My Dispute.

[Steph]

And it's not Jensen's to sell. It's miklman's.

 

[magi]

Because it wouldn't be fair to the people that paid 12M.

thats true but cmon, some people just aren't rich enough to afford the 12mil

i'll be honest, im way too poor to get the 12mil. If i sold everything on my acc and then the acc itself then i could get it. otherwise, no way.

Miklman wouldnt lose anything anyway since a poor person couldnt be able to afford it anyway.

 

[stevenadrien2]

thats true but cmon, some people just aren't rich enough to afford the 12mil

i'll be honest, im way too poor to get the 12mil. If i sold everything on my acc and then the acc itself then i could get it. otherwise, no way.

Miklman wouldnt lose anything anyway since a poor person couldnt be able to afford it anyway.

Then, like I said..
Don't buy the guide.

It's not like your life is over just because you can't afford a 12M luring guide..Cmon people

 

[00 0wn 00]

thats true but cmon, some people just aren't rich enough to afford the 12mil

i'll be honest, im way too poor to get the 12mil. If i sold everything on my acc and then the acc itself then i could get it. otherwise, no way.

Miklman wouldnt lose anything anyway since a poor person couldnt be able to afford it anyway.

It;s the fact that it's HIS guide. If you dont have 12m, dont buy the guide. Simple as.

 

[Jensen]

Because it wouldn't be fair to the people that paid 12M.

Is it really fair to pay 12M for two pages of information? Is it fair to overprice a guide, not for the quality, but just for profit? I think not. If I leaked it once, it would NOT make a difference, and I mean that.

And it's not Jensen's to sell. It's miklman's.

Why not? I paid a ridiculous amount of money for it, I believe I'm entitled to redistribute the guide for a more decent price.

 

[coach thorpe]

Yeah your gonna be banned pretty soon...

 

[Annex]

yeah guys, seriously. Jensen has a point.

Besides, if some leecher wanted to buy it for 3mil cuz thats all he had, why not sell it to him? He wouldn't pay the 12mil anyway cuz lets face it; 12mil for a luring guide is insane.

Why not just sell to him for 3mil? Jensen would make some money and a poor noob would be happier.

Because the fine for copyright infringement is up to $250,000 would you pay that just because you resold someones guide without permission? Well you could or spend 25,000 days in jail until the fine is paid for...

Also another Anthology would be you buying a case of Pepsi for $3.51 and selling them on the corner for $1 each. Pepsi could charge you for doing this and you would land a huge fine up to $250,000. You would have to also give all profits you made from you endeavor. The only way you would be able to do this is to purchase a Pepsi Resale License.

 

[Jensen]

Yeah your gonna be banned pretty soon...

I know. People are only seeing the surface of everything. By the way, I like the message there buddy.

Because the fine for copyright infringement is up to $250,000 would you pay that just because you resold someones guide without permission? Well you could or spend 25,000 days in jail until the fine is paid for...

So, how would that apply here?

Also another Anthology would be you buying a case of Pepsi for $3.51 and selling them on the corner for $1 each. Pepsi could charge you for doing this and you would land a huge fine up to $250,000. You would have to also give all profits you made from you endeavor. The only way you would be able to do this is to purchase a Pepsi Resale License.

Unless Pepsi didn't create a Resale Licenses in the first place.

 

[miklman]

I also bought the guide. I think that was a sick way of getting Jensen banned just because he didn't like him. When I bought the guide I was told that I could release it to a few friends if they would not leak it. That would make it hard to classify this as leaking or not, but considering that Miklman set up the whole thing, I guess he would understand what was going on. Meh, I think Jensen should be banned considering he did break a rules. But I think Miklman is an asshole for doing it like that. Eww.

Well it was going to happen to you next, but now everyone knows about it since he posted it. I don't care if you think it's immorale, people bought my guide and deserve not to have it leaked. Yes, he says what do I lose. I lose 60m, but also, respect. I said only 10 guides were being sold. Now 5+ are leaked. How is that fair to those who bought it?

If you don't have 12m, you don't deserve it. It isn't all about me getting rich. I don't want some loser who just got 3m from scamming someone on Sythe to buy my guide and get richer. Experienced players who actually like the game and can do the lure very successfully have 12m and can buy the guide. It isn't intended for the "poor noobs."

Can we just re-ban him already?

 

[Clashfan]

I believe I'm entitled to redistribute the guide for a more decent price.

That is where you're simply wrong. You can debate that as much as you'd like, but in the end you lose. Therefore this whole dispute is honestly meaningless, because you can't listen to reason.

 

[Shawn_]

*sigh*

Just reban him, he's not doing anything useful and this isn't going anywhere.

 

[Jensen]

Well it was going to happen to you next, but now everyone knows about it since he posted it.

So what if everyone else you sold it to gave the same response? There's like 5 people banned right there. That's 5 peoples access from Sythe taken right there.

I don't care if you think it's immorale, people bought my guide and deserve not to have it leaked.

Why though? There's no loss from it being leaked.

Yes, he says what do I lose. I lose 60m, but also, respect. I said only 10 guides were being sold. Now 5+ are leaked. How is that fair to those who bought it?

No it's not, because it was an overpriced guide, and if they knew they were going to be tricked they wouldn't have bought it in the first place.

That is where you're simply wrong. You can debate that as much as you'd like, but in the end you lose. Therefore this whole dispute is honestly meaningless, because you can't listen to reason.

I know I lose. I just don't want to have a permanent ban. I know what I did was wrong. I'm not expecting anything but the bottom of your shoes on this one, these guys used my instinct to get me banned from the site, and I couldn't have more pity for them. Just saying I never leaked a guide, EVER. But when I was asked by them, by instinct I said yes. That's all. If you think there's still an arguement here, keep it open.

 

[Annex]

So, how would that apply here?

If you resold his guide you are in violation of the copyright laws.

Under the Berne Convention, copyrights for creative works do not have to be asserted or declared, as they are automatically in force at creation: an author need not "register" or "apply for" a copyright in countries adhering to the Berne Convention

Your ISP shows you're from the US which follows the Berne Convention.

Unless Pepsi didn't create and Resale Licenses in the first place.

They did and its irrelevant whether they did or not as this is intellectual property and it is copyrighted from its creation.

 

Is it really fair to pay 12M for two pages of information? Is it fair to overprice a guide, not for the quality, but just for profit? I think not. If I leaked it once, it would NOT make a difference, and I mean that.

Why not? I paid a ridiculous amount of money for it, I believe I'm entitled to redistribute the guide for a more decent price.

If you find it so rediculous, why the hell did you buy it? If you think buying it for 12m and selling it for 3m or whatever is helping people, it's not. For 2 pages of crap about runescape 300k is overpriced, in my book.

Perhaps this would not be an issue if you talked to milkman and payed him a fee to resell, or royalties... But no, you took it upon yourself to infringe copyright and resell his intellectual property.

No matter how you look at this, you're technically breaking the law as you had no permission from the copyright owner to resell/distribute his work and it was not stated in any way you have the right to resell/distribute his work.

Milkman, a word of advice: In your guides, on the first page, put a disclaimer saying that the buyer has NO right to resell or redistribute your guides. This way, there will not be any question later.

 

[Jensen]

If you resold his guide you are in violation of the copyright laws.

I don't see any copyright anywhere on his guide.

Your ISP shows you're from the US which follows the Berne Convention.

My ISP is ShawCable, I'm from Canada.

They did and its irrelevant whether they did or not as this is intellectual property and it is copyrighted from its creation.

So, the analogy aside, there was no copyright ever in existance.

If you find it so rediculous, why the hell did you buy it? If you think buying it for 12m and selling it for 3m or whatever is helping people, it's not. For 2 pages of crap about runescape 300k is overpriced, in my book.

You think he'd let me peek at it before I bought it? I had no idea it was going to be so crappy.

Perhaps this would not be an issue if you talked to milkman and payed him a fee to resell, or royalties... But no, you took it upon yourself to infringe copyright and resell his intellectual property.

It never happened. I've said that many times now.

No matter how you look at this, you're technically breaking the law as you had no permission from the copyright owner to resell/distribute his work and it was not stated in any way you have the right to resell/distribute his work.

There was no copyright, there was no fine text saying I couldn't resell it, he just sent me a document with two pages of information and contact addresses on it.

 

[magi]

i know what ure saying: dont have 12mil? dont buy it.

but still
unfair or not, it doesnt matter much if guide wont leak

 

[Pen]

i know what ure saying: dont have 12mil? dont buy it.

but still
unfair or not, it doesnt matter much if guide wont leak

..what?

 

[Annex]

I don't see any copyright anywhere on his guide.

He has it automatically copyrighted since it is creative work. Did you not see what i post or are you too stupid to understand and also Shaw Cable is a Canada/US company and both countries adhere to the convention. You fail no matter how you try to fight. You were going to violate the law.

My ISP is ShawCable, I'm from Canada.

Shaw Cable is a Canada/US Company.

So, the analogy aside, there was no copyright ever in existance.

There was. The Berne Convention placed one the second of its creation. You were planning to violate it so there for you would be charged with Conspiracy to Infringe Copyright Laws

 

[Jensen]

The fact of the matter is, I never redistributed the guide to anybody, I only had intent.

 

[Annex]

Hence why I said Conspiracy to infringe. You are still being banned anyways and maybe ill send a message to the cops about what you are/were planning to do. EDIT: Enough of this Idiocricy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright for those who think redistributing is alright read that.