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    For this context, the second definition of insane is appropriate.

    The concept of faith exists. No argument there.


    Its not about whether or not I think god is real. It is about your inability to provide rational or objective evidence for your claims. You are trying to convince me god exists; That is your purpose in argument. To state that you can make no argument to convince me, because of my rationality, is to state that god does not exist.

    I argue with you for the sake of those who are following this thread, and, to a lesser extent, for your own sake. The sooner you realize the primacy of existence (reality, existence, is the master), the sooner you will stop kidding yourself about nonexistent entities.

    Certainly, I knew I had won from the outset. That is, in fact, what this thread was about to begin with. But knowing I and right and showing other people that I am right are different things. Thus the expenditure in effort in continuing this debate has been worthwhile. Even if you remain deluded, in a constant state of self contradiction, perhaps others will realize the supremacy of reason and apply reason to all things they do in life; perhaps an irrational reader will become rational.
     
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    Regarding that, is not everything we have discussed nonexistent? Because we are on the internet, and it is not reality or is it? If you agree to that wouldn't this then mean you where kidding yourself about nonexistent entities thus contridicting yourself.
     
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    Of course it is reality. Where do you think the internet exists? It exists in the form a global communications network, which exists in reality. The thoughts, concepts, ideas, and arguments, also exist in reality, in the form of neural connections in the minds of those who hold them.

    A nonexistent entity is an entity that does not exist in reality. The concept of the entity does exist, however, otherwise we'd not be able to discuss it. The concept is not the entity.
     
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    Hmm, then i herby declare myself an idiot. And will walk away, goodbye.


    /You win.
     
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    -faith (n.) Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See synonyms at belief; See synonyms at trust.-

    Using the words illogical or irrational will not work, because logical proof is irrelevent. And, I am not trying to convince you God exists, I am presenting my beliefs. I highly doubt I could ever convince you of anything with the way you are writing.
     
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    I love all this random talk of "rational validity" on Sythe. You either believe in Christ, and that he died for you because he loves you and wants to spend his life with you, or you can just try and prove God wrong by having "creative discussions". There's not much to it.
     
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    Its not random talk. Your being rational and your point you just made has contradicted yourself.
     
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    Belief that does not rest on logic proof or material evidence is an irrational belief. That is the definition.

    You believe in something that is not real, by your own admission, and yet you are still foolish enough to think that your opinion belongs in a thread dedicated to rational debate.
     
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    You accept the supremacy of reason in order to engage in discussion. Then your point is 'that reason is invalid'. This is self contradiction. Frankly I am tired of you irrational religious types trying to use reason to dismiss reason. Grow up.

    There are two things wrong with the world: Government, and you. In fact, democracy would probably work if it's citizens were all rational. So ultimately irrational people are what is wrong with the world. Consider that next time you lay awake thinking about the validity of your moral premises.
     
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    You seem to predict that he sleeps, and also that he lays around thinking about the 'validity of your moral premises.'


    Where did you get this information from?
     
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    For a rational man's own safety, he has to reject notions that he cannot comprehend, so as to save his brain; he has no choice but to question them otherwise. A man with faith accepts all notions that he cannot comprehend and leaves them be.
     
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    Who stays up at night and thinks of rational validity or irrational citizens o_O? I'd much prefer to go out with friends than tell people why my opinions are perfect. We all have our opinions and beliefs. And why would omnipotence be an impossible attribute? How can we proof something much greater than anything we can even think of? It's like trying to teach an ant to speak English.
     
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    If God wasn't real how was the first matter and energy created? Since, in science, they state that matter cannot be created or destroyed.
     
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    Ah, I see. So, if I present an argument to you and I have proof which is "valid" in our discussion, then I am right. I see .. where you have made your mistake. "Are correct by the objective measure of absolute truth". What is the "objective measure"? In using the concept of absolute truth, you would state that you honestly knew the "REAL" truth and that what you were saying was right, not by any human knowledge standards, but by the ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

    To try and make a measure that would identify absolute truth, and then succeeding(Which is basically what you're doing..Otherwise their would be no answer), you are presenting, not purposely, but nontheless, that you are perhaps .. Some kind of deity. Having absolute knowledge is a contradiction of knowing something.

    Your answer is not technically, but logically, wrong. Sorry, but I have valid rational argument. I also, though not required, I suppose, have arguable proof as to why I am right. Am I right?

    If I am not right, then your answer is wrong.

    At least, I think! :D
     
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    The truth is an objective measure. The truth value of a statement is how well it conforms to reality.

    I'm not presenting myself as 'some kind of deity'. I am inviting rational debate.

    Your argument is not valid. The measure of absolute truth is reality. You have already accepted this premise in attempting to argue with me. If you did not then there'd be no point in presenting arguments. True to me could be false to you. -- The only reason to debate in the first place is to determine, and ultimately agree on, the truth.

    Your argument is inconsistent and largely invalid.

    First, as I pointed out above, you have assumed the absolute truth exists, and that we can rationally determine it through debate, by initiating debate with me.

    Second, your argument is self contradictory. You are presenting "truth" which invalidates all "truth".
     
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    Of course I am. It never crossed my mind that absolute truth could be determined to something like debate .. However, how could absolute truth not exist, if we've been debating about that same thing? Like you said, my true may be your false. Coming into existence would make it real, to me. You may not be looking at it from a logical perspective .. Would is why what seems "valid" to me does not to you. Either that, or there's just another person in the world who wouldn't look at the other side of the story for the perspective, and be so quick as to make a claim or contradiction about how their wrong.

    I don't know which are you, but yah. :D

    How?..
     
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    You seem to predict that he sleeps, and also that he lays around thinking about the 'validity of your moral premises.'


    Where did you get this information from?
     
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    I think he is trying to convey that since he does it, everone else does as well. At least, this would allign with the rest of his arguments.
     
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    Full of irrational and nonsensical points aren't you? Would you like to boil down your counterarguments and present them in a manner fit for human consumption? Thanks.
     
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    These points you two contribute become more and more absurd with each passing day.

    1. He sleeps and has a conscience, because he is human and alive, and because he cares enough about whatever he believes to want to post some pathetic counterargument here.
     
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