Proof Requirement

[Yousuckv2]

This may be a hassle, but it could also be basis for a lot of scam prevention in the future.

When going through a lot of scam reports, it seems that more than often the scammer didn't show evidence of stock/the goods they're selling.

What i'm suggesting is that in all forms of market it should be a requirement for the person to show evidence of what they're selling.

There's really very few forms of sales where the seller cannot provide proof of the product's existence, of course services such as account training, fire capes/torsos, etc could be one, but even then, after a while the owner of the service could update his thread with pictures of services completed for users.

Example;
Gold->Show proof of stock
Accounts->There's already a requirement for this.
Glitches-> Show some form of video evidence or picture evidence of results or effects if at all possible without giving away how the glitch is done, or be required to show evidence to a sythe.org staff member.
Programs-> Be required to show effects of program

While i'm sure this happens in all sections of the market, I see it happen rather often here:
http://www.sythe.org/runescape-private-server-markets/
As this is the section that relates to me most since I regularly play RSPS and therefore am more up to date on the occurences/rates.

I think this could help weed out legitimate sellers from fraudulent/ban evading sellers quite easily, as the fake ones will be more inclined to either fake pictures (which most people will be able to tell) or re-use pictures that belong/belonged to someone else, which 8/10 times a usual goer of that specific section will be able to recognize from another thread. It will also discourage illegitimate sellers from attempting to scam.

 

[Cas]

Gold->Show proof of stock

Le please not.
This would mean all goldsellers need an up-to-date picture in their thread, yah no thanks.

Might be a good idea in theory, but I can't see this working for goldsales.
If you can't trust the guy that's selling gold, let them go first or use a MM is what I'd say. There is plenty of free/lowcost MM's out there. No need to make a rule about that.

Glitches/programs and such are none of my business, so can't talk about that.

Cheers!

 

[Yousuckv2]

Le please not.
This would mean all goldsellers need an up-to-date picture in their thread, yah no thanks.

Might be a good idea in theory, but I can't see this working for goldsales.
If you can't trust the guy that's selling gold, let them go first or use a MM is what I'd say. There is plenty of free/lowcost MM's out there. No need to make a rule about that.

Glitches/programs and such are none of my business, so can't talk about that.

Cheers!

Perhaps there could be an exception for people with the SVU rank/website workers then. This is more aimed at the people who join, scam someone of 50-75$ and repeat the process a few times a month. A lot of the scammers are going to refuse a middleman and there's nothing that can be done about that 90% of the time, so they're free to scam the eventual person who doesn't ask for a MM.

 

[BGlave]

I like this idea. It will definitely weed out the fakes and save members from getting scammed.

 

[Cas]

Perhaps there could be an exception for people with the SVU rank/website workers then. This is more aimed at the people who join, scam someone of 50-75$ and repeat the process a few times a month. A lot of the scammers are going to refuse a middleman and there's nothing that can be done about that 90% of the time, so they're free to scam the eventual person who doesn't ask for a MM.

Very true. It's a shame this kind of methods have to be put in order to fix the problem.
I'm not sure if I'll be supporting this or not
Would like to see what staff has to say about this one.

Cheers!

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

I think the sections that require proofs atm (items/accounts) are fine enough, gold would be a pain to constantly update stock. Also, upgrades before anyone mentions would be a huge no-no as most are bought online if they're not in game.

 

[KELDEO]

Perhaps there could be an exception for people with the SVU rank/website workers then. This is more aimed at the people who join, scam someone of 50-75$ and repeat the process a few times a month. A lot of the scammers are going to refuse a middleman and there's nothing that can be done about that 90% of the time, so they're free to scam the eventual person who doesn't ask for a MM.

We cant be selective about who we let do what ect.
because that would be discriminating against somebody just because they've been here longer

 

[Yousuckv2]

We cant be selective about who we let do what ect.
because that would be discriminating against somebody just because they've been here longer

It could perhaps be seen as a sort of privilege for those who've earned trust within the community either by earning the SVU rank or achieving a certain vouch count that can be proven legitimate vouches? This is just a rough idea, every detail isn't exactly worked out yet...

I think the sections that require proofs atm (items/accounts) are fine enough, gold would be a pain to constantly update stock. Also, upgrades before anyone mentions would be a huge no-no as most are bought online if they're not in game.

When i'm talking about gold i'm not talking about consistent sellers or making them have to change the picture of their stock every time they make a transaction. I'm more or less talking about the people that always come here with a set amount they're attempting to sell but have no proof of possessing this amount. At least some evidence they possess/possessed the gold they claim to have had as an original stock would be preferable, because a lot of people come here selling items/gold/accounts that don't exist. Obviously it happens more in the RSPS section as people there are more often scammers than not, but it's not strictly limited to that section.

 

Gold -> For gold sellers it changes every few minutes and they have gold spreaded on several accounts. Definitely no support
Glitch videos might lead to leak of the glitch which is not wanted too, no support 2.
Programs-can be easily prepared.
No support for me in any way.

 

[Yousuckv2]

Gold -> For gold sellers it changes every few minutes and they have gold spreaded on several accounts. Definitely no support
Glitch videos might lead to leak of the glitch which is not wanted too, no support 2.
Programs-can be easily prepared.
No support for me in any way.

Which is why if you'd read my replies I stated that there could be exceptions made for people with the SVU rank or people who have obtained a certain amount of vouches. As far as a changing stock goes, at least proof of originally owning some form of stock should be shown so it's proven they actually have the gold they claim. If they buy/sell some in the mean time it doesn't mean they have to update it.

As for videos, as I stated in the main post if the video puts the glitch at risk of being leaked, they could easily put it on unlisted and show it to a sythe.org staff member at request. As for a glitch being leaked, it's not going to be the end of the world as A. If they sell it to a limited number of people, there's more potential of finding the leaker and them receiving a ban for scamming, if they sell it to a large amount of people then it's near the same as it being leaked. B. Jagex is probably going to fix it within a week regardless.

 

[Emperor Nero]

Your suggestion is basically everything Sythe is against. Adding restrictions to the market so that people can't freely contract with one another. It is an individuals duty to do the proper research before a trade. The only place that needs proof like you're suggesting is the places where it is already required.

 

[Yousuckv2]

Your suggestion is basically everything Sythe is against. Adding restrictions to the market so that people can't freely contract with one another. It is an individuals duty to do the proper research before a trade. The only place that needs proof like you're suggesting is the places where it is already required.

It's not restricting anyone from doing anything, except for scammers from trying to sell items that aren't theirs/don't exist? Proper research isn't always going to do the full job, especially with new users. This is intended to more or less weed out the vaders/new users who are scammers and promote the legitimate new users who can provide evidence that they actually own what they're selling.

 

For gold sales the proof could just be a pic of a bank worth a lot (simply proving you have lots of RSGP to trade if you are selling RSGP). If you are buying it, it should be a screeny of your paypal/other payment method's balance. Basically just proving that you have/had the means to go ahead with the purchase. Make it that it only had to be done within a week or so - so as to not be too much of an annoyance to large traders.

 

Which is why if you'd read my replies I stated that there could be exceptions made for people with the SVU rank or people who have obtained a certain amount of vouches. As far as a changing stock goes, at least proof of originally owning some form of stock should be shown so it's proven they actually have the gold they claim. If they buy/sell some in the mean time it doesn't mean they have to update it.

As for videos, as I stated in the main post if the video puts the glitch at risk of being leaked, they could easily put it on unlisted and show it to a sythe.org staff member at request. As for a glitch being leaked, it's not going to be the end of the world as A. If they sell it to a limited number of people, there's more potential of finding the leaker and them receiving a ban for scamming, if they sell it to a large amount of people then it's near the same as it being leaked. B. Jagex is probably going to fix it within a week regardless.

I meant video showing proof of that glitch actually works can leak glitch itself. There are new people starting shops, some of them are even legit at first look, however that will cause only problems.

 

[BGlave]

Just to clarify my post earlier. I was talking about the gp sales. After thinking about this, big businesses that constantly trade gold could see this as a problem and a hassle. I wouldn't want to add restrictions on only the undermarket.

 

People can just use fake pictures they find on google , so no support from me.

 

[Syed]

Sythe is against giving people unfair advantages in the market. So asking for a constantly updated proof of stock from sellers who aren't well known is something I wouldn't support, and I don't think he would either.

 

[BGlave]

People can just use fake pictures they find on google , so no support from me.

Would be easy to spot out. Making it easier to find the scammers. Don't agree with the idea though.

 

I don't support this, updating your rsgp stock is just an added hassle. Besides, people will be able to use outdated/fake pictures, or simply have a friend take the screenshot for them.


We already require proof in the places where its necessary, having it for "all items" is unnecessary, and exempting certain groups such as SVU is just silly.

 

[MKM]

I think people who have SV ranks shouldn't have to show gold I would say and everyone else should have to show, thus i think it would cut down on the scamming that are brought to the forums.