Mods associated with trust in trading..

[Kabal]

A mod's vouches (Lordhooters)
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=723859

My vouches
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=942033

Love to hear how he's more trusted than I am. Considering he's easily one of the most trusted people on the site.

No offense to you lordhooters. Just an explanation.

Mod doesn't = more trusted.

I only scrolled through your vouches a little bit and found these

"vouch for punker punk. MMed his fury kit trade. nice guy"

"Vouch for punkerpunk13, bought my Yellow for $110. plsnate mm'ed, and everything went great."

You seem very trusted from some of your vouches though, I saw many 200-700m trades.

But I still don't really see the point of this thread, just sounds like you're frustrated that Mods have an easier time buying/selling. That's just how it is unfortunately I find it a bit distasteful that you posted Lordhooters though. Never seen the guy try to claim he's more trusted than anyone else or anything like that

 

[Punkerpunk13]

http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=979876

I have much less vouches than you, and CONSIDERABLY less trading experience - but you're saying that everyone should actually trust you more? Why so?

If I've traded more than you and handled more cash and have more to show for trading than you, why shouldn't somebody go first to me over you? Regardless that you served the community as staff, it has nothing to do with trading does it? No. Staff and trading are two completely separate things. I'm not saying mods aren't trusted in any way, I'm just saying being a mod doesn't make somebody more trusted in trading. Especially if somebody else has much more to show for themselves.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

I only scrolled through your vouches a little bit and found these

"vouch for punker punk. MMed his fury kit trade. nice guy"

"Vouch for punkerpunk13, bought my Yellow for $110. plsnate mm'ed, and everything went great."

You seem very trusted from some of your vouches though, I saw many 200-700m trades.

But I still don't really see the point of this thread, just sounds like you're frustrated that Mods have an easier time buying/selling. That's just how it is unfortunately I find it a bit distasteful that you posted Lordhooters though. Never seen the guy try to claim he's more trusted than anyone else or anything like that

I don't have any trouble of getting sales. Your also looking at my first vouches, not the actual big ones that are scrolled down the list. I simply said that lordhooters was an example. It hasn't got anything to do with him. He's an example.. I'm not even sure if he buys/sells anything. I'm sure you've noticed the threads of only going first to mod+. Like to see how a mod is more trusted just because of their rank is all.

 

[Alteranz]

I don't quite get it though, you're trying to say other member's should trust members such as yourself over the Staff team... yet trust is completely subjective - you can't influence this.
People will trust Staff regardless of their trading experience BECAUSE of their stance on the site - their social/community standing and contributions trumps a number of trades in the market. There are not multiple facets of trustworthiness, it is completely collective - and trust is created through multiple factors; not just exchanging RSGP.

 

[Kabal]

I don't have any trouble of getting sales. Your also looking at my first vouches, not the actual big ones that are scrolled down the list. I simply said that lordhooters was an example. It hasn't got anything to do with him. He's an example.. I'm not even sure if he buys/sells anything. I'm sure you've noticed the threads of only going first to mod+. Like to see how a mod is more trusted just because of their rank is all.

When people say that, they are mostly scammers or consider themselves trusted enough to have people go first to them with whatever amount they are selling. Or they are trying to weed out the Feb 2011+ join dates spamming their thread asking them to go first.

Just tell them to look over your vouches and they may reconsider

 

[ChristmasCracker]

Correct. This back's up what's been happening over the last few month's. A mod say's his msn has been hacked and get's away with a huge scam leaving a member out of pocket. You cannot just " Hack " a msn. The only way to " hack " a msn is via social engineering. This is also hard as you have to have almost every detail about the owner of the MSN. Including full name, address, age, security question's etc.
I was going to make a topic about this, but then i had a bad feeling there might be a power abusing mod about. No disrespect to the staff.

If a mod or a staff members msn gets hacked.
The mod or staff member is required to pay it back, or they will remain banned.

If they pay it back, they get their status back.
Stupid fool.


And as for the mod trust thing, I do see this A LOT.
People trust "User Educators" or now known as Community something or another, over regular members.

It's just how the ball rolls. Unfair as hell, but it's just what it is.




As for lordhooters. He's an awesome and swell fellow to know, but that is kinda stupid.
People see his modship and are like OMFG TRUSTED
But I don't think they even look at his 27 vouches.


Alteranz, I would trust Punker with more than I would trust Lordhooters(and yourself), simply because Punker has experience in the trading business. He knows what he is doing. He makes money doing what he does. Lordhooters doesn't. Lordhooters has no income from being a mod, so he will be more tempted to scam and try to get away with it (NOT SAYING HE WILL, LORDHOOTERS IS A GOOD GUY, JUST AN EXAMPLE OFMGOFGFOMG)
If you say they will make more money being legit, that is a lie.
I hardly know anyone who will use a OMM and pay the fee fully.
Tons of large-scale trades going on on Sythe daily, without the use of a OMM.

I myself have never used an OMM. I base the people I trust, on what they do. Not who they are. You can be anyone you want, but you can't do anything you want.

 

[Alteranz]

Staff and Ranked Members also have a lot more on the line than someone like yourself.
If you owned a huge food chain such as Mcdonalds, I would still trust someone such as the Queen over you because of the sheer amount of responsibility she has been entrusted with. Your trading experience has nothing to do with it - the Queen is in a position of power and what she must do in this role outweighs any trading experience.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

I don't quite get it though, you're trying to say other member's should trust members such as yourself over the Staff team... yet trust is completely subjective - you can't influence this.
People will trust Staff regardless of their trading experience BECAUSE of their stance on the site - their social/community standing and contributions trumps a number of trades in the market. There are not multiple facets of trustworthiness, it is completely collective - and trust is created through multiple factors; not just exchanging RSGP.

Your seriously telling me that being a moderator outweighs every other member? I seriously lol'd, correct me if I'm wrong on this though. If you really thing somebody with like 30 vouches is more trusted than viou or somebody like that just because he's a mod, your an idiot. Staff does influence trust, but doesn't have everything to do with it. If you really believe just because somebody is staff that they are ultimately trusted, your as dumb as a rock.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Staff and Ranked Members also have a lot more on the line than someone like yourself.
If you owned a huge food chain such as Mcdonalds, I would still trust someone such as the Queen over you because of the sheer amount of responsibility she has been entrusted with. Your trading experience has nothing to do with it - the Queen is in a position of power and what she must do in this role outweighs any trading experience.

Your also seeing these people face to face and have connections with them. I wouldn't trust the queen to deliver a good Mc. Donalds meal to me over the head of Mc. Donalds though. Would you?

 

A mod's vouches (Lordhooters)
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=723859

My vouches
http://sythe.org/showthread.php?t=942033

Love to hear how he's more trusted than I am. Considering he's easily one of the most trusted people on the site.

No offense to you lordhooters. Just an explanation.

Mod doesn't = more trusted.

Just saying: There are different kinds of trust. The amount of vouches or money handled doesn't always define trust.

 

[Kabal]

I def agree that there are people I would trust more with my 2bill then some mods. Take R2Plesant back in the day for example, he never needed to be a mod and was the most trusted mill seller.

Btw what exactly is the point of this thread?

 

[Alteranz]

You'd do well to have a bit more respect for other members of this site - posts laden with insults is not the way to go.

I didn't say that having a site ranking is the only influential factor in trustworthiness - of course there are other things that can contribute to it. What I'm saying is that staff responsibility and position on the site easily trumps a bunch of market trades. If Matthew, the Site Admin (who from what I can find has no recorded vouches), began trading in the Market would you still continue to trust another member such as Viou over him?

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Just saying: There are different kinds of trust. The amount of vouches or money handled doesn't always define trust.

I would trust lordhooters to handle a situation of a scam report or something along those lines. Hahanerd, how does when it comes to trading. When it comes down to it, your gonna trust somebody with more experience than somebody without as much experience.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

You'd do well to have a bit more respect for other members of this site - posts laden with insults is not the way to go.

I didn't say that having a site ranking is the only influential factor in trustworthiness - of course there are other things that can contribute to it. What I'm saying is that staff responsibility and position on the site easily trumps a bunch of market trades. If Matthew, the Site Admin (who from what I can find has no recorded vouches), began trading in the Market would you still continue to trust another member such as Viou over him?

Matthew also has loads to show for himself, considering he's got everybody's password, has had the ability to scam loads, has handled loads through donations.. He doesn't buy/sell, but he's handled that much. He's proven his self as trusted. Him being an admin has nothing to do with it. Took the admin bit away, I'd still trust him no doubt. Just because of the donations & the ability to scam with people's accounts so much easily.

 

[Alteranz]

Matthew also has loads to show for himself, considering he's got everybody's password, has had the ability to scam loads, has handled loads through donations.. He doesn't buy/sell, but he's handled that much. He's proven his self as trusted. Him being an admin has nothing to do with it. Took the admin bit away, I'd still trust him no doubt. Just because of the donations & the ability to scam with people's accounts so much easily.

Ah the contradictions young Padawan! I think you've answered your own dilemma here...

 

[Alteranz]

Staff members are in positions of power. With power comes corruption - the fact that a staff member has not abused their power for their own gain is easily enough to outweigh some market trades.

 

[cosrob97]

Mods are less likely to scam because they value their position here on sythe more than some rsgp. So it would be more likely for a mod to scam 1b than 400m, thus, you would think you can go first to a mod because they are less likely to scam you. It's the same way with donors, they're less likely to scam less than the amount they donated.

 

[RsProd]

Mods value their positions on this site more then the AVERAGE user. They have a ton more to lose then regular members.
I'm with Alt on this, I would trust a mod on this site over regular members, simply because of the trust they have been given.
The upper team who picks them obviously see's something in them over the regular user, and therefore places their trust in that user. Which I do too.
There isn't a mod on this site I wouldn't go first to.

 

[Punkerpunk13]

Staff members are in positions of power. With power comes corruption - the fact that a staff member has not abused their power for their own gain is easily enough to outweigh some market trades.

No I haven't actually. I'd go first to anybody else that's got that much trading experience too..

Mods are less likely to scam because they value their position here on sythe more than some rsgp. So it would be more likely for a mod to scam 1b than 400m, thus, you would think you can go first to a mod because they are less likely to scam you. It's the same way with donors, they're less likely to scam less than the amount they donated.

People that have traded that much more are less likely to 50m if they've been trusted with billions. It has nothing to do with mods being potential scammers. It's got to do with being a mod doesn't mean your some how 100x as a trusted as other traders. I don't doubt that very little mods would scam, but I also doubt that RsProd is less likely to scam than a few mods.. Also, I think there should be something like this on donors as well. Just because you donated $500 to Sythe, doesn't mean you won't scam $300 twice..

Mods value their positions on this site more then the AVERAGE user. They have a ton more to lose then regular members.
I'm with Alt on this, I would trust a mod on this site over regular members, simply because of the trust they have been given.
The upper team who picks them obviously see's something in them over the regular user, and therefore places their trust in that user. Which I do too.
There isn't a mod on this site I wouldn't go first to.

What do you consider the average user then? You consider yourself as an average user? Personally, I wouldn't consider you as an average user.

 

[Torsionn]

I totally agree with you. A person should go first in a trade based upon the Trades. Not the number of trades, but upon the actual Trade worth.