My Dispute.

[Jensen]

Clashfan told me to move this here.
So if you look at:
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=189774
and
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=189827
So in a new twist to this, the reason I was tricked into doing this was because I apparently leaked the guide to Death By Pie. He said himself I never gave the guide to him, in fact, the only time I had talked to him was on MSN when he was complaining to me how Miklman stole his lure, I didn't tell him squat. So there's the motive behind this sneaky trap. Yeah I fell for it, but here's my next defense.
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=148431
^ This has no rule saying it's illegal to resell guides.
Nowhere in the guide itself does it say it's illegal to resell the guide.
Nowhere in his thread does he say it's illegal to resell his guide.
http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/7325/fuckpd7.png
So, according to this: Aman wants to buy the guide, not knowing, I instinctively say yes, so then he "reveals" himself. "I'm the rat", I guess.
I never leaked it to him, nowhere in that conversation did I actually transfer the guide. You seriously think my intent can justify this? Any time during the deal could I have said "You know what, this is wrong, I shouldn't do it".
I didn't get a chance to take back the deal.
Besides that, the guide is 12M. 12M for a limited amount of information.
They would NOT lose anything if I even had leaked the guide.
And funny thing is, in a matter of minutes I try to access Sythe and I'm banned.
One of you, please reply.

 

[Govind]

Okay, I'm just posting so that your username won't make the index stretch anymore.

 

[miklman]

Plagiarism would be the rule. I didn't sell you the rights to my guide, don't act like an idiot. -.-

No one ever said anything about Death By Pie.

I haven't talked to you on MSN since you complained about support.

You intended to sell the guide, and you feel that if you had, you shouldn't be punished anyway.

5 guides (a total of 60m) have been leaked. You'd be upset if you lost that.

The more people know about it the more likely it is to get leaked, so once again, I lose something.

The fact of the matter is, someone was leaking, we tested people, you failed.

 

[Jensen]

Sorry if i'm worng, but in my mind i would think that it's common sence to to re-sell someone elses guide :S

Well...What do you mean?
How is it the same as ripping signatures? I paid for a few pages of information, I think I'm obligated to resell it.

Plagiarism would be the rule. I didn't sell you the rights to my guide, don't act like an idiot. -.-

How is it plagiarism? I'm not claiming it as mine, your name is still on the guide, not mine. If you understood the definition of plagiarism, you'd know that is irrelevant.

No one ever said anything about Death By Pie.

Khalian told me I leaked the guide to Death By Pie, that's why you set me up. The fact is, Death By Pie knew about it before he talked to me.

I haven't talked to you on MSN since you complained about support.

Never said I've talked to you recently.

You intended to sell the guide, and you feel that if you had, you shouldn't be punished anyway.

I guess so because I can't find a rule saying I can't.

5 guides (a total of 60m) have been leaked. You'd be upset if you lost that.

I really don't care, I've never leaked the guide EVER beforehand. I don't think I'd be upset, and I certainly wouldn't set up one of my enemies because of it.

The more people know about it the more likely it is to get leaked, so once again, I lose something.

I don't understand how it applies to me. I never leaked the guide, from the bottom of my heart.

The fact of the matter is, someone was leaking, we tested people, you failed.

That "someone" was not me, the only time I had intended to leak was when you asked me to. That file has not been leaked to anybody.

 

[miklman]

Well...What do you mean?
How is it the same as ripping signatures? I paid for a few pages of information, I think I'm obligated to resell it.

That's exactly why you should be banned. Absolutely no respect. Every guide would have one sale only if people could resell them because someone would buy and then resell for 100k lower. Surprisingly, even on a site full of scammers, barely anyone does that.

 

[Shawn_]

Well...What do you mean?
How is it the same as ripping signatures? I paid for a few pages of information, I think I'm obligated to resell it.

If you bought a book from the store, copied it and made 5 books the exact same. Then you sold those books, is that legal?

Quick answer. No, it's copyright infringement.

 

[Govind]

Well...What do you mean?
How is it the same as ripping signatures? I paid for a few pages of information, I think I'm obligated to resell it.

Clash and I had quite a laugh at your idiocy..

[19:05] Govind: wow
[19:05] Govind: i wouldnt even bother with people like him
[19:05] (Clash's private MSN - edited out) (E-mail Address Not Verified): (Clash's private MSN - edited out) says: 
if you buy a book, are you allowed to photocopy the pages and sell it? 
(//.-) says: 
sure [B]
(Clash's private MSN - edited out) says: 
no, you're not 
(Clash's private MSN - edited out) says: 
and you can get fined a shit load of money. [/B]
(//.-) says: 
mhm 
(//.-) says: 
how does that apply here? 
(//.-) says: 
im definitely not seeing this logic 

[19:05] (Clash's private MSN - edited out) (E-mail Address Not Verified): that's like, a perfect parrelel
[19:06] Govind: lol..

...

[19:08] Govind: just tell him that it doesnt matter whether he "sees the logic" or not
[19:08] Govind: people arent allowed to sell other people's work without their permission, end of story

Part of a conversation we just had. Key area bolded. Now do you see the parallel?

 

[Steph]

You have got to be kidding me.

It's COMMON SENSE. Your dispute is nothing.

 

[stevenadrien2]

What an idiot...

It's like saying that your going to scam someone but you don't cause the person is Steph or something and you quickly change your mind...The fact that you meditated and were going to go thru with that idea is reason enough to ban you...Anyways, like milkman said, don't fuck w/ shit like that..You paid 12M on for it, why sell it back for 3M? In fact why sell it back at all??

You my friend, are an idiot
Good day

 

[Xjaa]

That's exactly why you should be banned. Absolutely no respect. Every guide would have one sale only if people could resell them because someone would buy and then resell for 100k lower. Surprisingly, even on a site full of scammers, barely anyone does that.

is he forced to respect you?

He said himself that he did not transfer the guide if he did not than all you can do is infract him for the spam on milklman's thread

and the lure is overpriced 60m is way to much to pay for 5 guides rethink your moral marketing principles.

Final note: I bet that wont affect your 10 guides only for sale thats just asking to leak them.

 

[stevenadrien2]

is he forced to respect you?

He said himself that he did not transfer the guide if he did not than all you can do is infract him for the spam on milklman's thread

and the lure is overpriced 60m is way to much to pay for 5 guides rethink your moral marketing principles.

Final note: I bet that wont affect your 10 guides only for sale thats just asking to leak them.

It's soo simple...
If you don't have the money then don't buy the guide, it's simple has that.

And do you not get it? If they hadn't caught him, and if it was an ACTUAL leecher or someone who wanted to buy it, he would have sold it...That's why everyone is getting mad because he was ready to violate milkman's author's rights.

 

[Jensen]

So the "fine" is a metaphor for the ban? If so, then that should be an execution. I'm getting permanently banned for this stupid shit.

That's exactly why you should be banned. Absolutely no respect. Every guide would have one sale only if people could resell them because someone would buy and then resell for 100k lower. Surprisingly, even on a site full of scammers, barely anyone does that.

Yeah, I get it. But I'm still not seeing why it matters. You're not losing anything, if people don't have enough money to pay for it, then you have nothing to lose because they won't ever pay you anyway, and you won't even know about it so I don't see how you could care.

If you bought a book from the store, copied it and made 5 books the exact same. Then you sold those books, is that legal?

Quick answer. No, it's copyright infringement.

Maybe so, but nowhere in the guide does it say anything about copyright infringement.

But it must have crossed your mind that you were selling something that ISN'T yours, you bought a cpoy, that doesn't give you any right to re-sell it.

It is mine, I paid for it, it's in my possession, if it were strictly Miklman's, he wouldn't have sold it to me. I bought it, I can do what I please.

Clash and I had quite a laugh at your idiocy..

Sorry if I happened to be the target of a random plot to "catch the leaker".
I was never a leaker in the first place.

Now do you see the parallel?

Honestly, I do, but it doesn't apply to this particular situation because he never copyrighted his guide, it's his problem he neglected to secure something he put on the internet.

You have got to be kidding me.

It's COMMON SENSE. Your dispute is nothing.

Mind telling me why? Way to barge into a thread with absolutely nothing to say in the first place.

The fact that you meditated and were going to go thru with that idea is reason enough to ban you.

How so? There was no actual transaction here, I never physically leaked anything.
You're simply looking upon the surface.

If they hadn't caught him, and if it was an ACTUAL leecher or someone who wanted to buy it, he would have sold it...That's why everyone is getting mad because he was ready to violate milkman's author's rights.

Boo hoo. Maybe he should learn to secure his material before putting it on the internet, as I said before.


What I don't understand is why it is necessary to permanently ban me for an offense like this, the guide clearly won't be leaked after this hell, I have no intention of doing it again. Why not like a months ban or something?

 

[Clashfan]

I don't care about the technicalities of his guide actually being copyrighted. It's his, he never told you that you could sell it.

 

[Steph]

Are you kidding me?

Just because something doesn't have the word "Copyright" in it doesn't mean it's not copyrighted.

For example, in school, you don't paste COPYRIGHT all over your homework and essays when you hand it in. Yet, it's still considered your work. If someone else copies it, they will get in trouble, because it's not theirs.

Just because you paid for something DOESN'T mean it's yours! Again, use the book parallel. Just because you paid for it doesn't mean it's yours completely. Yes, the physical "book" is yours. But the content IS NOT. Now apply it to the guide. The file is yours, but the content IS NOT. Thus, if you try to sell it, you are selling something that is not yours, which is copyright infringement.

 

[Conman3030]

I don't care about the technicalities of his guide actually being copyrighted. It's his, he never told you that you could sell it.

simple as that

if you cant see how this is wrong then you should be banned because your a idiot. Its just comon sence that you cant resell a guide or anything if he hasnt givin you permision. It has his name on it which is more than enough to tell you its not alright to resell it

 

[Jensen]

He never told me that I couldn't, either.

Just because something doesn't have the word "Copyright" in it doesn't mean it's not copyrighted.

Right, using that same logic, however, this copyright couldn't have existed if I wasn't ever told about it.

Just because you paid for something DOESN'T mean it's yours!

Refer to the whole copyright debate. It is mine, it's on my desktop, I can do what I please unless Miklman wants to come to my house and format my hard drive, but that's beside the point.

Yes, the physical "book" is yours. But the content IS NOT. Now apply it to the guide. The file is yours, but the content IS NOT. Thus, if you try to sell it, you are selling something that is not yours, which is copyright infringement.

The content may not be mine, but this "copyright" can't stop me, because it's non existant.

Its just comon sence that you cant resell a guide or anything if he hasnt givin you permision. It has his name on it which is more than enough to tell you its not alright to resell it

A "do not resell this guide" would've been sufficient enough to stop me.

 

[Town]

I also bought the guide. I think that was a sick way of getting Jensen banned just because he didn't like him. When I bought the guide I was told that I could release it to a few friends if they would not leak it. That would make it hard to classify this as leaking or not, but considering that Miklman set up the whole thing, I guess he would understand what was going on. Meh, I think Jensen should be banned considering he did break a rules. But I think Miklman is an asshole for doing it like that. Eww.

 

[magi]

yeah guys, seriously. Jensen has a point.

Besides, if some leecher wanted to buy it for 3mil cuz thats all he had, why not sell it to him? He wouldn't pay the 12mil anyway cuz lets face it; 12mil for a luring guide is insane.

Why not just sell to him for 3mil? Jensen would make some money and a poor noob would be happier.

 

[Conman3030]

He never told me that I couldn't, either.

but he never said you could. Its just like you stealing from a bank and then going to court. Then your case is they never said i couldnt steal from the bank? wtf use common sence.

 

[Pen]

yeah guys, seriously. Jensen has a point.

Besides, if some leecher wanted to buy it for 3mil cuz thats all he had, why not sell it to him? He wouldn't pay the 12mil anyway cuz lets face it; 12mil for a luring guide is insane.

Why not just sell to him for 3mil? Jensen would make some money and a poor noob would be happier.

Because it wouldn't be fair to the people that paid 12M.