New Dice Method

[Rob White]

Exactly they would kick up a fuss, and a reasonable person would learn of it and know to avoid dicing the guy who hasn't been paying out.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

Damn thats a big gray area lol..

 

imo they should make it so it is required to show proof funds if it's like a $50+ dice. It's unfortunate to say that people who probably had no money diced a fake amount, won and get away with it. This would also reduce the amount of outstanding debts - if you gamble you should not be allowed to delay payments.

 

[SPM322]

fyi anyone caught doing this will just be banned

also clearly you're a vader

and clearly you have an opinion, so what solution would you suggest?

U guys did nothinf to address it and PVTEL did it and got no ban?

 

[SPM322]

If you dice someone you know has an outstanding debt you are taking the risk that the dice will be ruled as void.

If you dice someone who has an outstanding debt but a reasonable person would not have ascertained that said debt existed then the roll should be valid.

Lmao

So my roll shud be valid. Ye ok rich nice staff. Pvtel gave alex some chips on tokenbets to say the roll was void LOL @Shin

 

[SPM322]

As I just said: if the other party to the dice KNEW of the existing debt and diced anyway then they've taken a risk that the dice may be overturned.

If they didn't know and can't reasonably have been expected to know then the dice and resulting debt would be valid

Im dying but ok LOL

 

[elzinc]

This may sound incredibly amateur but what exactly are you guys referring to? The CC dicing that's going on or an third party website?

Thanks.

 

[SPM322]

This may sound incredibly amateur but what exactly are you guys referring to? The CC dicing that's going on or an third party website?

Thanks.

AliGiggle

 

[elzinc]

AliGiggle

What? Could I get a serious response please.. Turtles are alright not the best.

 

What? Could I get a serious response please.. Turtles are alright not the best.

Dice Competitions
There is a dicing section for people that donated to Sythe also.

The problems that are being discussed in this thread are directly related to the private competitions held here at Sythe.org. It's based on a random number generator(dice). Where people can compete for cash, miniranks, gp etc.

 

[elzinc]

Dice Competitions
There is a dicing section for people that donated to Sythe also.

The problems that are being discussed in this thread are directly related to the private competitions held here at Sythe.org. It's based on a random number generator(dice). Where people can compete for cash, miniranks, gp etc.

I see, thank you.

 

[RS_WHISKEY]

I think the grey area comes of how does someone know if there is an outstanding debt or not? When I post a dice bet I don't go search the reports to see if the person has unpaid debt. Not to mention what happens when they qnr and I lose but find they owed money do they have to refund me? Also what if a report just hasn't been made yet because they person "trust" someone to pay out. Is it not true that you must have payment method at the time of the bet? Therefore trust shouldn't be a factor , you dice and don't pay instantly (unless extreme circumstances) then you should be banned should you not?

 

I think the grey area comes of how does someone know if there is an outstanding debt or not? When I post a dice bet I don't go search the reports to see if the person has unpaid debt. Not to mention what happens when they qnr and I lose but find they owed money do they have to refund me? Also what if a report just hasn't been made yet because they person "trust" someone to pay out. Is it not true that you must have payment method at the time of the bet? Therefore trust shouldn't be a factor , you dice and don't pay instantly (unless extreme circumstances) then you should be banned should you not?

Treat dicing like you would any other transaction. Check outstanding scam reports first.

 

Treat dicing like you would any other transaction. Check outstanding scam reports first.

So if someone scams and has a report open and I make a trade with them and they scam me too, it's my fault I didn't check the report section so therefore they don't have to pay me my money back? That's the shittiest logic i've ever heard.

 

So if someone scams and has a report open and I make a trade with them and they scam me too, it's my fault I didn't check the report section so therefore they don't have to pay me my money back? That's the shittiest logic i've ever heard.

Ok well let's assume this wasn't the rule. What's to stop someone from repeatedly dicing while insolvent, accumulating more and more debt then just being banned. We don't want people kiting their debts.

If we place some responsibility onto the counter party to take reasonable steps to ensure the first party had the capacity to enter into a private contest (capacity being that they don't have outstanding unpaid debts) then we can avoid people kiting their debts.

I don't see why this is controversial: don't trade someone you know is bankrupt or insolvent.

We still allow the new debt to be valid where the unpaid previous debt was concealed.

 

I should also add this is a rule that applies to private completions (ie dicing) only.

But as a general guideline you should always check to see if there are outstanding debts owed by your counter party before trading. It's plain common sense. Takes all of a two second search.

 

[RS_WHISKEY]

@Sythe so what if I post and then someone with an outstanding debt qnr and I lose should I have to pay? Because once it's accepted you can not refuse the roll? Or can I refuse the roll if I find out there's a outstanding debt first?

 

@Sythe so what if I post and then someone with an outstanding debt qnr and I lose should I have to pay? Because once it's accepted you can not refuse the roll? Or can I refuse the roll if I find out there's a outstanding debt first?

"If you have an outstanding bet, you may not dice others until the debt is paid."

They are breaking the rules by doing this so no the dice roll isn't valid. However if the outstanding debt is concealed (the other party had no reasonable way of knowing the debt existed) then it would be considered valid even though it is technically not valid.

Sounds complicated but really its as simple as this: "oh you quoted and rolled me, let me check if you have any outstanding dicing debts" "yes you do" "this roll is not valid"

Same thing as "oh you qnr'd me, let me check if you transcribed the dice bbcode correctly" "oh you didn't?" "this isn't a valid roll"

It's just basic due diligence. Did both parties follow the rules as far as you can tell? Yes? Then the dice roll is valid.

 

[SPM322]

"If you have an outstanding bet, you may not dice others until the debt is paid."

They are breaking the rules by doing this so no the dice roll isn't valid. However if the outstanding debt is concealed (the other party had no reasonable way of knowing the debt existed) then it would be considered valid even though it is technically not valid.

Sounds complicated but really its as simple as this: "oh you quoted and rolled me, let me check if you have any outstanding dicing debts" "yes you do" "this roll is not valid"

Same thing as "oh you qnr'd me, let me check if you transcribed the dice bbcode correctly" "oh you didn't?" "this isn't a valid roll"

It's just basic due diligence. Did both parties follow the rules as far as you can tell? Yes? Then the dice roll is valid.

You are failing to address my situation.

You are avoiding it which is funny. He quoted and rolled. Did u even take a look at my report and the delted posts on it

 

You are failing to address my situation.

You are avoiding it which is funny. He quoted and rolled. Did u even take a look at my report and the delted posts on it

How have I not addressed your situation?

You had full knowledge that you were dicing against the rules, consequently the dice was invalid.