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Illegal immigrants

So it's ok for them to break the law because oh yea they are paying taxes I forgot about that. That makes it all better. Let's just let anyone who wants to pay taxes do whatever they want without having to succumb to the law. Good point... -.-
 
p0oned ***1 said:
So it's ok for them to break the law because oh yea they are paying taxes I forgot about that. That makes it all better. Let's just let anyone who wants to pay taxes do whatever they want without having to succumb to the law. Good point... -.-
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Once again, one of the main arguments is that they don't pay taxes. Which as I stated is just not true.

Do you even know how hard it is to get in here legally. In fact do you know its not only hard but takes long just to get a green card.

Sure you talk all mighty about the law cause you haven't been in there position. When you watch your family starve and suffer because you can't provide for them, then yes I guess it is ok to break the law.
 
p0oned ***1 said:
I have no problem with them coming over here at all. I have a problem with them coming illegally. If everyone else is held by standards shouldn't they be too?
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Why? Its not your land.
 
Flameset said:
Once again, one of the main arguments is that they don't pay taxes. Which as I stated is just not true.

Do you even know how hard it is to get in here legally. In fact do you know its not only hard but takes long just to get a green card.

Sure you talk all mighty about the law cause you haven't been in there position. When you watch your family starve and suffer because you can't provide for them, then yes I guess it is ok to break the law.
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So if the people are starving it is ok to steal. If the person is suppressed it is ok to kill the suppressor. If the person can't have a baby it is ok to kidnap. If the person cannot support a family because of there situation it is ok to illegally move to the U.S. unlike everyone else that came before you. Makes a lot of sense...

They have laws for a reason. You can't say every illegal immigrant is starving or has to support there starving family. That is just stereotyping illegal immigrants. Some of them come here to illegally bring in appliances, and supplies. Some come over to sell and ship drugs. Some come over to support terrorist operations. Yes, some people come here and work hard, (not many pay taxes at all) and do so to feed there underprivileged family. But you can not stereotype all of them like that.
 
p0oned ***1 said:
So if the people are starving it is ok to steal. If the person is suppressed it is ok to kill the suppressor. If the person can't have a baby it is ok to kidnap. If the person cannot support a family because of there situation it is ok to illegally move to the U.S. unlike everyone else that came before you. Makes a lot of sense...
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This whole country is founded upon immigration. Illegal or not, you could dispute. The indians were here first, so you have no say so.

Why do you compare immigration to murder, also?
 
TJ said:
This whole country is founded upon immigration. Illegal or not, you could dispute. The indians were here first, so you have no say so.

Why do you compare immigration to murder, also?
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I agree with your first statement, but the thing is there was no law that you had to get a green card to work here. There was no government here to make that decision.

I compare it to murder because it isn't just starving people coming over like I stated. I don't know if you know anything about southern Florida, but since the illegal immigrant rate has risen the drug sales and crime rate has risen down there also. That is just an example of how all illegal immigrants are coming here and working hard to make money to feed there family. Some come here to make money for there family but at what cost? The cost of more crime and drug sale in our country?

I also don't know if you have noticed but hard working Indian (from India) and Chinese men come here legally and help the community by being doctors or scientist or other things like that.

If there was no reason for the law it wouldn't be there.

I have no problem with people who want to come here and work hard to support there family, but not the crime and drugs that come along with others that don't pay taxes, don't work hard, and only make our country worse.
 
p0oned ***1 said:
I agree with your first statement, but the thing is there was no law that you had to get a green card to work here. There was no government here to make that decision.
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Government is just but a joke, and should have no say over how people live their lives. If i want to live somewhere, ill do it no matter what. If you want it bad enough, your going to get it.

I compare it to murder because it isn't just starving people coming over like I stated. I don't know if you know anything about southern Florida, but since the illegal immigrant rate has risen the drug sales and crime rate has risen down there also. That is just an example of how all illegal immigrants are coming here and working hard to make money to feed there family. Some come here to make money for there family but at what cost? The cost of more crime and drug sale in our country?
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Whats so bad about drugs? People do what they want, and if they want to do drugs then that is up to them. Please show me legit graphs where it has said information, along with a site that has it.


If there was no reason for the law it wouldn't be there.
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There are/always will be shit laws, like how California can limit the peoples right to wed.

I have no problem with people who want to come here and work hard to support there family, but not the crime and drugs that come along with others that don't pay taxes, don't work hard, and only make our country worse.
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That has been here since the shit was discovered. Just because we have a "problem" with immigration doesn't mean you should just notice the bad of our country.

You can't make this country worse, its already in the shitter and soon to fall.
 
I don't think I am going to get anywhere arguing with you because you have completely different standards and beliefs then I do. You seem to be more of an atheistic communist then anything. Please don't take that as an insult it is just the way I infer you are from the information I have been given in your responses. I'm glad we had this discussion and it was nice talking to you, but I really don't think this will get anywhere.

Hope you have a good day. =)
 
p0oned ***1 said:
I don't think I am going to get anywhere arguing with you because you have completely different standards and beliefs then I do. You seem to be more of an atheistic communist then anything. Please don't take that as an insult it is just the way I infer you are from the information I have been given in your responses. I'm glad we had this discussion and it was nice talking to you, but I really don't think this will get anywhere.

Hope you have a good day. =)
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I am atheist, correct.

I am however not a communist.

The whole point of a debate is against someone who has different beliefs than you. The whole world has different beliefs that you, so i would advise you start to get use to that. You offer statistics, that you despite me asking for proof, you deny. Which makes me believe that you are pulling stuff out of the cloud above you, in order to try to be the top victor.
 
p0oned ***1 said:
Ok I will try and find it for you. We did a whole month discussion on this in my English class last year. I can find the site that I had last year for you just give me some time.

here is one site that talks about the how from 2005-2007 drug trafficing has gone up a large portion. It also talks about it coming from mexico and jamaica.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs27/27512/product.htm

http://www.ncjrs.gov/ondcppubs/publications/enforce/hidta2001/sfla-fs.html
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Drugs dont have a relevant point the conversation at all its about immigration, drugs come from all over but that doesnt mean that just because drug trafficking has increased does directly correlate with illegal immigration.
Plus if you lived in a third world country and wanted to get away what would you do?
 
Jason_x said:
Plus if you lived in a third world country and wanted to get away what would you do?
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Adapt. Humans are pretty damn good at it, if you haven't noticed.
 
Well maybe the adaptation is to move away.
Maybe escaping is the only option to them.
 
Ok well you have a point there but my case in point remains the same.
Illegal immigrants to a point should be allowed citizen ship but there gets to be a point when so many whol will work for so less get to be a problem so maybe isneatd , off topic here for a moment instead of a stupid war for oil we invest in something like maybe making mexico better.
 
Jason_x said:
Ok well you have a point there but my case in point remains the same.
Illegal immigrants to a point should be allowed citizen ship but there gets to be a point when so many whol will work for so less get to be a problem so maybe isneatd , off topic here for a moment instead of a stupid war for oil we invest in something like maybe making mexico better.
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The war we are in right now is pretty damn important at the moment. We are already in it, so pulling out now is a potentially fatal mistake.

Anyways, if the imigrants are ILLEGAL, they should not be granted citizenship. When somebody commits an ILLEGAL crime, they get put in jail and stripped of most of their rights until released, correct? Well, sending illegal immigrants back is like jail, only they would have never had the rights to begin with.
 
Well then you see the downfall of man unable to forgive people for simple things like that Yeah ok its Illegal, but most of the people who actually commit illegal acts get away with it, for the longest time at least. Like pot smokers get away with that most of the time but the sentence is light.
Ok I agree on the war but we didnt have to fucking go ther ein the first place because we were scared who Saddam's successor would be.
 
Christmas Crackers said:
I agree, but it's just not that simple anymore, there are laws and regulations because land isn't free anymore. People own land, and they decide who is allowed on it and who isn't.

We'll have to wait and see what Obama will try to do about illegal immigration.
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Obama Has ALready said if your here illegally go back to where u came from and apply for a visa.
 
U Got Fried said:
Obama Has ALready said if your here illegally go back to where u came from and apply for a visa.
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Are you sure he said that? I am not sure about this because it was a political commercial and I don't trust them, but it said that he supported illegal immigrants that are already here. If you can show me some proof of where he said that U got fried I would be happy to read it.
 
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