Injure Open OSRS plugin dispute

[blazenrs]

I was unaware that injure was warned by developers at oprs that the plugin was going to break. he sold it reguardless and just like he was told, it broke. When asking him to fix it, he said no, and when asking for a refund for the “lifetime” membership I purchased, which lasted about 6 days...he told me lifetime means as long as it lasts.

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net...yazo.com/3ee7d249043521bd1f4c0bddfd7ded07.mp4

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net...yazo.com/6a727396e14fa1fbd39f67de36ef5be1.mp4

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net...yazo.com/32db80dc68004554b4e4144ef2d48ea5.mp4

So apparently he also thinks its okay to sell me a file for a "lifetime" that is useless as well. I doubt he refund me 108m but maybe i can at least get him banned off sythe.

 

Hey, i sold you a plugin for lifetime use (the duration of a thing's existence or usefulness). In this case the plugin that i sold you was used for lifetime. What lifetime in this circumstance means is: The plugin is the object that i sold you (virtual object in this case). The plugin is an object which has a livelihood. The livelihood in this case was unknown. You knew that before buying it, you never asked about it which means you had no trouble with the fact that the livelihood was unknown (this is a fair assumption). If you would have problems with this, you should have asked me before buying the plugin and then i could have explained this to you on beforehand. You did not bring this matter up on beforehand, so i assumed you were aware of this fact. The livelihood (that was unknown until now) of this object was low, but i could not have known that. You took that risk before buying this plugin and now you're trying to use that risk to portrait ME as a scammer which i am not. It is out of my reach that the developers of OpenOSRS decided to eliminate all external plugins. They never did this and there's loads of external plugins that have been added to openOSRS before which never caused any trouble, so how could i have known this would happen to exactly this plugin? You gave me the money for the plugin because you thought lifetime would mean a very long time (this is the risk YOU took). To specify what risk you took: You took the risk of buying the plugin assuming the developers of OpenOSRS would never delete the external plugins feature. You knew, before buying the plugin, that it is possible that the developers of OpenOSRS can remove the feature of external plugins. In this case it didn't last very long till they did, which means the risk that you took did not pay off. I am sorry for your loss, but there is nothing i can or could have done about it. Hopefully you understand.

Sincerely

Injure

 

[blazenrs]

it's not right to advertise something as lifetime that he knew would break. It is never up to the buyer to ask questions regarding how something is advertised, it should be taken in good faith that the advertisement reflects the sellers best knowing intention. If you have a vehicle, and take it to a mechanic, and the mechanic tells you, it will not last much longer, then you sell that same car, advertising it as reliable, and saying it will last you a lifetime..and someone buys it, and finds out the mechanic's opinion was 100% correct, that's called a scam.

 

How am i suppose to know their are risks to a lifetime purchase if you don't warn me before hand. I really shouldn't have to ask.

lifetime means that it doesn't last forever, i did not know the openosrs devs were planning to close all external plugins before i sold you it, i realised after.

 

[blazenrs]

You realized after? Well op sent me screenshots of him telling you.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696830527034097776/700025635262955561/image0.png

then you selling it to me 2 days later

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/696830527034097776/700025635262955561/image0.png


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Its clear that injure was very aware of the situation and still continued to sell to people.

 

[blazenrs]

Even if you did not know ahead of time for my sale, you continued bumping and selling after you found out. No admin here is going to think it's acceptable to sell a "Lifetime" product, that after a week is gone. Lifetime implies it will last over a year, in my eyes, so let's say it's a year. I paid you 108m, i got 1 week, that would mean I got 2.07m's worth of use. So i expect, at least 100m back.

 

[blazenrs]

If it’s your plugin why would you not update it to work with the new external manager and send me an updated version? Unless it wasn’t your plugin to sell? I paid for this believing it was lifetime and if OpenOSRS did an update this would be compatible

 

You are saying that lifetimes implies a year for you in YOUR eyes. Lifetime has a definiton that has been constructed by people who are educated on the subject of literature. You are twisting that definition to your own word in order to get money back from me. The defenition is as steady as a house and i used that defenition to make clear to you how long is: lifetime. You are also telling me to take the word OP as a fact. So if OP says the OpenOSRS plugin is not gonna last for long, i have to take that? To give you an example; If someone says "oh they're gonna lose this game of football" , you instantly believe what they say? I ignored it because it doesn't matter how long OP tought it would last, because i didn't advertise a period that is certain (such as 1 week, 1 month or 1 year), i advertised a period of time that is uncertain and can be influenced by other factors. I advertised it right, but you are just annoyed that you didn't do enough research before buying the plugin that i sold you. This is your mistake and i am not taking the blame. Again, i am sorry for your loss.

Sincerely

Injure

 

[blazenrs]

well, let's see if the admins think your definition is sound as a house, and not argue about it any further, both OP and Kyle are developers of oprs, so they aren't just any people. In a game of football, it's two teams playing against eachother with an audience, in this case the information came from 2 of the people who had the ability to make what they were saying come true.
I will no longer be responding, unless asked to by an admin.

 

So to summarize your comment real quick. You are saying OP and Kyle are guys who know what they are talking about. Seems fair in a way, but still doesn't obligate me to believe what they're saying. People can tell fake information in order to benefit from. OP has a client himself and he wanted to spread the word that the plugin is gonna get removed very quickly, so he would have more people use HIS client (that has the same plugin, but is more expensive). I figured that this was a business move on his part, hence why i did not want to believe him on his word because i know OP had self interest by making that comment: Getting more people use HIS client. Also in your comment it says [1:30 PM] (Screenshot) which implies that you copied that exact sentence from someone on discord. "Then say you no longer will be responding". Someone told you not te be responding anymore so you are copying someone else his words (which i am assuming are OP his words, because getting me banned on Sythe, but we'll see what the mods think of that . To go deeper into this:
Someone else is probably telling you what to say and what to do , which means there is another reasoning for you blowing up this whole thing. There is a deeper interest in getting me banned other than the 100m that you lost. You will be denying this, but it will be doubtful, because you are portraiting is as you are saying these words, but you just exposed that is someone else who is telling you what to say. Your word does not mean a lot anymore. This means that antything that you will claim or have claimed is invalid, because these are not your words, but it is YOUR scamreport, so it should be your word against mine. Someone else his word against mine, if someone else has a problem with me, he can make his own Sythe scamreport.

 

Screenshot : this is a screenshot of the same message that has the [1:30 PM] and "Then say you will" edited out. This means this was not supposed to be posted that way and that you are hiding something: the fact that someone else is telling you what to say. You are not being truthful here and yet you claim i am a liar. Who should the mods believe? A liar making a scamreport on me doesn't seem to credible, but that is just my opinion.

 

[blazenrs]

I am not experienced with this. I was asking how I should word things, it changes nothing. Trying to invalidate my claims, is not going to work. Yes, I am actively in conversation with OP and Kyle...as they were a part of this.

 

You just admitted to not putting those claims out here by yourself. That's very humble of you ofcourse, but it does change something? If you are putting out a scamreport with help of two people who have a client that has the same plugin and they profit from, does make it fishy. Is it really about the 100m that you lost? I can understand you are pissed that you lost a 100m to this, but you are trying to get me banned for scamming you. Yet i did not scam you. The defenition of a scam = a dishonest scheme; a fraud. A dishonest scheme or fraud would have ment that i informed you with wrong information. Wrong information would have been if i said; "you can use it for atleast 3 months." In this case i would have made a claim that i could not make true. Yet i told you that it was lifetime use, which i already stated: lifetime = the duration of a thing's existence or usefulness. In this case the existence or usefulness was a short period of time, but as i said earlier, that's something that is out of my reach. I did not scam you or try to scam you. I sold you a product and i advertised that the you could use the product for it's existence or usefulness. The fact that it got removed 6 days after you bought it is not my fault. You are saying that i should have said that, but i didn't need to say that because i did not advertise a certain period (such a 1 week, 1 month or 1 year), i advertised an uncertain period that can be influenced by other factors that are out of my reach. I advertised purely that. You should have asked what lifetime ment if you didn't know what it means. You did not, so yet again, this is your mistake that you are trying to blame on me.

 

[blazenrs]

If you are making this about the definition of a lifetime product, let's just consider that, and that fact alone. A product advertised as lifetime is "usually" the highest tiered level, "normally" you see 1 month, 3 month, 1 year, lifetime, or something along those lines. I agree, I did not ask you what lifetime meant, as I was alright with it meaning, anything more than a year. However, I don't think ANYBODY is going to agree that 6 days, is a sufficient amount of time for a product to be listed as "Lifetime". If you want to twist that any way to justify your actions, go ahead...but let's let the admins decide what is the correct definition for this case. If they decide you are correct, no worries. I will be content. However, disregarding the drama, and sticking to the facts. to be clear. I purchased a product from you for 108m that you listed as lifetime. After 6 days that product was then rendered useless, by your inability to update it, not by OPRS, OP, or Kyle. (They stated if it is yours to sell, and it is secured, and safe, there are no issues with you selling it.) I asked you to update it, I was told no, I asked for a refund I was told no. Either update it, or give me my money back.

 

Guess we will have to wait what the mods have to say. I am indeed not able to update it and i can understand lifetime use of 6 days feels short. But as i stated, that is the risk you took. You expected it to be 1 month, 3 months or 1 year. That is your fault, because that is not what lifetime means. Lifetime has no certain time definition attached to it, so don't try to let it look like there is a certain time attached to is. In your frame of reference it might be a month, 3 months or 1 year. But that is YOUR frame of reference. If you would have said to me "with lifetime, can i expect it to be atleast 1 month?" and i would have said yes, i would have scammed you. For example, if someone says "i think a car lasts me 10 years" that is a frame of reference. Because of certain things he experienced or heard, he expects it to be atleast 10 years. Someone more down to earth might say "i expect a car to last me 2 years", then he has that frame of reference which makes him believe that 2 years usage of a car is enough to expect. It's all down to a subjective look at it. Yes i can imagine 6 days does not feel like lifetime, but just because it doesn't feel like lifetime for you, does not mean it is not lifetime. 6 days is a short amount of time, but lifetime could have been anywhere from a minute to a decade and you did get unlucky. Just because your frame of reference is "atleast 1 month" that does not mean that lifetime means "atleast 1 month". Your subjective look at what lifetime means does not make me a scammer. Maybe you should adjust your subjective look at things like this, because now you are trying to make me look bad whilst i did nothing wrong

 

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Here i have an example of someone who bought the plugin and can not use it anymore either (6 days, so just as long as in your case). He states here that he accepts the fact that he can not use it anymore, because he knew what he signed up for. He is not getting mad, he is not blaming me, he's looking in the mirror and realising that this was the risk of buying the plugin. Take this guy as an example, because he knows how to handle a loss. He is not making a big deal of it and so are all the other people who bought it. You are the only person at the moment who messaged me about it and is trying to get me banned on Sythe for a thing that is out of my control. You are the one case that tries to make this a super big deal and get me banned on Sythe, but as you can see, you are alone in this. Other people are accepting the fact that lifetime is an uncertain period of time, except for you. This makes your point a lot more invalid, because if you are THE ONLY PERSON that has a problem with it, the problem seems to only apply to you. If you have a problem with this, and all the other buyers don't, that says more about you than it does about me.

 

[Superfluous]

@blazenrs @Injure
This report is a mess. I skimmed everything after like the first four posts, but my understanding is that Injure sold a plugin for some client that then stopped accepting external plugins ("It is out of my reach that the developers of OpenOSRS decided to eliminate all external plugins.") It's not his fault that happened, so this is a non-issue. If RS closed down tomorrow you wouldn't report gold and account sellers for selling you things for a now-defunct game.

 

[Superfluous]

@Injure
Half a dozen people have pm'd me since I made that ruling saying it's like a 5 minute fix on your part to get this up and running for @blazenrs. I'm sure they can explain to you how to fix the plugin so it's usable again. Please sort this out.

open-osrs/example-external-plugin

 

ok so just to clarify for other mods, I pmed @Superfluous about this on discord.

Openosrs nolonger allows the plugintype of external because all plugins are now external plugins.
A pluigin type is just a description of the plugin basically & tells the client what section to put it under.
all this means that @Injure only has to change 1 line and recompile the project for him.

this is assuming that @Injure is the original coder, if he isnt imo selling a "lifetime" plugin that he cannot update or anything is borderline scamming as there are quite often small changes that need a fast recompile like this

 

[Oh so serious]

ok so just to clarify for other mods, I pmed @Superfluous about this on discord.

Openosrs nolonger allows the plugintype of external because all plugins are now external plugins.
A pluigin type is just a description of the plugin basically & tells the client what section to put it under.
all this means that @Injure only has to change 1 line and recompile the project for him.

that’s assuming he has the code to do so, which he does not as he had bought the jar and was reselling the jar only. You only need to check the client section on here to see 5 others selling the exact same thing