New Program For PIN Sellers - Would You Use It?

[Merchant_in_the_dark]

Hello everyone,

This post is especially meant for Sythe's PIN selling community. I'm currently coding a digital-product PayPal integration program for Rune-Tips.net, and I'm pretty sure I could modify it to work for PINS as well.

Here's the lowdown:

This program would allow you to sell PINs 24/7 through PayPal, when you're offline, and even while you're asleep.

The PIN seller would load his PINs into a text box in a secure back-end user interface, and they would be bought by users through an integrated PayPal button.

The PayPal button would allow buyers to pay using PayPal or credit card. PayPal IPN (Instant Payment Notification) would then immediately deliver the buyer a PIN via Email as soon as their payment clears.

Solid Tank also gave me the idea of installing a PIN verifier. This code would automatically ensure that all PINs are valid BEFORE selling them to the user - thus effectively eliminating PIN scamming.

I would like to know if there are enough sellers who would use this program to make it worth my while to code it. I would most likely charge a small monthly fee, and keep the code under my control (or any admin who wants to volunteer) to ensure that ALL transactions would go through the PIN filter.

If you are a PIN seller, please let me know if you would be interested in this. If you are a PIN buyer, please post any suggestions you have for making it safer and more convenient for you.

~Merchant

 

[Covey]

Good idea, 2 downfalls.
1). How do you make sure the PIN is a legitimate PIN without using it.
2). PayPal's cancel claim would still be abused in this situation thus not elimating PIN scamming.

 

[Merchant_in_the_dark]

Good idea, 2 downfalls.
1). How do you make sure the PIN is a legitimate PIN without using it.
2). PayPal's cancel claim would still be abused in this situation thus not elimating PIN scamming.

By collecting the PIN's type and/or country from the seller, I could connect to the SurfPin site and verify whether the PIN is valid by checking the output string - invalid PINs always say "Invalid PIN", while valid PINs return "Incorrect Payment Window", etc.

As for claim-and-cancel, there is no way any program or system can prevent it - and there would be no more risk of a cancel claim then in a normal PIN trade. Eliminating bad PINs and ensuring that the PIN gets delivered will stop 99% of all PIN scams.

 

[haha4830]

Good Idea...
i would use it.

 

[`Denis]

Woah, This is teh future =]
This will prevent 99% of scams , freakin amazing idea.
By the way, Thought about making this allso for UGC?

 

[Merchant_in_the_dark]

Woah, This is teh future =]
This will prevent 99% of scams , freakin amazing idea.
By the way, Thought about making this allso for UGC?

The system I'm writing can instantly sell and deliver anything digital, from MP3s to eBooks to RuneScape accounts.

I'm going to use it to manage gold membership to the ExchangeWatch, as well as sell my own guides and RuneScape accounts.

The mod I'm making to sell PINs is going to be hosted by me, and only me to ensure validity - I'll charge a monthly fee for PIN sellers to use it.

I'm also going to write a generic version for selling MP3s, files, etc - and I may make the generic system available to the public to purchase and install on their own sites.

 

[haha4830]

The system I'm writing can instantly sell and deliver anything digital, from MP3s to eBooks to RuneScape accounts.

I'm going to use it to manage gold membership to the ExchangeWatch, as well as sell my own guides and RuneScape accounts.

The mod I'm making to sell PINs is going to be hosted by me, and only me to ensure validity - I'll charge a monthly fee for PIN sellers to use it.

I'm also going to write a generic version for selling MP3s, files, etc - and I may make the generic system available to the public to purchase and install on their own sites.

does that include like ipods and xbox360 which i dont play anymore?

 

[Covey]

By collecting the PIN's type and/or country from the seller, I could connect to the SurfPin site and verify whether the PIN is valid by checking the output string - invalid PINs always say "Invalid PIN", while valid PINs return "Incorrect Payment Window", etc.

As for claim-and-cancel, there is no way any program or system can prevent it - and there would be no more risk of a cancel claim then in a normal PIN trade. Eliminating bad PINs and ensuring that the PIN gets delivered will stop 99% of all PIN scams.

I see, very nice.
Then i say go for it, once your system gets up and running you should be able to make a nice little profit for yourself as well.

Good to see people are still bringing new idea's in.

 

[`Denis]

The system I'm writing can instantly sell and deliver anything digital, from MP3s to eBooks to RuneScape accounts.

I'm going to use it to manage gold membership to the ExchangeWatch, as well as sell my own guides and RuneScape accounts.

The mod I'm making to sell PINs is going to be hosted by me, and only me to ensure validity - I'll charge a monthly fee for PIN sellers to use it.

I'm also going to write a generic version for selling MP3s, files, etc - and I may make the generic system available to the public to purchase and install on their own sites.

So you mean you gonna write system that sells Allmsot Anything that digital?
Like making from Ebay a program.
If you do this this Not just gonna be used from pin sells etc, This gonna change all Markets in the internet, Gonna make them easier and safer =].

 

[Merchant_in_the_dark]

does that include like ipods and xbox360 which i dont play anymore?

Are you talking about selling the actual items, or selling content for them?

I'm sure my system could be used to sell physical items as well, but it wouldn't be totally automated - the seller would still have to do the work of shipping, processing, etc.

I also forgot to mention, another built-in function of my software is to record and total all of your sales automatically.

The admin logon has three screens:

* Product Screen (Add and modify products and prices)

* System Screen (Add and edit PayPal email, etc)

* Records Screen (Displays large "Total Income" banner, and has detailed records on each and every transaction that can be downloaded/printed)

I'm not sure if my PIN-selling version will offer the option of selling multiple types of products, so the admin layout for the final PIN mod may be different.

 

[Skele]

By collecting the PIN's type and/or country from the seller, I could connect to the SurfPin site and verify whether the PIN is valid by checking the output string - invalid PINs always say "Invalid PIN", while valid PINs return "Incorrect Payment Window", etc.

As for claim-and-cancel, there is no way any program or system can prevent it - and there would be no more risk of a cancel claim then in a normal PIN trade. Eliminating bad PINs and ensuring that the PIN gets delivered will stop 99% of all PIN scams.

I'm pretty sure that even if the pin says "Invalid Payment Window" when you try it on a different country, it could still already have been redeemed.

For example, if a person already redeemed a usa sms pin, when you try it on the uk sms page, it'll still say "incorrect payment window."

 

[m0er]

great idea I see you've clearly thought of possible scams aswell etc..

 

[ElivOk]

I agree this would really help for buyers, if you have time todo this i support.

 

[rivgen]

How about Buyer does charge back? So there still could be scams...

 

[`Denis]

How about Buyer does charge back? So there still could be scams...

You Cant provoide The charge back.
Its PayPal's Downfall.
The charge back can happen in normal trade too.

 

[Poker Player]

I am a pin seller and i would really love to use it if:
1) I get my insurance that if somebody does claims, i would get the refund you.
2)In a normal pin trade, i ask users to claim+cancel, with this, you cannot claim+cancel, unless this program would ask the user to do so before they receive their pin.(idk how that would work)

 

[`Denis]

I am a pin seller and i would really love to use it if:
1) I get my insurance that if somebody does claims, i would get the refund you.
2)In a normal pin trade, i ask users to claim+cancel, with this, you cannot claim+cancel, unless this program would ask the user to do so before they receive their pin.(idk how that would work)

Hmm Nice idea. Think e should add this If he can.

 

[Merchant_in_the_dark]

I am a pin seller and i would really love to use it if:
1) I get my insurance that if somebody does claims, i would get the refund you.
2)In a normal pin trade, i ask users to claim+cancel, with this, you cannot claim+cancel, unless this program would ask the user to do so before they receive their pin.(idk how that would work)

There is no way to confirm that a user has claimed+cancelled with any program.

All you have to do if anyone initializes a dispute is to tell PayPal that they were purchasing a digital product/service. PayPal offers no buyer protection, thuis no chargebacks, for these types of transactions

As for "insurance", I can't be held responsible for any user attempting to do a chargeback. There would be no greater risk of an attempted chargeback using my program then there would with any type of PIN trade.

I'm pretty sure that even if the pin says "Invalid Payment Window" when you try it on a different country, it could still already have been redeemed.

For example, if a person already redeemed a usa sms pin, when you try it on the uk sms page, it'll still say "incorrect payment window."

I'm definitely going to need to do some research into this area - even if it is possible, coding a PIN validator is going to be a hell of a headache.

Can anyone confirm this statement?

If it is true, does anyone have any ideas for an alternate method of verifying PINs?

 

[rivgen]

As I know, if pin is used with another country, then it should say "invalid country", or something like that. If the pin is already redeemed or it is invalid, then it should say "invalid pin". That's in the runescape membership subscription. Telephone number can be anything, but the best would be the number seller provided, then the buyer could even recover his account using phone number, pin number. I don't know if that's true, so you have to test that.

Your program could connect to a website and the user could see the pins, he could sort them by price, by user. Seller could add his pins, delete pins, add, change price.
When user would buy it, then the pin would get tested and would be given to the user, or maby even the program would make user P2P using the bought pin.
Seller would get cash, and the count of pins the seller provides would reduce by 1.
Seller would not know the buyer's nickname, because it's still possible to recover buyer's runescape account.

Why should you make a program? Why won't you make a website, which would do the program's work? Website would work on most browsers: on PC, Mac, Phones, which have Opera, Firefox, Safari, etc browser.

 

[Morphis]

It is true a pin that has been used will appear as "invalid payment window" if you change the country. Yet on the appropriate country it will say "invalid pin" I think this is useful but there are a few downfalls such as, what if by mistake a non working pin is given, if it is 2 humans doing the trade then there could be compensation such as another pin etc. Yet with this automated system you'd pretty much be screwed if you got an invalid pin, as there is no way to prove you got one, and you cant talk to the seller and work things out. Good concept, just need to iron out the kinks.