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  1. Steph

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    My Dispute.

    And it's not Jensen's to sell. It's miklman's.
     
  2. magi

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    thats true but cmon, some people just aren't rich enough to afford the 12mil

    i'll be honest, im way too poor to get the 12mil. If i sold everything on my acc and then the acc itself then i could get it. otherwise, no way.

    Miklman wouldnt lose anything anyway since a poor person couldnt be able to afford it anyway.
     
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    Then, like I said..
    Don't buy the guide.

    It's not like your life is over just because you can't afford a 12M luring guide..Cmon people
     
  4. 00 0wn 00

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    It;s the fact that it's HIS guide. If you dont have 12m, dont buy the guide. Simple as.
     
  5. Jensen

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    My Dispute.

    Is it really fair to pay 12M for two pages of information? Is it fair to overprice a guide, not for the quality, but just for profit? I think not. If I leaked it once, it would NOT make a difference, and I mean that.
    Why not? I paid a ridiculous amount of money for it, I believe I'm entitled to redistribute the guide for a more decent price.
     
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    Yeah your gonna be banned pretty soon...
     
  7. Annex

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    My Dispute.

    Because the fine for copyright infringement is up to $250,000 would you pay that just because you resold someones guide without permission? Well you could or spend 25,000 days in jail until the fine is paid for...

    Also another Anthology would be you buying a case of Pepsi for $3.51 and selling them on the corner for $1 each. Pepsi could charge you for doing this and you would land a huge fine up to $250,000. You would have to also give all profits you made from you endeavor. The only way you would be able to do this is to purchase a Pepsi Resale License.
     
  8. Jensen

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    I know. People are only seeing the surface of everything. By the way, I like the message there buddy.
    So, how would that apply here?
    Unless Pepsi didn't create a Resale Licenses in the first place.
     
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    Well it was going to happen to you next, but now everyone knows about it since he posted it. I don't care if you think it's immorale, people bought my guide and deserve not to have it leaked. Yes, he says what do I lose. I lose 60m, but also, respect. I said only 10 guides were being sold. Now 5+ are leaked. How is that fair to those who bought it?

    If you don't have 12m, you don't deserve it. It isn't all about me getting rich. I don't want some loser who just got 3m from scamming someone on Sythe to buy my guide and get richer. Experienced players who actually like the game and can do the lure very successfully have 12m and can buy the guide. It isn't intended for the "poor noobs."

    Can we just re-ban him already?
     
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    My Dispute.

    That is where you're simply wrong. You can debate that as much as you'd like, but in the end you lose. Therefore this whole dispute is honestly meaningless, because you can't listen to reason.
     
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    *sigh*

    Just reban him, he's not doing anything useful and this isn't going anywhere.
     
  12. Jensen

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    So what if everyone else you sold it to gave the same response? There's like 5 people banned right there. That's 5 peoples access from Sythe taken right there.
    Why though? There's no loss from it being leaked.
    No it's not, because it was an overpriced guide, and if they knew they were going to be tricked they wouldn't have bought it in the first place.
    I know I lose. I just don't want to have a permanent ban. I know what I did was wrong. I'm not expecting anything but the bottom of your shoes on this one, these guys used my instinct to get me banned from the site, and I couldn't have more pity for them. Just saying I never leaked a guide, EVER. But when I was asked by them, by instinct I said yes. That's all. If you think there's still an arguement here, keep it open.
     
  13. Annex

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    My Dispute.

    If you resold his guide you are in violation of the copyright laws.
    Your ISP shows you're from the US which follows the Berne Convention.

    They did and its irrelevant whether they did or not as this is intellectual property and it is copyrighted from its creation.
     
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    My Dispute.

    If you find it so rediculous, why the hell did you buy it? If you think buying it for 12m and selling it for 3m or whatever is helping people, it's not. For 2 pages of crap about runescape 300k is overpriced, in my book.

    Perhaps this would not be an issue if you talked to milkman and payed him a fee to resell, or royalties... But no, you took it upon yourself to infringe copyright and resell his intellectual property.

    No matter how you look at this, you're technically breaking the law as you had no permission from the copyright owner to resell/distribute his work and it was not stated in any way you have the right to resell/distribute his work.

    Milkman, a word of advice: In your guides, on the first page, put a disclaimer saying that the buyer has NO right to resell or redistribute your guides. This way, there will not be any question later.
     
  15. Jensen

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    I don't see any copyright anywhere on his guide.
    My ISP is ShawCable, I'm from Canada.
    So, the analogy aside, there was no copyright ever in existance.
    You think he'd let me peek at it before I bought it? I had no idea it was going to be so crappy.
    It never happened. I've said that many times now.
    There was no copyright, there was no fine text saying I couldn't resell it, he just sent me a document with two pages of information and contact addresses on it.
     
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    i know what ure saying: dont have 12mil? dont buy it.

    but still
    unfair or not, it doesnt matter much if guide wont leak
     
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    ..what?
     
  18. Annex

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    He has it automatically copyrighted since it is creative work. Did you not see what i post or are you too stupid to understand and also Shaw Cable is a Canada/US company and both countries adhere to the convention. You fail no matter how you try to fight. You were going to violate the law.

    Shaw Cable is a Canada/US Company.

    There was. The Berne Convention placed one the second of its creation. You were planning to violate it so there for you would be charged with Conspiracy to Infringe Copyright Laws
     
  19. Jensen

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    The fact of the matter is, I never redistributed the guide to anybody, I only had intent.
     
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    Hence why I said Conspiracy to infringe. You are still being banned anyways and maybe ill send a message to the cops about what you are/were planning to do. EDIT: Enough of this Idiocricy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright for those who think redistributing is alright read that.
     
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