need help finding a rule

[yavarevenge]

so i was on the name forum, and i came across a thread from a particular individual, whom we do not like each other, he was selling names, but did not put them on his thread and told people to pm him for them, i pmed him, he gave them to me, then i looked on the sythe.org rules and didnt find anything that said i cant leak, so i leaked the 40+ names he pmed me, and i recieved an infraction, so i looked at the sythe.org rules multiple times over, and still didnt find anything, so i am asking you, where is the rule that says i cannot leak sale details, and should we be getting infracted for something not in the rules? i contacted the person who gave it to me, then i contacted an admin. below are the pms.


PM to the sender of the infraction:

hey, you gave me a strike for leaking, where does it say, under the runescape name, or runescape forum that i cannot do this?

You leaked another user's private name collection..

i realize that, i did that for a reason, i looked at the rules to make sure i wouldnt be breaking them, i cannot find a rule that sat i cannot, if you can, please direct me to the page.

Leaking itself is a rule. You gave away another user's information which he did not want released to the public.

i requested the rule where it says that, please show me.

http://puu.sh/1BMdr/e614bb8f614b66a1eddb52cbeda41e3b

I'd say that it would fall under a less severe version of that. However it's common sense that you have absolutely no right to release another user's info if they wish to keep it secret.

are you going to respond? because in about an hour, i am going to escalate this, and bring more mods, or admins into this.

I don't believe the infraction deserves a reverse. You know better than to take someone's private list and publicly post it. I'm not even sure if you're serious because it's so obvious that you shouldn't/have no right to be doing that. I'd say take it up with a global if you still believe it should be reversed.

i will do that, but i will still wait for you to show me where it says i cannot do this.

PM to the second opinion:

hey, i recieved an infraction, i pmed the person who gave it to me, and i do not believe he as understanding what i am saying, could you please clear this up for us? here are some pics on pms, at the end he stopped responding, so the same thing will be there more than once with a different last message.

It stays. You leaked someone's name list. He was keeping it private for a reason.

could you please show me where it says i cannot do this, i read the rules, i sure couldnt fine it.

It's common sense. You leaked something that was private.

so are you going to message me back, or is another sythe staff member going to cut communication?

pm of the global mod

i have given what i believe is an unfair infraction, all they tell me is that you did this, the decision stay, after re reading the rules multiple time, i cannot find where it says i cannot leak. here is the most recent pm i got / sent.

hey, i recieved an infraction, i pmed the person who gave it to me, and i do not believe he as understanding what i am saying, could you please clear this up for us? here are some pics on pms, at the end he stopped responding, so the same thing will be there more than once with a different last message.

It stays. You leaked someone's name list. He was keeping it private for a reason.

could you please show me where it says i cannot do this, i read the rules, i sure couldnt fine it.

It's common sense. You leaked something that was private.

so are you going to message me back, or is another sythe staff member going to cut communication?

Hello

First off, I'd like to state that I have reviewed this case thoroughly and I have to agree with Dave, the infraction is warranted in my eyes.

The user chose to keep his list secret for a reason, most likely to cut back on name snipers sniping names while he was trying to transfer them during a sale.

While it may not directly be in violation of our rules, as staff we retain the right to punish users for any unconscionable act, which I would say this falls under.

I'd like you to keep in mind that this is just an infraction, and will expire in a month. Hopefully this is a good lesson to you that you should respect peoples privacy, and it will keep you out of trouble in the future.

Thank you for being a user at Sythe.org and I hope we don't have any issues in the future. Have a good day.

im sorry, but we do have an issue, i want to know why i am being punished for a non existent rule, everything i do on here that i might consider questionable, i look at the rules, i didnt find any rules, therefore, i dont see why i am being punished.

If you think something you do is questionable, you probably shouldn't do it.

If you have a good reason for leaking his list, please tell me, otherwise, the infraction will stay.

"Staff reserve the right to ban or infract for any unconscionable act. The above rules and associated punishments only apply when the staff can reasonably judge that a user does not deserve some other, perhaps more severe form of punishment for any unconscionable act they might make on the forums."

i say questionable in the reguards that i am not only a sythe member, different sights have different rules. The reason for doing this, along with reporting th posts that are even 1 minute earlier are past arguements we had, but at any rate, i do not see why i can be punished for a non existent rule, this seems like a trap to me, if i post anything that is not buying or selling, or if im buying or selling primarily white names it can be racist and i can recieve an infraction, just stupid little things like that, this to me makes no sense, in my mind, if there is not a rule saying i cannot do a particular thing, then i can not do it BECAUSE IT IS NOT AGAINST THE RULES

We can't make a rule for every little thing, its up to the users to help themselves by not doing things that can hurt others.

By you posting his list you have potentially damaged his business because now some name snipers possibly have his list and have it on their bot/watch list. This not only creates problems for him, but it creates problems for the staff because we have to deal with the scam report when the user who bought the name doesn't get it because it gets sniped.

Your infraction won't be overturned, sorry, but hopefully in the future you will think twice about doing something that harms somebody just to spite them.

so is yet another sythe staff member going to cut communication ties?

Yes, unfortunately we cannot tolerate what you did, so hopefully this is a lesson to you.

Sorry.

concidering i did this not only because of past arguements but also because he stole names, but hey, i guess he can do wrong but i can break a non existent rule, that is cool, i understand.

If you can prove he stole names from people he will be banned and your infraction will be reversed.

in that case, i would like to take a look at this:
http://www.sythe.org/report-scammer...ing-roberto-billion-selling-stolen-names.html

Nothing proven within that report, thus why he only ended up with a TwC.

read daves comment

I did, theres no solid evidence, thus why he only got a TwC. Sorry but your infraction won't be reversed.

This is the last PM I will be sending on the matter.

so i get an infraction over a non exitent rule, i prove what he is doing, and yet i still get punished, wow these rules make sense.




there are 2ndairy pms when they did not answer as you can see in the 2nd pm.

 

[Fendle]

You knew what you was doing, if someone wants their information private then they have a right to request to keep it private for safety reasons. Then you come along and breach his privacy and now you are trying to wiggle out of it by being smart.

 

[yavarevenge]

where is the rule? as far as i am concerned, i cant be punished for a rule that is non existant

 

[Fendle]

Disclosure of Others' Personal Information/etc.: you are entitled to disclose your own personal information, photographs, etc. in the appropriate places on the site, but posting information such as addresses, personal MSNs, photographs, etc. of other members without their permission will result in a 1 month ban. Likewise, selling Facebook (or other social network accounts) is also strictly prohibited.

That one pretty much links to your question, it says any information which a user has requested not to be leaked. He asked you not to leak his names, and you leaked them. Its a 1 month ban so you got off very lightly.

 

It's bad practise. By asking people to PM him he obviously doesn't want his name accounts being banned or sniped. Why would you leak them? It's just highly unprofessional and untrustworthy of you. It's just an infraction, anyway, they're just warnings - just don't do it again, simple.

 

[Laptop65]

Rule or no rule, bit of a dick move don't you think? If you don't like someone, just ignore the person, or use the ignore list if you're really annoyed by them. You had no right in doing that, be thankful you only got an infraction.

 

[yavarevenge]

That one pretty much links to your question, it says any information which a user has requested not to be leaked. He asked you not to leak his names, and you leaked them. Its a 1 month ban so you got off very lightly.

that is as far as real life, if you read the pms, i addressed that, i don't see where it says "disclosure of sales"
as far as the other guys question, i did this, because he stole names, he now has a trade with caution title on his name because of it.

 

[Fendle]

Its still his personal information, its his accounts. He has the right for anyone to not sure his accounts.

 

[yavarevenge]

did u read the part where it said "he stole accounts" therefore they are not his...

 

That's besides the point, it's your infraction under discussion not his legitimacy. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[yavarevenge]

uncovering lies in my opinion does not constitute for a infraction.

 

[Fendle]

You could of reported the PM to a mod, not publicly display his details. Its like saying your going to scam someone to undercover a scammer.

 

[I_DONT_BOT]

You broke common principle. Leaking personal info/ private info is not allowed. If you had leaked my name list when I used to sell names, I would have done everything possible to try and get you banned. You don't deserve to be on sythe, an infraction is light.


Not only this, but after 1 mod tells you, asking a global and an admin was stupid. You wasted their time, you really need to think over your maturity.

 

[yavarevenge]

directed to both of you:
i dont take what i dont believe is fair kindly, how did i say i was going to uncover a scam by scamming someone? i dont see ANYWHERE where it says i was going to scam someone, and as far as the privacy goes, i dont see where it say "disclosure of sales" or anything of the like. Also if you read the rules, it says if you do not believe the infraction you received was fair, you can get a second opinon, so i did, and the 2nd opinion said i should get a global.

 

[Heads447]

I dont really see where this thread is going tbh. You've PM'd a sectional, global, and admin and they all told you:

1) its only an infraction
2) it broke the privacy rule
3) there doesnt have to be a rule set in stone and staff can ban/infract anything they want with a good reason.

 

It doesn't say on the rules that we can't contact people for there address, go and murder them, then go on their account and post stuff. Yet you'd get banned if you did that (probably more than banned but yeah..)

It's common sense, if someone didn't want information leaked and you leaked it, you were being an ass. You got infracted for it.
In my opinion you should be infracted for wasting staff time.

An admin has even decided, so there's nothing anyone can do here. I suggest you act more mature and stop digging yourself into a hole.

Closed.