Non-meta playstyle (solo q)

[KerokeroCola]

Pija is right: I'll demonstrate "on attack" hit including attack speed and crit counting as a 1:1 modifier.

Building BT/IE/LW/PD:

- +210 AD, +20% lifesteal, 35% ARpen, 50% ASP, 70% crit
- Raw attacks do ~260 before resists.
- Including 50% ASP and 70%(+10% modifier) for crit, that's 730 per attack. 20% heals is 146 health per attack.
- With LW, you do about 50% reduced damage, so 365 phys per attack/73 heal per attack.

Compare that with BotRK/Wit's/LW/PD
- +65 AD, 15% lifesteal (+modifier), +42 Magic damage per attack, 90% ASP, 35% crit
- Raw attacks do ~130 befpre resists.
- Including all modifiers except crit, your damage per attack is 205+42. With crits it's 277+42. With ASP added in it's 526+80. Heals are 50+75 per attack.
- Total is 263 phys per attack, 32 magic per attack, and 63 heal her attack.



Note: I'm assuming you are attacking a tank with 3000 HP, 200 armor, and 120 MR for the calculations. Over the tank's full health BotRK would proc on an average of 1500*0.05 or 75 damage per attack.

 

[PijaVenosa]

Pija is right:

BT: 20% of damage healed to you. A typical ADC should be doing 200 damage per attack, so +40 HP per attack. Also add in 100 AD for scaling in abilities, which BotRK doesn't add to significanty.
IE: Attacks do 110% extra damage, 35% of the time (60-70% of the time with the right build). That's an extra 220 HP per attack. Also stacks with lifesteal.

Compare that with
BotRK: Does 5% of current HP. Averaged out over a tank's full HP of 3000, that's 1500(0.05)=75 damage per attack. Including tankiness resists of about 50% reduction, 37 damage per attack. That's also 37 heal per attack. The 40% attack speed increases this to roughly 51.4 damage/heals per hit. Also the 15% lifesteal is approximately 30 HP her hit.

Wit's end: Flat 42 damage per hit. Nothing else by ASP. Shouldn't be built ever on anyone unless you have at least 2 other mages that can benefit from the MPen.

By on-hit effects I mostly meant their damage. Since BotrK also gives lifesteal, we can ignore than when we consider both weapons.
Also we are talking about nidalee specifically.

Wit's end is a good choice on kayle. A possible 6th item on WW,and maybe an item for runaan teemo, I don't know much about him.

Btw, IE deals 150% extra damge 25% of the times.

 

[KerokeroCola]

Anyone benefits from "pure ADC" items since their design is to increase on-hit damage. Nidalee especially benefits from more AD-based items, since her own 40% attack speed steroid means pure AD is that much better. That's not even mentioning the huge scaling her tiger form has with AD.

I'm not sure why I fucked up the IE damage description. I'm on like 5 hours of sleep for the last 3 days...


Kayle right now is mostly Nashor's, Deathcap, Zhonya's, Lich Bane, Sorc Boots, Void Staff. The only item in there that is reasonable to remove is either Deathcap or Zhonya's. With that build, removing Deathcap gets rid of 120 AP (+150 AP from its passive); removing Zhonya's removes 120 AP, 50 armor, and the ability to stasis. In my own opinion, I see those raw AP values more beneficial, since more AP means HUGE nukes with her 1:1 scaling Q; more AOE from her E; more heals from her W; more damage passive from Nashor's; and finally, more damage for Lich Bane.

That's just my $0.02, but the www.probuilds.net guys seem to agree. I see none on there where Wit's End was built. It's just a meh item.


Maybe if they have 3 or more tanks, the extra MPen would be nice, but a Void Staff is usually more than enough. The current meta stacks armor (most tanks get Sunfire + Randuins for over 140 armor), and most tanks generally only get one MR item.

 

[Just Sayin']

I still enjoy Vayne top, poke & kite all day.

 

[Midden]

Definitely gonna have to try vayne top, zed jungle, and ez mid.

 

[LoLSmurfin]

I just got my ass handed to me by an Akali jungle. Practicing it as we speak, gonna bring it to solo q.

O halo thar


AD Nidalee isn't really against the meta too much if you build her like that. I play her in "high ELO" or whatever with a Ruined King, Cleaver, Muramana, Iceborn and GA to pretty devastating effect.

 

I don't quite get the point of this build, but any champ with an autoattack can be built AD.
However, since nidalee has such high AS already, you should get items that give AD instead of more AS

Needed wits end for MR, TF is overall perfect core for nid becaues of procs, botrk passive for chases and escapes, saved and secured probably 5+ kills in that game, thornmail because their jinx was 20-6, mercs cause they were nutty with CC and disto is great for nid's kit.

 

[TheCoon]

Lissandra jungle is one of my favorites.

I also love to run AD Annie from time to time.

Also Ap Alistar mid is too fun.

Midlane J4 can carry so hard.

 

[KerokeroCola]

AD Karma and AD Brand are also fun. Having a level 1 two second stun or snare on an ADC is terrifying. At level 2, with Leona or Thresh, the total lockdown is almost 4 seconds.

 

[Chlue]

Double jungle double top targons, double smite all works. killane on bottom as long as you ward and have stronk top and mid (jax lblanc or summit)