Nothing exists.

Can anything exist without observation? It's a plausible question posed by quantum mechanics.

And no, you're wrong. I'm right.

 

am i really a figment of your imagination. am i not real! =( this means my whole life is a lie

 

Yes it can exist Shredder, so blind people that use thier sense of feeling don't have minds no? I know they exist so what you trying to say? I don't really get what your trying to point out. Explain

 

Yes.

They don't have minds.

The point I'm trying to make is that the only thing that can be known for certain is the consciousness of one's own existence, and even that is a bit shaky.

 

Hmm wow :S i thought i was pretty much the only one who had thought of that. I often think to myself how wierd it is that everything could be nothing because its just myself with the illusion that there is everything.

 

Hold on, restate what you're saying?

So far I have:

Any one person can prove his existence to himself.
All sentient beings are, by definition, capable of doing this.
Therefore all sentient beings exist to themselves.

And I jump from there to things... existing. Observing yourself is defining your existence.

 

Ahh I understand now, i thought you meant you was like the chosen one or something lol. I see now, so everyone has a mind, but you're mind chooses what you see etc. Hmm ok, fair enough.

 

Prove it.

That is, prove yourself right. Make me disappear; after all, I'm just an illusion.

 

Uhh, ohh. Resident, I never thought of that. Nice, yes. Make me dis-appear to, if you can prove this then I shall be under your command for ever.

 

It is impossible to create an illusion more intelligent than yourself. So how is it that you've created me?

 

Prove myself to an illusion? Madness.

 

Burden of proof is on you.

 

Shredderbeam I bow to your superiosity, I can't seem to prove you wrong nor can anyone at this moment in time. I wish to be known as "Shredderbeams Bitch" from this day on.

 

like others said this might be impossible to prove wrong exept for the fact that it couldnt be all generated by your mind becuase something would have had to create your mind in order for it to create an illusion, also its arguable that because other people react with us and are real how do we know that we arnt a figiment of someone elses mind? becuase other people react on there own and do things that we wouldnt want them to do its impossible, plus that would argue to say that thins we didnt know about dont even exist wich couldnt be true...........could it?

 

Can't you just accept what is right in front of your nose? You must create this outrageous thread to make yourself seem "right". The answer is right in your nose and you know it. We are NOT your puppets and your are neither ours. everything is just here, there is NO logical explanation nor could we understand one? If I truly am your puppet then why aren't you mine?

You are an illusion of yourself.

 

Well my mind controls the part of your mind which controls that of which does not think for it self, but merely thinks for me! !

Btw this is a very interesting discussion, but as you all know, i control all that is free thinking, which makes them not free thinkers but my thinkers. WWDD??

 

It is pointless trying to argue here on this topic.

Why would you make me with such a large penis???

 

Wow, my head hurts .

Please tone down the smartness =]

 

Ahaha Jaamal, your one funny guy. I give you that, but you must see where Shredder is coming from. I can, it's pretty simple once you've thought about it.

 

Well if your mind is generating mine, then you should know what I'm thinking of at this very moment. I'm thinking of a word right now. To make it even easier, it starts with an "f" and ends with a "uck". Can you get it?