Where is he?, I don't see him. The fact that you can't prove his existence, disproves it.
Thats how I think anyway.
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Where is he?, I don't see him. The fact that you can't prove his existence, disproves it.
Thats how I think anyway.
Well I believe your getting somewhere with this,although noone has any proof to budge the argument any which way.In such no one wins because no one is sure which side is right. Me I dont believe but dont let stop or damper my answer to this situation. I just have seen no relevant proof that there is a god =\ sorry all you believers. Everything has so far been proven.
Except for the fact that whether hallucination, dream, or false reality, you're still somewhere on this Earth. I mean, it's not like life itself just popped out of the air .. Unless it did .. Then it would be true that there was no God, or supernatural being of any sort, but that would be highly improbable .. NOT IMPOSSIBLE, but then again, who's to prove that that happened? Everything is born from something else, so would it be possible that life was born from a Supernatural being, or God?
Alas, the slight ignorance of others has finally led to the misleading of a sentence, which was what I was kind of hoping for! :]
My post was, or as I meant it to be, a type of backup for the information and opinion that I have given in earlier post. Whether supernatural being, most considered to be 'God', was what created the universe, explanation was TRYING to be given on my part, as to evidence of how it could have been God/a God who indeed did create the universe.
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Actually, I do believe that to be considered complex, it would have to consist of two or more parts, being brought together as one.
Complex: A whole composed of various interrelated parts.
As the definition reads, the complexity of a whole, whether material or not, item would need two or more elements to be considered "complex". If not, then those who call it complex would be quite wrong, as the correct phrase would be "Simple". :]
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you cant see alot of things, but that doesnt mean there not real.
Take wind. You cannot see it, but yet it is there.
Also gravity.
Also air.
Etc.
Exactly, I am you aint i?.
You've probably seen pictures of a God, but you've also seen pictures of Pluto. Now, you've never seen Pluto up close, nor have you seen God up close. So, now you're saying Pluto isn't real!?
Come on, people. Use your brain, ask questions, and think before you type ..
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You've probably seen pictures of a God, but you've also seen pictures of Pluto. Now, you've never seen Pluto up close, nor have you seen God up close. So, now you're saying Pluto isn't real!?
Come on, people. Use your brain, ask questions, and think before you type ..
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♀Alien♀ said:
Life didn't just "pop out of the air". I don't think that anybody is seriously trying to claim that.
Alien said:
Ah, ok, I see what you mean.
Alien said:
There's a difference between photographs of Pluto that have been confirmed by tens of thousands of amateur astronomers and an illustration of God.
Never know, Shredder. People are trying to find every way to become known, nowadays ..
Are you being sarcastic, or do you actually understand what I'm trying to say?
That may be true, but does the lack of proof, or the fact that there is no visual record of God/a God disprove him? Tens of thousands of astronomers claim that Pluto is real, but millions of people claim that God/a God is real. Of course, that doesn't make that certain supernatural being real, but it would be something to think about! :]
The fact that I can't see something up close doesn't mean that it isn't there. I'm sure you agree with this statement, but still .. It would be ignorant to assume that there are no supernatural beings, or God(s), without hearing the other side of the story .. Which not only is addressed to those I am in conversation with, but all who reads my post. :]
♀Alien♀ said:
Too true.
Alien said:
I do understand, but I don't think that a specifically intelligent God is necessary.
Alien said:
It doesn't logically disprove it, just like the absence of evidence for a teapot orbiting Saturn does not disprove that.
The astronomers that claim that Pluto is real have photographs, satellite confirmation, etc. Those that claim God is real do just that: They claim it.
Although, millions of children all across the world claim that Santa is real, too. Perhaps that is something to be considered?
Alien said:
True, God is still logically possible, just very unlikely.
'Logic' is that of which humans believe to be correct.
If something makes 'logical sense' it means the person who states that understands what was said, and can see how it would work.
Humans do not know everything, we cant say why so many aboriginals "totems" come into play exactly at the moment of an important event.
We cannot explain why all of an aboriginals relatives - who had absolutely no contact with her, and probably thought she was dead - decided to go meet her at the train station when they didnt know she was coming.
There are so many things that have happened that 'logic' cannot explain, and generally we pass it off as a mere 'co-incidence'.
Le_Dark_Lord said:
Logic is just so. 1 + 1 = 2, square circles are logically impossible, etc. From these premises of logic we can establish so much more, including the entirety of what modern philosophers consider to be "logic". Do not attempt to trivialize it, or say that it's just something that humans came up with. Logic is universal, and absolute.
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Logic is reason. Does killing gay people seem reasonable? From what science tells us, you can't change a gay person, a gay person's brain is different from a straight person's brain. And if God made humans and constructed their brains, then that means he is basically punishing us for his own blunder. People do not choose to be gay, they are born like that. So why would God throw gay people in hell? He doesn't, God's reason that you read about in the Bible was created by men hundreds of years ago who were homophobic and thought that people were gay because they wanted to be gay. So they tried to change that by writing about it in the Bible, but obviously that doesn't work because we still have gay people today.
hundreds of years ago children did not have a choice in wether or not they choose to be gay.
People of this era are often gay, because they have felt pain from the opposite sex, abused, or at some point mentally unstable. If we as humans, are gay, and this is condition of the brain, why don't we see animals often being gay?
The problem is that logic is universal, outside our universe it is completely unreasonable to believe that our logic still applies. If you wish to come up with unviersal truths that is alright with me, but discussing something that existed outside our universe, you cannot simply use the same logic.
Homosexuality displayed in the first link seems more link a chance of seeing something that our culture would see as "gay".
"Male killer whales riding on dorsal fin" - that doesn't seem gay as it seems a random chance of seeing this happen.
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have you ever had 2 male dogs together in the same area? I have two rotweilers in a fenced in yard, and they often mount each other.
Now, you might be saying this does not make them gay. But there has to be something there.
Also, they are doing studies on where the x and y chromosome often have different combinations on them if someone is gay. Also if someone is bi. Pure coincidence? i believe not.
Now, you might be saying this does not make them gay. But there has to be something there.
Also, they are doing studies on where the x and y chromosome often have different combinations on them if someone is gay. Also if someone is bi. Pure coincidence? i believe not.
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What about the other stuff, such as two male penguins acting as if they were mates?
Ach, no, by definition, God does not oppose homosexuality. Even if he did, he could oppose it privately, and allow us to carry on with our lives.
Iminess, you say that God does not exist since he does not agree with the concept of homosexuality, but I'm pretty sure that written down somewhere, it says that God was the reason and creator of life. Solely, the reason and creator. Once you come out of your mother, however, he gives you your own life to live. Whether or not you choose to like/be homosexual is your choice and your choice alone.
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