How to support and jungle?

[Austintheman]

These are the only two roles I am absolute shit on. I've tried them both and each time i did i got flamed lol, i'm just so bad at.

Does anyone have any tips and/or guides for either role? any help is appreciated, thanks.

 

[Panicjsp]

Always double check stickies!
http://www.sythe.org/league-legends/1638634-league-legends-resource-list.html

General gameplay guides:

LoLPro - (http://www.lolpro.com/guides) - select "Gameplay" from "General filters"

Solomid - (http://www.solomid.net/***********?champ=generic)

Spellsy's S3 complete support guide - (https://docs.google.com/presentatio...loop=false&delayms=0#slide=id.g77315ae7_8_75)

 

[LoLSmurfin]

If you're on now, an NA player, and want to get in a game or two, I'm down to give you some tips

 

[Shiningkun]

Jungle is all about controling your jungle and your enemy jungle path.
Also to be a good jungler you need to keep alot your eye on the minimap/enemy wards on bag. That will help you alot to know when to gank / counter gank
i can answer you any questions about jungling since im main jungler on euw

 

[Austintheman]

If you're on now, an NA player, and want to get in a game or two, I'm down to give you some tips

Sure, but I don't have the slightest clue what to do so It'd essentially be a 4v5 lol

Jungle is all about controling your jungle and your enemy jungle path.
Also to be a good jungler you need to keep alot your eye on the minimap/enemy wards on bag. That will help you alot to know when to gank / counter gank
i can answer you any questions about jungling since im main jungler on euw

See, the main problem I have with jungling is when do i gank? Is it just when i feel like it or what? Where do I ward? Just my blue/red? And what does it mean to countergank?


Appreciate the help guys. Will also check the sticky out later.

 

[LoLSmurfin]

Sure, but I don't have the slightest clue what to do so It'd essentially be a 4v5 lol

I'd be happy to duo bot lane or something Feel free to add me on Skype if you want

 

[Austintheman]

I don't use skype but i'll add you in game in a few. Thanks again

Edit: oops you never posted your name, well add mine :

 

[Mafiaclan]

Watching streams really helps. You should tune in to these particular streamers for their respective roles. Don't watch it live, even if they are online. Go to their Past Broadcasts and watch there so you can skip the down time.

Mylixia
http://www.twitch.tv/mylixia

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If you're below gold, choose an aggressive support with lots of cc that you can carry with. Leona and Thresh are strong. As a support, focus on providing vision to your team. Keep your opponent's side lane bush warded at all times. During laning phase, keep dragon warded, but don't run off to ward it at inconvenient times e.g when you are pushed to your tower. Try to keep an eye on where their jungler might be. If the enemy jungler's just ganked top, he isn't magically going to teleport bottom (I mean, unless he took teleport for some reason), so don't be afraid to make your move.

 

[KerokeroCola]

These both are my favorite roles, and for the most part they kind of have the same job.

Your major role is utility, not damage. You either set up plays with initiations/baits/etc., or you stay with your ADC to peel him or her. That's why most good supports and junglers have a lot of CC.


They are both in charge of warding for the team. Look up warding guides, but usually you always need the choke point entries into the river warded and you need dragon and baron pink warded. Don't think support is the only person who should ward. Junglers should be warding theirs (or the enemy buffs), choke points, and usually Baron since supports can't usually make it up that far in the map.


Supports' jobs are also to provide lane pressure while their carry gets fed. This is a complicated dynamic, but it can be summed up simply enough by saying you need to poke the enemy champions. This is intended not really to be aggressive and always engage, but rather to provide some pressure so that the enemies don't always have the free chance to farm. It also keeps their HP low for the good opportunities you do have to engage a trade-off in lane.

Junglers need to also control the map. You need to really understand the buff timer and keep an eye on every single lane. You should be farming to keep your level and gold up with the rest of the team, but you should usually also be ganking and/or counter jungling them to put their team behind. Know the spawn timers to keep the buffs controlled, and usually start giving buffs around the 2nd or 3rd spawns of those buffs. Also, keep an eye on the enemy jungler, and decide based on his presence what you should do. If he is bottom but your ADC can handle the pressure, use the opportunity to take his top camps or to pressure top lane and hopefully get a kill. There is a LOT to say in just one post, so if you want, feel free to add me and I can play a few matches with you. Glum Reaper, and NA, are my contact info

 

[RyanJ]

Sure, but I don't have the slightest clue what to do so It'd essentially be a 4v5 lol


See, the main problem I have with jungling is when do i gank? Is it just when i feel like it or what? Where do I ward? Just my blue/red? And what does it mean to countergank?


Appreciate the help guys. Will also check the sticky out later.

Gank when a lane is getting pushed. Mix up your gank routes. Don't only gank from the river. If you see your team is getting forced out of lane, go help them. Counter ganking is knowing where the jungler is going to be, and countering his gank. However, know the strength and weakness of your champion and theirs. For example if you ward your enemy red, and he takes red and runs towards golems instead of wraiths, chances are he is about to gank top. It becomes a mind game

 

[Shiningkun]

yeah jungling is just a mind game between you and enemy jungler.
also theres always ways to gank a lane (not taking into consideration enemy wards):
-If your enemy is pushing gank from river;
-If your team is pushing, sneak trough lane into bushes and wait for them to push/facecheck the bush;
-you can always dive if they're low, just be carefull with tower shots.

Also controlling early drake is very important. When i reach lvl 6, i usually do a all in gank at bot, if its sucessfull, i will quickly call botlane to do drake.
Its all about thinking "how can i help my team on jungle", the more you do jungle role, the more you will feel good with it trust me ^_^
Always save your smite to end a objective. dont smite for example baron at 2k health, wait for it to go lower than your smite dmg and smite it to secure it from enemy jungler steal.

 

[RyanJ]

Also, always remember to have an objective based mindset, not a kill based mindset. Your job is to help control the map, provide support to lanes, and most importantly have objective control. Don't chase kills through the jungle when you can turn and take the dragon or baron.

 

[Heeatz]

If you're below gold, choose an aggressive support with lots of cc that you can carry with. Leona and Thresh are strong. As a support, focus on providing vision to your team. Keep your opponent's side lane bush warded at all times. During laning phase, keep dragon warded, but don't run off to ward it at inconvenient times e.g when you are pushed to your tower. Try to keep an eye on where their jungler might be. If the enemy jungler's just ganked top, he isn't magically going to teleport bottom (I mean, unless he took teleport for some reason), so don't be afraid to make your move.

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Sona is also one of the strongest, yet easiest yet weakest champs you can play

She can get absolutely destroyed at at level 1-2 all in, so watch out for that. But her Crescendo's are so game changing. She is my go-to support.

 

[Austintheman]

Wow appreciate the help guys. Will definitely check out that stream and try Thresh & sona support. Will probably try Yi as jung since he's so easy to use.

 

[Shiningkun]

Wow appreciate the help guys. Will definitely check out that stream and try Thresh & sona support. Will probably try Yi as jung since he's so easy to use.

yi is very easy to jungle, and he snowballs very hard but the problem with yi is that he has no CC when ganking, depending on CC from the laner. Besides that hes excellent at splitpushing lanes.

 

[KerokeroCola]

Yi jungle is misleading because he does not have any way to actually fill the "jungler" role. The point of a Yi in jungle is to simply have someone get more farm for the team and then have some damage to contribute to split pushing or baron/dragon. The ganks only work against new people because of the lack of CC, and the new Master Yi is almost worthless in a teamfight because he can't initiate and he can really only play cleanup.

I'd recommend Cho Gath as a good starting jungler. He has good, reliable clears and a lot of CC to offer on ganks. His passive HP gain means you'll have a hard time getting killed, and your CC/damage soaking means your team will love you during a teamfight. If you can knock up/silence their carries, plus 500 true damage from your ult... the fight is instawon.

Udyr is decent because he just has a ridiculously strong jungle presence. His ganking mechanics takes some skill, but if you do master his gankinig the level 2 ganks are absurd with your E stun and the burst from your Q passive proc. He also very reliably fills the role of a bruiser in a teamfight, plus the ability to just whack everyone and stun them all successively is very fun.

Xin is a third really good starting jungler. He heals naturally from his W (so you can avoid health problems), but he also has really strong ganks with his E dash/Q HUGE DAMAGE and knockup. He's another fun person to start with and learn the role. Plus, his teamfight utility is underrated, since a well-timed ult can separate one person from their entire team and result in high amounts of face smashing from your carries.

 

[Austintheman]

yi is very easy to jungle, and he snowballs very hard but the problem with yi is that he has no CC when ganking, depending on CC from the laner. Besides that hes excellent at splitpushing lanes.

Yi jungle is misleading because he does not have any way to actually fill the "jungler" role. The point of a Yi in jungle is to simply have someone get more farm for the team and then have some damage to contribute to split pushing or baron/dragon. The ganks only work against new people because of the lack of CC, and the new Master Yi is almost worthless in a teamfight because he can't initiate and he can really only play cleanup.

I'd recommend Cho Gath as a good starting jungler. He has good, reliable clears and a lot of CC to offer on ganks. His passive HP gain means you'll have a hard time getting killed, and your CC/damage soaking means your team will love you during a teamfight. If you can knock up/silence their carries, plus 500 true damage from your ult... the fight is instawon.

Udyr is decent because he just has a ridiculously strong jungle presence. His ganking mechanics takes some skill, but if you do master his gankinig the level 2 ganks are absurd with your E stun and the burst from your Q passive proc. He also very reliably fills the role of a bruiser in a teamfight, plus the ability to just whack everyone and stun them all successively is very fun.

Xin is a third really good starting jungler. He heals naturally from his W (so you can avoid health problems), but he also has really strong ganks with his E dash/Q HUGE DAMAGE and knockup. He's another fun person to start with and learn the role. Plus, his teamfight utility is underrated, since a well-timed ult can separate one person from their entire team and result in high amounts of face smashing from your carries.

Makes sense. I bought Cho for now, will use him when I jungle and see if i like him. If i don't i'll get udyr next and then xin. I'd use nasus to jungle with (hes my fav champ) but he's so weak until late game so i wouldn't be able to gank.

I also have Lee sin, is he good to jungle with? Appreciate the help guys btw

 

[Shiningkun]

About jungle :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BDUQHdVT_c

i find these videos very good, theres one for each role. Turn on subtitles.

Also for starting junglers WW is very easy to play, but not competitively picked.

 

[KerokeroCola]

Nasus jungle is done mostly so that people can secure such a gamechanging champion. He can solo dragon at level 6 (assuming you don't get ganked while fighting it) and his lategame is absurd, even if he is jungling and has less Q farm than normal. However, he is better off top so he can more safely farm and you can have a stronger presence in the jungle.

Lee Sin jungle is good, but it's good to learn the meta of jungling before you play him. He's very strong at low level solo queues, but at the same time his skill cap is a bit higher because he has no targetable abilities. You gotta learn how and when to gank, and once you get the hang of his limits (how many tower hits can I take?) you'll get FB basically every game.

That being said, Xin is similar in style as Lee but easier to get the hang of. Xin's abilities are all targetable, and his dash is just as far as Lee's. Xin doesn't put out as much damage over an entire burst, but he's a bit easier to play.