Logical proof that God exists

[WhereIsTheGod]

Infidel told me to make a corollary.

1. No human beings are necessary.
2. Only necessary beings are God.
3. Jesus was a human being.
4. Jesus is not a necessary being.
Conclusion: Jesus is not God.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Infidel told me to make a corollary.

1. No human beings are necessary.
2. Only necessary beings are God.
3. Jesus was a human being.
4. Jesus is not a necessary being.
Conclusion: Jesus is not God.

Valid logic, except that Christians say that Jesus was a human AND the Son of God.

 

[Infidel Awakening]

Valid logic, except that Christians say that Jesus was a human AND the Son of God.

This is true, yet, if you strip Jesus of all attributes as you did of God, he becomes a mere human, not existence. Thus he is not necessary... Making Christianity flawed?

 

[Shredderbeam]

This is true, yet, if you strip Jesus of all attributes as you did of God, he becomes a mere human, not existence. Thus he is not necessary... Making Christianity flawed?

If you strip anything of ALL attributes, then it is nothing. You'd have to strip it of all attributes but existence for that logic to be valid.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

If you strip anything of ALL attributes, then it is nothing. You'd have to strip it of all attributes but existence for that logic to be valid.

Let's say that.

The only property that something has is existence.

...this is so abstract that I can't think something like this (no mass, no energy, nothing but it being in existence).

 

[Infidel Awakening]

If you strip anything of ALL attributes, then it is nothing. You'd have to strip it of all attributes but existence for that logic to be valid.

...smartass.

You know what I meant.
When I'm high I just voice my points, I don't think them through completely for ANY flaws. Replace 'ALL' with 'inhuman'.

 

[Shredderbeam]

...smartass.

You know what I meant.
When I'm high I just voice my points, I don't think them through completely for ANY flaws. Replace 'ALL' with 'inhuman'.

If you strip Jesus of all inhuman traits, then he is but human. Yet, a human does not "necessarily" exist.

 

[the_wippit]

Whether God can or cannot create Himself, a believer must land himself upon one of the two horns of this DILEMMA:

God can create Himself out of NOTHING. Therefore, NOTHINGNESS is greater than Him.

Or God cannot create Himself out of NOTHING. Therefore, He is not absolute. He is relative, weak, and completely redundant.

In many respects, the idea of God is very similar to the idea of a little spot, which is completely black and completely white at the same time! Such a spot cannot exist as a real possibility, because it is self-contradictory.

Every thing whose concept is contradictory does not exist.
The concept of God is contradictory.
Therefore, God does not exist.

 

[Box Of Candy]

If god existed, there would be no Gay Rights, because being homosexualy is against his will. Thus, god does not exist.

 

[Shredderbeam]

If god existed, there would be no Gay Rights, because being homosexualy is against his will. Thus, god does not exist.

That was the WORST logic EVER.

First, God's will is unknowable. You're assuming that the Judeo-Christian God is who God really is.

Second, even if God didn't like homosexuality, perhaps he just doesn't do anything about it. Ever hear of something called free will?

the_wippit, why is the concept of God contradictory?

 

[Bob_Jimmy]

Well, i just stay by the fact that they are no prooves that god exists..
so live ur life like its your last

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

Theists and atheists don't really need to be offended by this proof. It's like it's your god that he's proving.

(In my mind, I replaced god with Sun. Although, shredder might argue that the Sun is also... not needed...)

 

[verryberry10]

Okay shredderbeam, its time to condradict with you. I have logical proof that god does not exist, which lies within the theory of evolution. Evolution explains everything that ever happened to us. How we came to become man, how we are man, plus we cannot have been created AS we are. It definetly is not rational. God does contradict itself, therefore if god exists than god exists. See, total contradiction. add my msn, i want to prove to you. see my signature.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Theists and atheists don't really need to be offended by this proof. It's like it's your god that he's proving.

(In my mind, I replaced god with Sun. Although, shredder might argue that the Sun is also... not needed...)

Bah! Necessary, in this context, does not mean needed! It means that if something exists, it it impossible for it not to exist, and if it doesn't exist, then it is impossible for it to exist.

Okay shredderbeam, its time to condradict with you. I have logical proof that god does not exist, which lies within the theory of evolution. Evolution explains everything that ever happened to us. How we came to become man, how we are man, plus we cannot have been created AS we are. It definetly is not rational. God does contradict itself, therefore if god exists than god exists. See, total contradiction. add my msn, i want to prove to you. see my signature.

Evolution is a theory that explains how man originated. It has nothing to do with the actual existence of God.

And you didn't really explain how God contradicted himself.

 

[verryberry10]

bah shredder. I explained with the theory of evolution how the bible lies several times according to rational evidence, i thought you were intelligent enough to understand this. the bible says "god created all things as they are" We now know this is obviously not true. And if god doesnt exist, he doesnt exist, and if he does he does, you have the theory wrong, hes contradicting himself already.

 

[Shredderbeam]

bah shredder. I explained with the theory of evolution how the bible lies several times according to rational evidence

Well, you can interpret the Bible as literal, or metaphorical. If you interpret it as metaphorical, then it's certainly not "lying".

Yet also, that would not prove anything. Nothing in science is 100% provable, you know.

the bible says "god created all things as they are" We now know this is obviously not true.

Oh, the Biblical God is the only conceivable version of God?

And if god doesnt exist, he doesnt exist, and if he does he does, you have the theory wrong, hes contradicting himself already.

I think you have misread what I have written.

If God's existence = true, then the possibility of God not existing = untrue.

If God's existence = false, then the possibility of God existing = untrue.

 

[verryberry10]

yes, i did misread. My theory makes perfect sense in my head, but i have trouble putting it into words. I'm like that.

 

[WhereIsTheGod]

Well, necessary does not mean needed?

I may not grasp your meaning of it... But, are you then saying that the Sun is not necessary?

 

[Shredderbeam]

Well, necessary does not mean needed?

I may not grasp your meaning of it... But, are you then saying that the Sun is not necessary?

Yes, I am.

 

[Walk On Home]

Because you know...Our planet can always go on without the sun, right?