate, unbiased sources.

You're aryan? Cool! Can you teach me urdu? What are your views on kashmir?

Well, I didn't knew evidence of there are a great gap between races when it comes to IQ was needed actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_Global_Inequality There you go, you denied it.

I'm aryan, but I'm persian.

 

[Insidious Insinuations]

A logical one is the black kids that were adopted and lived in a peaceful environment even though they still had lower IQ than the white people during a study of 400+ adopted kids. It's not coincidence. Another one is a study of twins and how close they are to each others IQ, very close actually.

Sources please?

 

[Govind]

Go read any introductory anthropology textbook, even the most recently published ones, and they will ALL state that there is NO correlation between race and intelligence. It's a well known fact that most real anthropologists consider Rushton and Lynn charlatans.

 

[djinn]

Sources please?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1520-iq-is-inherited-suggests-twin-study.html

 

[kill dank]

http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf

http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race.pdf

I think anyone who says race has nothing to do with intelligence or actions, should look at those. Especially the first one.

 

[Billetes]

A logical one is the black kids that were adopted and lived in a peaceful environment even though they still had lower IQ than the white people during a study of 400+ adopted kids. It's not coincidence. Another one is a study of twins and how close they are to each others IQ, very close actually.

You have to take in consideration the effects of being adopted has on the children, especially when they're a different race than the parents. Maybe they are not being fully accepted by extended family? If you take even the simplest psychology course you will understand that you have to take into consideration ALL factors that could alter your result, and categorize every single bit of data into different sections. Your poor research and claims leads me to believe that you seem to think you are superior because of your "race". The whole concept of "race" is flawed in my opinion, but that's another issue.

 

[Govind]

Besides, innate differences in abilities reflect individual variation within population, not inherent differences between them. Comparing populations based on the results of IQ tests is a misuse of testing procedures. There's no convincing evidence whatsoever that populations vary in their cognitive abilities, regardless of what some popular books may suggest. Unfortunately, racist attitudes towards intelligence continue to flourish, despite the lack of evidence of mental inferiority of some populations and mental superiority of others and despite the questionable validity of intelligence tests.

The above quote is from Essentials of Physical Anthropology, a first-year anthro textbook used by most universities in North America.

The Bell Curve is a popular book, but it is NOT an academic book and cannot be used as a reliable source for anything.

 

[djinn]

You have to take in consideration the effects of being adopted has on the children, especially when they're a different race than the parents. Maybe they are not being fully accepted by extended family? If you take even the simplest psychology course you will understand that you have to take into consideration ALL factors that could alter your result, and categorize every single bit of data into different sections. Your poor research and claims leads me to believe that you seem to think you are superior because of your "race". The whole concept of "race" is flawed in my opinion, but that's another issue.

Don't you think the doctors who went through this study have better glasses than you do? This study got a lot of critics aswell - you can find their answers if you search.

 

[Billetes]

Don't you think the doctors who went through this study have better glasses than you do? This study got a lot of critics aswell - you can find their answers if you search.

Did you even read the link you posted? Nowhere does it take in consideration even the most simple control factors.

 

[djinn]

Did you even read the link you posted? Nowhere does it take in consideration even the most simple control factors.

That's Wikipedia my friend. There are science based websites that brings this topic up. :love:

 

[Govind]

I'll hazard a guess that Djinn and other proponents of the Race/Intelligence relation have no knowledge or real interest in human genetics, anthropology, or science in general, and are merely trying to push their own point of view without even understanding the subject.

Take an introductory anthro course or read the first few pages of a textbook, then tell me if you still believe that Race and Intelligence are related.

The second article you linked, Djinn, doesn't contradict the quote I posted from the textbook. Incidentally, this entire thread is people flinging random articles and web pages at each other. Not much of a discussion, really.

 

[Billetes]

That's Wikipedia my friend. There are science based websites that brings this topic up. :love:

sources please?
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I'll hazard a guess that Djinn and other proponents of the Race/Intelligence relation have no knowledge or real interest in human genetics, anthropology, or science in general, and are merely trying to push their own point of view without even understanding the subject.

Take an introductory anthro course or read the first few pages of a textbook, then tell me if you still believe that Race and Intelligence are related.

The second article you linked, Djinn, doesn't contradict the quote I posted from the textbook. Incidentally, this entire thread is people flinging random articles and web pages at each other. Not much of a discussion, really.

Also this.

 

[Divine_God]

I believe that there can be differences in intelligence relating to ethnicity.

Intelligence is a mixture of environment and genetic predisposition. As evolution goes, the more intelligent the human being, the more chance of a human being surviving.


Genetically, humans are so close on an evolutionary time scale to one another that the difference in IQ is due 99.9% to culture and genetic predisposition.

That being said, yes but you can't attribute this to someone you know.

 

[Li0n]

It's an important subject and popular one in newscience mostly. There's a huge difference between the races & intelligence, what's the affects that caused it? And I would like to know your views on this subject, I'm begin called ''racist'' every time I bring this topic up even though I just state a fact.

You haven't actually differed between any race, so not racist?

Also, if you did state facts.. Facts don't lie. So being accused of racism is just because the noobs you are talking to are naive and dumb.

 

[djinn]

I'll hazard a guess that Djinn and other proponents of the Race/Intelligence relation have no knowledge or real interest in human genetics, anthropology, or science in general, and are merely trying to push their own point of view without even understanding the subject.

Take an introductory anthro course or read the first few pages of a textbook, then tell me if you still believe that Race and Intelligence are related.

The second article you linked, Djinn, doesn't contradict the quote I posted from the textbook. Incidentally, this entire thread is people flinging random articles and web pages at each other. Not much of a discussion, really.

I'm actually interested in the topic and want to learn more. I'm taking my master science in engineering right now, so Biology is something I read after school, like a hobby. And my english is not the best, so I find it easier to take it in my native language since we hardly use English now. But you're wrong, I've read a lot of topics about this subject, e.g the book MENSA recommends and few others.

 

[djinn]

sources please?
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Also this.

"Cognitive abilities - aspects of structure, process, and measurement''

 

[restless]

I don't get how culture affects intelligence. Do you know what intelligence means?

Science still isn't sure if your parents' IQ directly affects yours; what makes you think a bunch of teens on this forum can determine if their race will?

Your race determines many biological traits. Your brain is a part of your anatomy isn't it? It's called epidemiology. .

Of course culture affects intelligence you total moronic bigot. If you're brought up in some scumbag community do you think you can perform well on psychometric evaluations, make rational, logical decisions etc - i highly doubt it as your surrounds will influence your development, emotional intelligence, ability to learn and handle complex tasks blah blah blah. The reason why there is this perception is predominant black communities have a poorer health & education system - hence less intelligent people populate these areas because of these surroundings.

If you were to take a BLACK BABY and put it in a well established community (black/white/purple whatever just well established) or a WHITE BABY and put it into a "black" or downright shitkickin community generally speaking you would find the same thing in respect of intelligence (emotional, psychometric).

As far as learning languages - you have a language acquisition device which basically gets turned on if you are bilingual (2-5 years). You can learn more languages better, faster afterwards supposedly.

As far as I.Q goes - I believe it is nature and nurture. You inherit certain factors about your parents and how you have been brought up plays a large role.

Source; 2 years studying Neuroscience at 1 of the top universities in the world, 2 years Biomedical Science.

K thnx bai.

oh and epidemiology is the study of fucken disease dickhead.
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