You claim to have read "books". please list these VERY interested. and just because something is written about a time period does not mean anything, it might be written about the 1800's, but it includes testaments from people today not from the 1800's..
Well for starters, "The Illuminatus! Trilogy". Oh wait, that's a satire based around the Illuminati. "Behold, A Pale Horse", "The Two Babylons", "Occult Theocracy", and "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail".
All of which seem to tie together, because a lot of the Illuminati based stories fall in line with the movies "The Da Vinci Code" (also a book) and "National Treasure".
Why do these books lack credibility due to age? Well for about the same reason that a written statement from the Catholic church that states that the sun orbits the Earth. It can be proven wrong, and is not factually sound. If the age of the document shows historical context of lacking factual evidence that could be acquired in the modern day, then surely it could be false.
A book about the Illuminati in the 1798 could potentially be about the Free Masons, a group that DID exist. Our leaders were a part of it. However, they did not wreak mass havoc on the country in the name of population control. As I stated in my last few posts, our country was going downhill the second the Federal Reserve and central banking was imposed. I would believe JFK was assassinated due to his attempt to dissolve the Federal Reserve more than the belief that the Illuminati wanted him dead due to him being a prominent figure.
And this is far from religion, for their are testimonies from people who were IN THE ORDER. (Now a days) Their is no books about any testimonies from god. (besides the bible ofc).
There are testimonies from people who have been "touched by god", "spoken to god", "abducted by aliens". All of whom are not insane. There are books about testimonies from god, there are books about facts of why god exists. I'll use your words here: "Please, if you have not read the book, do not assume what is in it."
And as far as "dum fuck logic" if your going to respond to my post, at least read the post i was responding to. For you to sit here today and call my beliefs on the Illuminati "dum fuck logic" is ignorant. I will stand by this claim. I do not care what you personally think, fact is fact. If your going to sit here and say all 400 people that were credited in that book are not credible, then you are just plain being biased.
Of the both of us right now, you are more a bigot than I. How can you stand there saying "fact is fact", when no "facts" have taken place. You make no references to your books, other than to state that we read them. That's not an argument. Even if we read them, I doubt that we're going to be changed by them. A 220
And as far as the death penalty/Government creating aids, you are a hypocrite. How can you site one doctor or author about a subject like that (NO PROOF, besides "studies") but then when it comes to another subject you are willing to cite nothing. You are acting like a complete hypocrite. And to prove this you even type "can be potentially proven". Please tell me 1 conspiracy that cannot "be potentially proven". don't tell me whether you believe in it, tell me how it can not be "potentially proven". Hypocrisy at it's best.
Because of one simple thing:
THESE THINGS CAN BE TESTED. If you wanted, >>I<< could go out into my community and read through records and find out whether the crime rate is higher or lower in communities which allow the death penalty. >>I<< could figure out whether these things exist and report them as a study. I don't need to cite my argument, because I never stated whether I was for or against the death penalty.
Let's see. The belief that HAARP is the one causing earthquakes/hurricanes could not be proven, due to the understanding of hundreds of thousands of years that natural elements cause natural disasters. It could be proven if we were able to find out if control over natures is possible. It could be proven if there were studies to show that machines could control these disasters. But there has been no proof and no evidence of this other than speculation.
The conspiracy that Michael Jackson was assassinated (something that seems to be really big for you guys) can be proven if the man who was his doctor had outside ties. We're still not sure if his personal doctor was the cause of death. Again, this could not really be tested because he was dead. Unless there was an investigation into the life of that doctor and everyone else around Michael Jackson before his death. But as far as anybody else is concerned, the case is closed.
And as far as "credible", your statement would be true, if the book was him saying "I believe in the Illuminati". But its not, its actual testaments from Old/Current Illuminati members, so that throws out the whole god argument.
Again, you really don't understand that there are people with arguments of all sorts of things. Belief that the heads of the government are actually reptiles (with proof), the belief that the U.S. government leaders sacrifice SOMETHING (possibly children) at Bohemian Grove according to the lunar cycle (with video proof), the belief that every event in the world is caused by the Illuminati (with proof), the belief that God is real and talks to people/performs miracles (with proof).
So you know what, I guess I can't dismiss your argument, because Reptile Humans, Bohemian Grove, the Illuminati, and God all exist due to statements from credible people who have seen/found the evidence of these things.
Based on your logic explain how we came to the conclusion that dinosaurs roamed the earth? You could make an argument that someone wanted to get famous and just "made up" bones. (Not saying they did just using your logic).
This does not mean that dinosaurs ever existed, we have no PROOF that dinosaurs existed, we take the word of many scientists who have claimed to find similar things in independent studies. (Ask yourself if 1 scientist in the history of mankind would have found dinosaur bones, would he be credible?)
Well that's the great thing, we're not allowed in to test and carbon date the dinosaur bones, we just accept that they are real.
So I give you this, that we could not prove it for ourselves. That is why there is a big debate by the theists who believe the earth is not millions of years old, which also goes into the theory of evolution.
The only problem with what you're saying is that they would have had to planted these bones hundreds of years ago in order to freak us out today. There are places where fossils are still turning up. Fossilization is a real thing and can be shown/proven.
Another thing you fail to mention is that the people you are trying to "discredit" using my logic are scientists. We can be scientists. If we go to school and get degrees, we can become scientists and study these things. The people in the "Illuminati" are either chosen to be, or are prominent government officials. Something that takes a lifetime to achieve. We cannot go up the ranks and prove it because none of us can suddenly become the leaders.
I just wanted to counter with this. This is not necessarily "New World Order" or "Illuminati", but rather, devil/pagan worship proof. Alex Jones asking a really high ranked official about Bohemian Grove.
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What do you deduce from this?
Um so how do you know atoms exist? Because credible members of the scientific community TELL YOU they do. I doubt you've gone through the process to prove an atom exists. You take their word for it.
Actually not really, because if I was able to access a microscope with the capability of seeing an atom, I would be able to see that they exist. Not just that someone tells me that it exists, but there is physical evidence that I can look at it, observe it, state that it is there.
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