Is liquid cooling necessary for this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116877&Tpk=intel%203970x&IsVirtualParent=1


This is the processor that I'm planning to buy (its going to be like a $5500 build) probably oc'd to 4.5Ggzish. I'm worried that it might get too hot with fan cooling, does anyone have any experience with this/any recommendations? How much would it cost to set up a liquid cooling system if I decided to do it? Is it doable by someone who has never put together a liquid cooling system before?(maybe I could get help from someone?)

edit: And no, I don't want to downgrade and I don't want an AMD processor.

 

[kubaxplx]

I dont think that you really need a liquid cooling system unless u want it to look cool. A good, powerful power supply(SeaSonic, Corsair) will do the job. Dont forget you'll be getting a separate fan with this processor that will help to absorb some of that heat as well. A case with a good ventilation(Look up Cooler Master cases) really makes the difference too so dont just grab anything. Btw, what you gonna do with this monster? If its mainly for gaming than in my opinion you could get a similar power for at least half less. You dont really need all the new stuff in a pc cause they are surely not the best option when you compare money vs. performance.

 

[chillinggg]

What about upgrade ? Wait for the 4970x if you can.

Anyway if you insist on 3970x and 4.5ghz overclock, I say buy a closed-loop pre-filled water cooler. I have Corsair h110. It cools more than enough, isn't loud, requires no maintenance whatsoever(except for dust cleaning ofc) and comes with a 5 year warranty. Expensive custom loops are better, but you don't need that extreme an overlock. Besides you will have hardtime assembling one, and the risk of leakage is higher.

A closed-loop water cooler would cost you around 120-150$ while a decent custom loop is selling at 500-600$ (gpu and ram loops included ofc)

 

[n4n0]

If you're overclocking, then yes I highly suggest getting liquid cooling for the CPU.

 

I dont think that you really need a liquid cooling system unless u want it to look cool. A good, powerful power supply(SeaSonic, Corsair) will do the job. Dont forget you'll be getting a separate fan with this processor that will help to absorb some of that heat as well. A case with a good ventilation(Look up Cooler Master cases) really makes the difference too so dont just grab anything. Btw, what you gonna do with this monster? If its mainly for gaming than in my opinion you could get a similar power for at least half less. You dont really need all the new stuff in a pc cause they are surely not the best option when you compare money vs. performance.

Yes, I plan on getting a cooler master case :3 I'm planning on using it for general computing, gaming, video editing, rendering etc. I know its totally overkill and the price hits the point of diminishing return but I don't care, I want the best

What about upgrade ? Wait for the 4970x if you can.

Anyway if you insist on 3970x and 4.5ghz overclock, I say buy a closed-loop pre-filled water cooler. I have Corsair h110. It cools more than enough, isn't loud, requires no maintenance whatsoever(except for dust cleaning ofc) and comes with a 5 year warranty. Expensive custom loops are better, but you don't need that extreme an overlock. Besides you will have hardtime assembling one, and the risk of leakage is higher.

A closed-loop water cooler would cost you around 120-150$ while a decent custom loop is selling at 500-600$ (gpu and ram loops included ofc)

Any idea when that's coming out? Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it! (This is a nooby question but will I need two of those?)

If you're overclocking, then yes I highly suggest getting liquid cooling for the CPU.

Its not going to be an insane oc or anything, its going from 3.5Ghz default to 4.5Ghz. Do you think a closed loop system would be okay?


edit: after doing some more reading it seems like a 4.5Ghz overclock is really on the borderline between fan cooling and liquid cooling. Seems like I should be okay with a spacious box and a good air cooling setup, correct me if I'm wrong?

 

[I'm Still Breathing]

Any idea when that's coming out? Thanks for the advice, I'll look into it! (This is a nooby question but will I need two of those?)

Ivy Bridge-e processor are slated for a September launch I believe. The top end SKU will be the 4960x.

Its not going to be an insane oc or anything, its going from 3.5Ghz default to 4.5Ghz. Do you think a closed loop system would be okay?


edit: after doing some more reading it seems like a 4.5Ghz overclock is really on the borderline between fan cooling and liquid cooling. Seems like I should be okay with a spacious box and a good air cooling setup, correct me if I'm wrong?

It all depends on your cpu. You could get lucky and get 4.5GHz easily with air cooling or you could get very unlocky and even with a triple radiator custom loop you won't reach 4.5GHz.

Honestly with the amount of money you're spending I don't see any reason not to go with water cooling. A Corsair h110 is going to outpreform any air cooler and it's only going to run you maybe $40-50 more than a top end air cooler.

 

Ivy Bridge-e processor are slated for a September launch I believe. The top end SKU will be the 4960x.


It all depends on your cpu. You could get lucky and get 4.5GHz easily with air cooling or you could get very unlocky and even with a triple radiator custom loop you won't reach 4.5GHz.

Honestly with the amount of money you're spending I don't see any reason not to go with water cooling. A Corsair h110 is going to outpreform any air cooler and it's only going to run you maybe $40-50 more than a top end air cooler.

Yeah, its definitely not a question of money, I'm just worried about the slight chance that it might leak/read somewhere that closed look setups don't really perform much better than good air cooling setups. Will I need to buy two (one for cpu/gpu)?

 

[n4n0]

for 3.5 to 4.5, a closed loop would be just fine. I run a 3.6 to 4.6 on my 3820 and it runs very cool, even in a hot room.

Regardless, if you're overclocking, you'll want at the VERY LEAST, a very good aftermarket air cooler. I suggest just going for a closed loop liquid system personally.

 

for 3.5 to 4.5, a closed loop would be just fine. I run a 3.6 to 4.6 on my 3820 and it runs very cool, even in a hot room.

Regardless, if you're overclocking, you'll want at the VERY LEAST, a very good aftermarket air cooler. I suggest just going for a closed loop liquid system personally.

Thanks N4N0, this may very well be what I decide to do. I have a couple questions for you though.

Is there a specific closed loop that you recommend? I want something that'll be at least somewhat quiet and not break on me. (price isn't necessarily an obstacle) And hey, if there any any closed loops that come with cool neon liquids that's a plus in my eyes

If I install duel titans(which I may or may not moderately oc) should I also get a self contained liquid cooling system for each of those as well? If so, do you have any recommendations?

Also a stupid question, I assume that there will still be some fans that I sit in the case so I'm combining the two systems?

edit: I'll be getting a full sized case already setup for liquid cooling compatibility etc, space shouldn't be too big of a concern to me.

 

[Noodles :)]

High end air coolers are usually better then the closed loops.

 

[chillinggg]

High end air coolers are usually better then the closed loops.

Bullsh*t. Better in what way ? High end closed loops cool much better than the best air cooler - Phanteks TC14PE. Check these out:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_h110/4.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/Corsair-H110-CPU-Cooler-Review/1736

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/33257-corsair-h90-h110?showall=1&limitstart=

 

Bullsh*t. Better in what way ? High end closed loops cool much better than the best air cooler - Phanteks TC14PE. Check these out:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_h110/4.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/Corsair-H110-CPU-Cooler-Review/1736

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/33257-corsair-h90-h110?showall=1&limitstart=

I really appreciate the links Chillinggg, if you happen to drop by this thread again I still have some questions:

"f I install duel titans(which I may or may not moderately oc) should I also get a self contained liquid cooling system for each of those as well? If so, do you have any recommendations?

Also a stupid question, I assume that there will still be some fans that I sit in the case so I'm combining the two systems?

edit: I'll be getting a full sized case already setup for liquid cooling compatibility etc, space shouldn't be too big of a concern to me."

 

[chillinggg]

Well, I don't imagine you'll need to overclock sli titans anytime soon. They can handle pretty much anything.

As for cooling them: there are no self contained liquid cooling systems for GPUs(well, there are a few but let's just say they are not worth it)

All the titans currently on the market use reference design cooling. It barely does its job in sli configurations. In light of that I recommed that you cool your pair of titans with custom watercooling setup. Since you are inexperienced in this field, why don't you just pay someone to assemble your system for you ? Ask the guys you're planning on buying your components from if they provide such service. If not, just go to the nearest pc repair shop.

To answer your second question: Yes, you will have fans in your case but they come with your case so you don't need to by any extra. Just don't forget your custom water cooling setup needs fans too. I assume you need help choosing all the water cooling components but I can't help you with that. As I said I use self-containted water cooler so I have no experience with custom water cooling solutions.

 

Well, I don't imagine you'll need to overclock sli titans anytime soon. They can handle pretty much anything.

As for cooling them: there are no self contained liquid cooling systems for GPUs(well, there are a few but let's just say they are not worth it)

All the titans currently on the market use reference design cooling. It barely does its job in sli configurations. In light of that I recommed that you cool your pair of titans with custom watercooling setup. Since you are inexperienced in this field, why don't you just pay someone to assemble your system for you ? Ask the guys you're planning on buying your components from if they provide such service. If not, just go to the nearest pc repair shop.

To answer your second question: Yes, you will have fans in your case but they come with your case so you don't need to by any extra. Just don't forget your custom water cooling setup needs fans too. I assume you need help choosing all the water cooling components but I can't help you with that. As I said I use self-containted water cooler so I have no experience with custom water cooling solutions.

Thanks for your answers! Unfortunately I'm really not ready to jump into full fledged water cooling yet because even a self contained liquid cooling system will have me on the verge of a constant heart attack. I suppose that I'll buy one of the liquid cooling loops mentioned above, then cool my titans the best I can with high end fans(and not oc them whatsoever). I should be alright though..right?

Also I plan on doing this build myself but I'll have a computer engineer(friend of mine) with me making sure I don't break anything as this is a lot higher caliber of a build than I've ever done before.

 

[AsAngelsCry]

If you ever overclock, you can never go wrong with liquid cooling. My personal experience has been astounding. I have never had a problem with them and overclocking is a breeze.

If you have never done liquid cooling, now would be a excellent time to try it out if you decide to go with that processor.

 

[chillinggg]

Thanks for your answers! Unfortunately I'm really not ready to jump into full fledged water cooling yet because even a self contained liquid cooling system will have me on the verge of a constant heart attack. I suppose that I'll buy one of the liquid cooling loops mentioned above, then cool my titans the best I can with high end fans(and not oc them whatsoever). I should be alright though..right?

Also I plan on doing this build myself but I'll have a computer engineer(friend of mine) with me making sure I don't break anything as this is a lot higher caliber of a build than I've ever done before.

You're welcome

I understand your fear. In that case why don't you look at the recently released Gigabyte Titan Windforce 3x? It hit the european market a couple of days ago so it's not gonna take long to see it over @ newegg.com
...the only problem being your engineer friend will have to help you install the windforce cooler as it comes separately.

The Gigabyte Titan features higher core and memory clocks than the stock ones, so you wont feel the need to overclock anytime soon. But if you decide to do so this custom gigabyte cooler is more than able to dissipate heat( up to 450 W which is insane). Just make sure you have the right motherboard and case for these huge beasts.

 

You're welcome

I understand your fear. In that case why don't you look at the recently released Gigabyte Titan Windforce 3x? It hit the european market a couple of days ago so it's not gonna take long to see it over @ newegg.com
...the only problem being your engineer friend will have to help you install the windforce cooler as it comes separately.

The Gigabyte Titan features higher core and memory clocks than the stock ones, so you wont feel the need to overclock anytime soon. But if you decide to do so this custom gigabyte cooler is more than able to dissipate heat( up to 450 W which is insane). Just make sure you have the right motherboard and case for these huge beasts.

Thanks for the help! I'll have to carefully consider this vs a couple 780's which have more options when it comes to aftermarket cooling.

All my questions have been answered guys, thanks for the help!

/thread!

 

[Noodles :)]

Bullsh*t. Better in what way ? High end closed loops cool much better than the best air cooler - Phanteks TC14PE. Check these out:

http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/corsair_hydro_h110/4.html

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/printpage/Corsair-H110-CPU-Cooler-Review/1736

http://www.hitechlegion.com/reviews/cooling/liquid/33257-corsair-h90-h110?showall=1&limitstart=

theyre cheaper, and perform almost identically. havent heard of any of those sites you linked, nor do i car to read the entire review, but here you go to please you.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/corsair_h110_review,13.html
idle - h110i 3-4c cooler(idle means nothing rly, as long as its not super hot who cares?
load - on par with D14 and prolly few other coolers.

please explain how theyre so much better?


cbf reading rest of thread

 

[chillinggg]

I can link you many more sites showing H110 blowing d14 away. Guru3d's results make no sense at all. Do I need to explain why ? Think of the difference of the airflows in both cases. They probably tuned the H110 down to 1100RPM to match D14's rate which is bullsh*t. Either that, or they had been paid by Noctua to fabricate these results.

 

[Noodles :)]

I can link you many more sites showing H110 blowing d14 away. Guru3d's results make no sense at all. Do I need to explain why ? Think of the difference of the airflows in both cases. They probably tuned the H110 down to 1100RPM to match D14's rate which is bullsh*t. Either that, or they had been paid by Noctua to fabricate these results.

LMAO, no need to be mad that your precious AIO kit isn't amazing like you expected it, high end air coolers are just as good as AIO kits, at a cheaper price.
Don't assume that they did anything to fuck up the results, just face the facts mate.