New Dice Method

[Revora]

Hi.

Step 1: Become a $5 Donor
Step 2: Quote a low roll and lose.
Step 3: Quote a high roll
Step 4: If you win the roll, payout previous
Step 5: If you lost the roll, post proof of your outstanding debt
Step 6: Gz you now either bypassed paying someone, or just won a nice chunk of change.

Absolutely hilarious how some of the mods are dealing with dice reports. Logic strong af

Thread references:

DICING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. @Hello its me @Pvtel

Buyacc Diced me with Dice Debt

 

Most people who do a high roll don't allow 5$ donors to participate, but i get what ur coming @

e.g 100$ + to roll

 

Hi.

Step 1: Become a $5 Donor
Step 2: Quote a low roll and lose.
Step 3: Quote a high roll
Step 4: If you win the roll, payout previous
Step 5: If you lost the roll, post proof of your outstanding debt
Step 6: Gz you now either bypassed paying someone, or just won a nice chunk of change.

Absolutely hilarious how some of the mods are dealing with dice reports. Logic strong af

Thread references:

DICING NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. @Hello its me @Pvtel

Buyacc Diced me with Dice Debt

fyi anyone caught doing this will just be banned

also clearly you're a vader

and clearly you have an opinion, so what solution would you suggest?

 

[Revora]

fyi anyone caught doing this will just be banned

also clearly you're a vader

and clearly you have an opinion, so what solution would you suggest?

People who knowingly roll with an outstanding debt should still be obligated to pay?

Of course there are rules/guidelines to not roll with an outstanding debt, but there is no punishment for doing so.

If you do roll with an outstanding debt it should be tough luck, you pay anyway. Not doing this opens up a breeding ground for reports like I've mentioned.

 

People who knowingly roll with an outstanding debt should still be obligated to pay?

Of course there are rules/guidelines to not roll with an outstanding debt, but there is no punishment for doing so.

If you do roll with an outstanding debt it should be tough luck, you pay anyway. Not doing this opens up a breeding ground for reports like I've mentioned.

If you dice someone you know has an outstanding debt you are taking the risk that the dice will be ruled as void.

If you dice someone who has an outstanding debt but a reasonable person would not have ascertained that said debt existed then the roll should be valid.

 

[Rob White]

Just because someone has "dice debt" what obligates them from not paying out someone else that they duel?

We all know that when you Dice its final, there is no going back.

Seems foolish to allow such things slide IMO.

 

[Revora]

If you dice someone you know has an outstanding debt you are taking the risk that the dice will be ruled as void.

If you dice someone who has an outstanding debt but a reasonable person would not have ascertained that said debt existed then the roll should be valid.

Right, but in most cases the debt isn't known to one or more parties.

Someone continuing to dice with an outstanding debt is banking on exactly that.

**If you're inferring to those be solutions, I would agree.

 

Just because someone has "dice debt" what obligates them from not paying out someone else that they duel?

We all know that when you Dice its final, there is no going back.

Seems foolish to allow such things slide IMO.

The rule isn't against paying out, it's against dueling with existing and outstanding debts.

 

[Rob White]

The rule isn't against paying out, it's against dueling with existing and outstanding debts.

So what happens if someone duels with outstanding debts and loses?

They are abstained from paying out?

 

So what happens if someone duels with outstanding debts and loses?

They are abstained from paying out?

As I just said: if the other party to the dice KNEW of the existing debt and diced anyway then they've taken a risk that the dice may be overturned.

If they didn't know and can't reasonably have been expected to know then the dice and resulting debt would be valid

 

[Rob White]

As I just said: if the other party to the dice KNEW of the existing debt and diced anyway then they've taken a risk that the dice may be overturned.

If they didn't know and can't reasonably have been expected to know then the dice and resulting debt would be valid

Seems like a grey area that will create finger pointing. Weather or not so and so knows someone had dice Debt what keeps someone from saying they had no idea?


Its simple...If you have dice debt and you dice, you are inclined to pay out no matter what. Why wouldn't that be the rule?

What am I missing?

 

[Revora]

As I just said: if the other party to the dice KNEW of the existing debt and diced anyway then they've taken a risk that the dice may be overturned.

If they didn't know and can't reasonably have been expected to know then the dice and resulting debt would be valid

What happens if someone with an outstanding debt quotes a roll and loses? The other party had no knowledge of the debt.

 

What happens if someone with an outstanding debt quotes a roll and loses? The other party had no knowledge of the debt.

If the other party had no knowledge of the debt AND could not reasonably have been expected to know of it
Then the first party will be banned from dicing and the debt will be valid

 

[Revora]

If the other party had no knowledge of the debt AND could not reasonably have been expected to know of it
Then the first party will be banned from dicing and the debt will be valid

Now what if the second party knew about the debt, but the first party still rolled?

What would be the end result of both win/lose scenarios?

 

Seems like a grey area that will create finger pointing. Weather or not so and so knows someone had dice Debt what keeps someone from saying they had no idea?


Its simple...If you have dice debt and you dice, you are inclined to pay out no matter what. Why wouldn't that be the rule?

What am I missing?

What we need to avoid is people who already can't pay their existing debts going out and dicing further in order to try recoup their losses.

You can't dice until you have settled all your previous dicing debts. All we are working out now is the best way to deal with the situation where this rule is willfully broken by one or both parties.

 

Now what if the second party knew about the debt, but the first party still rolled?

What would be the end result of both win/lose scenarios?

In both cases the dice roll is void.

 

[Revora]

In both cases the dice roll is void.

So someone with an outstanding debt that continues to roll goes unpunished?

 

[Rob White]

What we need to avoid is people who already can't pay their existing debts going out and dicing further in order to try recoup their losses.

You can't dice until you have settled all your previous dicing debts. All we are working out now is the best way to deal with the situation where this rule is willfully broken by one or both parties.

Right, makes sense to avoid people chasing their loses. But if someone doesn't pay out and is seen continuing to dice, It would seem pretty obvious that the user who didn't get paid would create a scam report? Of course there will be extreme situations where that might not be the case.

 

Right, makes sense to avoid people chasing their loses. But if someone doesn't pay out and is seen continuing to dice, It would seem pretty obvious that the user who didn't get paid would create a scam report? Of course there will be extreme cases where that might not be the case.

Exactly they would kick up a fuss, and a reasonable person would learn of it and know to avoid dicing the guy who hasn't been paying out.

 

[Revora]

The issue is when someone is reported for doing this it's a slap on the wrist.

"Oh haha, I fell asleep"
"I was buying gold to pay"
"My paypal was closed, I need time"
etc

Someone that's caught doing this needs an undeniable punishment, not "oh, pay so and so and this is fixed".