Homosexual rights

[WhereIsTheGod]

Well, most Christians interpret the old testament very loosely, or reject them.

You can't be both a jew and a christian.
(btw, LOL @ Jews for Jesus.)

 

[PurpleDragon O Doom]

Well, I seem to be caught in a tangle of indifference, here ..

I won't be the one protesting out in the street about how Gays should be treated as equals ..

But I also won't be the one making websites and writing in newspapers about how gay rights are wrong and unjust.

The way someones mind functions, which just may be different from yours or mine, should not affect how they're treated in society. Gays should be able to get married.

I'm not saying I support it .. Me saying that gays should have that option doesn't mean I'll be the one wedding them. It's their life and their decisions.

It's not a sickness or an illness someone is born with. It's the decision that they make later on in their life .. You may not see anything wrong with it but obviously they don't think that opposite genders should be together. Birds of a feather flock together .. A lot.

If someone wants to think that, let them do so! I kind of have a hint of how religion got into the post .. does it's completely irrelevant to the topic. If you're of a certain religion, does that mean you have to agree with EVERYTHING in that religion?

Gay rights are as omnipresent and hard to get rid of as anything. It'll be there as long as there's always that one "gay" person fighting for their rights. Live life .. don't fight back because in the end, you just may lose.

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[Steamy Pie]

Is it right for a man to marry a woman so she can get a green card and live in america then? They dont love each other. They dont even have anything special.

 

[Dusk412]

Is it right for a man to marry a woman so she can get a green card and live in america then? They dont love each other. They dont even have anything special.

Is this a response to some1. I'm sorry I just do not see the relevance.

 

[jaamal]

Is this a response to some1. I'm sorry I just do not see the relevance.

It doesn't have direct relevance, but many people use arguements saying, same sex couples will tarnish the values of marriages. He might have just been stating that marriage is used for more then just an expression of love, and regular couples lower the standard of reasons to marry.

 

[Dusk412]

It doesn't have direct relevance, but many people use arguements saying, same sex couples will tarnish the values of marriages. He might have just been stating that marriage is used for more then just an expression of love, and regular couples lower the standard of reasons to marry.

Ah thank you I see his point now and it is a very good one. What makes all of you people think that marriage is truly that special bond between a man and woman when they love each other. I am pretty sure that marriage has already been tarnished. People today now marry for money, or realize that they don't love the person they married, or for any other number of ulterior motives. Thnx jamaal.

 

[mage3158]

Sexuality is decided at birth, it can't be helped, it's normal.
/thread
Also sorry if I missed something, I just don't feel like reading 15 pages of homophobic bullshit.

 

[Krypton6]

Homosexuality is not decided at birth. What your saying is only a theory and funny enough that theory was made up by a gay man.

 

[Dusk412]

Homosexuality is not decided at birth. What your saying is only a theory and funny enough that theory was made up by a gay man.

- You are only partially correct.
- You are right because nobody can prove if homosexuality is decided at birth.
- You are wrong because nobody can prove that its a choice you make later in life either and also no one knows who came up with the theory.

 

[FourFeetOver]

Mm, yeah. Actually, I don't think every homosexual person was homosexual from birth. They could have been asexual until their teens or something.
Just a short example 'cause it's 1 in the morning here and I don't feel like explaining further.
Oh and one more thing, and I don't mean to sound like I'm being a suck up or anything but... Shredderbeam, you might just be the most intelligent person I have ever met.
Of course there's no way of telling for sure because it's something that can't be quantified (at least not effectively).

Btw - I support Gay Rights, they're human and it's not their choice so live and let live. Not many people would choose to be gay, I assure you.

 

[Krypton6]

- You are right because nobody can prove if homosexuality is decided at birth.

If it is decided at birth then it is a disease.

- You are wrong because nobody can prove that its a choice you make later in life either and also no one knows who came up with the theory.

If it isnt a disease (decided at birth (dab) ) then you have to look for what is left of options, and left is the society and enviroment.

I believe in god and that he does not accept homosexuals, I also believe that god would not create people that he does not accept. That proves for me that it is not god who created homosexuality (dab), but instead the society that we live in.

People refuse to admit that homosexuality is a disease. If it is a disease there would be a medical treatment and cure for it, but such thing does not exist = homosexuality is not decided at birth.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Krypton6 is right. I may have conceded that point to him earlier, but I'll state it again: Homosexuality is not decided at birth, it's partially influenced by genetics, and largely decided by environmental/societal factors. Whether you call it a disease or not, I don't really think it matters.

 

[Dusk412]

If it is decided at birth then it is a disease.

Well is being born straight a disease? Is being born liking the color blue a disease? Is being born with blond hair opposed to brown hair a disease?

If it isnt a disease (decided at birth (dab) ) then you have to look for what is left of options, and left is the society and enviroment.

I believe in god and that he does not accept homosexuals, I also believe that god would not create people that he does not accept. That proves for me that it is not god who created homosexuality (dab), but instead the society that we live in.

People refuse to admit that homosexuality is a disease. If it is a disease there would be a medical treatment and cure for it, but such thing does not exist = homosexuality is not decided at birth.

- If it was a disease, which i don't believe, that wouldn't mean there is a cure or treatment for it. There are many diseases today that there is no treatment for we just hope. Plus, as you said, if people don't believe its a disease then they wouldn't look for a cure, even if it was a disease.
- Your beliefs that god does not accept homosexuals and therefore they were not created at birth as such would be a good argument except that your religion is an opinion or faith, whichever you prefer. I am not disputing your right to believe what your religion says rather that the beliefs of your religion are not considered fact but most people and that cannot be treated by such except by those within that religion, making that point rather worthless.

 

[Dusk412]

Krypton6 is right. I may have conceded that point to him earlier, but I'll state it again: Homosexuality is not decided at birth, it's partially influenced by genetics, and largely decided by environmental/societal factors. Whether you call it a disease or not, I don't really think it matters.

Sorry but how can you know what factors influence sexual orientation I have not seen any studies or evidence. Also as you stated, they are partially influenced by genetics. There is actually growing evidence of this, I can find you guys some if you wish. If someone is even partially influenced by genetics then that means that their sexual orientation is at least partially decided at birth, is it not?

*Sorry if you count this as a double post but I was making 2 different responses so...

 

[YourNameHere]

I dont support them but i could care less as long as they dont try being gay with me. (this means girls too, im not just a perv). I don't agree with what you say about gay parents raising gay children and straight parents raising straight children though. Because either way, a loving parent is a loving parent and they care for their children. So it's not like straight parents are gonna force their children to be straight and the same for gay parents.

 

[Krypton6]

Well is being born straight a disease? Is being born liking the color blue a disease? Is being born with blond hair opposed to brown hair a disease?

Being born; straight is not unnatural or against nature in anyway, being born liking blue color is not against nature, being born with blond hair is not unnautral and neither is being born with brown hair.

But homosexuality is against nature, and we can debate this, for god knows how long and at the bottom line the conclusion will be unnautral.
And what is unnatural is against nature, and what is against nature is either a disease or mutation. Homosexuality denies the basic natural laws such as survival of the specie.

- If it was a disease, which i don't believe, that wouldn't mean there is a cure or treatment for it. There are many diseases today that there is no treatment for we just hope. Plus, as you said, if people don't believe its a disease then they wouldn't look for a cure, even if it was a disease.

There are many diseases that there is no treatment for today, but every single one of those official diseases are being studied deeper and deeper in the search and hunt for a potential cure. But no one is medically looking for a cure for homosexuality, which concludes that it is not recognized as an official disease. A disease is something that the person did not chose, homosexuality is something the person has chosen his way to. Conclusion: its no disease.

- Your beliefs that god does not accept homosexuals and therefore they were not created at birth as such would be a good argument except that your religion is an opinion or faith, whichever you prefer. I am not disputing your right to believe what your religion says rather that the beliefs of your religion are not considered fact but most people and that cannot be treated by such except by those within that religion, making that point rather worthless.

It may be pointless for you, but it is a half respond to those who claim that god does not exist due to the existence of homosexuality.´

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If someone is even partially influenced by genetics then that means that their sexual orientation is at least partially decided at birth, is it not?

That 'partially' is minimal, and at the bottom line it is the enviroment that pulls the trigger.
That small and minimal difference in the genetics, many people are fully and normally living with. That small genetical difference is natural, it is what a few people turn it into that is unnatural. Those with the 'normal genetics' could might aswell be the unnaturals.

You make a good point though

 

[Dusk412]

It may be pointless for you, but it is a half respond to those who claim that god does not exist due to the existence of homosexuality.

- Here at least we can agree. The argument that god doesn't exist based off of homosexuality is stupid and makes little sense.
-All I am saying is that you shouldn't bring up religion in debate except to state the reasons why you believe in a fact, which you did. And that religion cannot really be used as an argument for your opinion because it is your religion and not anyone elses.
- All the other points I'm not even gonna continue to argue with you about because: 1. Looks like I'm spamming 2. It will never end, as you said 3. Let some other people state their opinions that we can shoot down

 

[Krypton6]

You make a good point; Its always more fun to shoot people than to shoot yourself, or to defend yourself. This is one of the biggest spam threads, look back and you will see tons of people just saying: I dont care. Well if you dont care why the hell do you post then... So I dont really expect arguments on this thread, but once in a while some one sais something that I can discuss and eliminate. Guess who it was this time...lol

 

[Shredderbeam]

Sorry but how can you know what factors influence sexual orientation I have not seen any studies or evidence. Also as you stated, they are partially influenced by genetics. There is actually growing evidence of this, I can find you guys some if you wish. If someone is even partially influenced by genetics then that means that their sexual orientation is at least partially decided at birth, is it not?

*Sorry if you count this as a double post but I was making 2 different responses so...

Do a bit of research on homosexuality and genetics. You'll find a wealth of information.

It's partially decided, if you will, but not fully.

 

[mage3158]

Don't believe in faggots.

You may not believe in 'em, but they exist.