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HIV Government created

Was HIV Government Created

  • Yes

    Votes: 22 36.7%

  • No

    Votes: 38 63.3%
  • Total voters
    60
noamyoungerm said:
Strawmanning again, eh? look who's talking

The only negative thing the second link has to say about fluoride is that it causes cancer - which the site then clearly disproves. If you are trying to make a separate point using that site, care to explain so that I can refute that as well.
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Sorry, I was actually just trying to give plenty of sites as sources, rather than just one. You're right though, it doesn't argue any of the points I'm trying to make.
 
ipbadgers said:
Well..It would make sense to create a disease that would control our population because its been proven that in 100 years+ there will be anarchy because our governments wont be able to provide us our basic needs but at the same time its a pretty sketchy thought you know? how would one be able to go through with an order to unleash a virus upon his own brothers and sisters

definitely an interesting theory but I have no say in it tbh
and no I dont ride the governments dick I just have a hard time believing that our own people would poison us like that
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Thank you for staying on topic haha. But I know what you're saying, however the Government hides plenty of stuff from us.
 
IF the government wanted to use a disease for population control they could use a faster more effective disease and one that wouldnt spread like HIV does.
Also, they could put in place laws such as chinas one child law. I dont really see a need to make a disease in order to control the population but interesting idea.
 
shawnwill1210 said:
IF the government wanted to use a disease for population control they could use a faster more effective disease and one that wouldnt spread like HIV does.
Also, they could put in place laws such as chinas one child law. I dont really see a need to make a disease in order to control the population but interesting idea.
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They wouldn't place laws like that lol as the goal of the illuminati is to cut down the world population down to around 500 million people max. Therefore doing it indirectly and blaming a disease (especially one that many gay people have, and we know how Catholics feel about gay people) would be a lot easier, more effective, and it would be very difficult to trace it back to the government.
 
shawnwill1210 said:
IF the government wanted to use a disease for population control they could use a faster more effective disease and one that wouldnt spread like HIV does.
Also, they could put in place laws such as chinas one child law. I dont really see a need to make a disease in order to control the population but interesting idea.
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It was easy for them to say that this disease came from monkeys, if they had made a faster spreading and more deadly disease then it'd be harder to explain where it came from. That law would be completely unconstitutional.
 
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Leaks? Do you have any testimony from a government employee, or from a reliable source that has contact with a government employee, that HIV was genetically engineered and planted in the general population?

You do know how much work it takes to create a virus from scratch, right?
 
noamyoungerm said:
Leaks? Do you have any testimony from a government employee, or from a reliable source that has contact with a government employee, that HIV was genetically engineered and planted in the general population?

You do know how much work it takes to create a virus from scratch, right?
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I haven't researched it too much. Just ponder about it sometimes. No leaks. And yeah I'm sure it takes a long time to create a virus from scratch.
 
My middle school science teacher knew the man who ate the piece of the monkey with AIDS who spread the disease to the human race. 99% sure this wasn't something "government created". It is interesting that the researcher died in 09 from ecoli, however.
@Herman Li: Your linked page show concerns about fluoride, but prove nothing. I would like to see a comprehensive biological study of how fluoride is toxic and at what levels it is toxic compared to what levels people intake it in the US.
 
It just goes to show how fucked up our government is. Also explains why leaders have died due to their stupidity. They fuck everything up and when people start pin-pointing it out and arguing back, they kill you...WTF?

Anyways, the US government is idiotic in my opinion.

I voted yes for the fact that they didn't create it originally but, that they expanded it a little when they started hearing about it.
 
That is an egregious solution to population problem if indeed were created by the government.
 
I personally do not believe the government would be foolish enough to create a nationwide epidemic, stem it from Africa, and then watch it ruin millions of peoples of lives. No, the government did not create this strand of STD.
 
V--own4g3--V said:
I personally do not believe the government would be foolish enough to create a nationwide epidemic, stem it from Africa, and then watch it ruin millions of peoples of lives. No, the government did not create this strand of STD.
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But how is it foolish? It is a Nationwide form of population control that the Government can get away with. About 3 million people die a year from HIV or Aids, that's a solid 0.00045% of the population dying every year just from this disease. The number of deaths also increase as more people become infected.
 
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TotzKush said:
But how is it foolish? It is a Nationwide form of population control that the Government can get away with. About 3 million people die a year from HIV or Aids, that's a solid 0.00045% of the population dying every year just from this disease. The number of deaths also increase as more people become infected.
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A solid 0.00045% every year? seriously?
At the rate of 3 million every year, it will take 2163 years to reach 500 million people
At the rate of 0.00045% of the general population each year, it would take 586101 years to reach 500 million people

Here are the python scripts demonstrating it:
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    xper = 0.0000045 * x
    x -= xper
    y += 1

print (y)
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    x -= 3000000
    y += 1

print (y)
Do you think the government would plan for that period of time?
In fact, after accounting for current population growth (percentages) it would take 586103 years to reach 500 million people, and accounting for numerical growth, my computer is freezing just from calculating it. I will edit this post with the final result later on.
EDIT: Current estimates show that the human population will only even begin to decline around 9333333333333 years.
EDIT 2: New estimates, after about 30 minutes of calculations, calculated every 1000000000000000000000 years (that's 21 zeros), show that the new minimum estimate is 10^50 (that's 50 zeroes)
EDIT 3: Got a final average answer. I had to calculate in leaps of 10^308. The total amount of time it would take for HIV to reduce the population to 500 million, assuming 0.00045% total population dies from HIV annually, and the human race gives birth to 42 million people every year is 314497306350000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Years. the total age of the universe is only about 14000000000.
This calculation has an amazingly high amount of error. I have no Idea how much, but I would say as much as 50-80%
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    xgroper = 42000000
    xper = 0.0000045 * x
    x += xgroper
    x -= xper
    y += 1

print (y)
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    xgroper = 0.012*x
    xper = 0.0000045 * x
    x += xgroper
    x -= xper
    y += 1

print (y)
So once again, why do you think the government would plan for 500000 years into the future - a time at which we will no longer qualify as homo-sapient any more, but something else?

Forgive me, but you have just been PWNED!
 
It's not too hard to figure out how HIV went from monkeys to humans. The transfer of HIV to a human would probably have started when a monkey bites a human. This particular HIV strain might have efficiently killed enough human cells in the body (which is extremely rare). Also, there are many similarities between simians and humans when it comes to cell function. The HIV virus attaches to receptors on the a human cell which are extremely similar to the receptors on a monkey cell. From there, the HIV virus uses the cell to reproduce itself and incubate. Also, many viruses can mutate to affect different organisms. For example, influenza can jump from infecting pigs to birds to humans. This could possibly be the case with HIV. Therefore, there's a very small chance that the government created HIV. Also, it takes HIV ten to twenty years max to kill someone. Why would the government use such an inconsistent infection to control the population. There's some reasonable doubt here.
 
If any government was creating a virus that was going to be used for population control, they wouldn't make it so you would have to have sex or exchange bodily fluids with the other person. They would makes something much more contagious with a half life that lasts anywhere from 6 months - 1 year rather then having something that you can walk around and not infect people.
 
noamyoungerm said:
A solid 0.00045% every year? seriously?
At the rate of 3 million every year, it will take 2163 years to reach 500 million people
At the rate of 0.00045% of the general population each year, it would take 586101 years to reach 500 million people

Here are the python scripts demonstrating it:
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    xper = 0.0000045 * x
    x -= xper
    y += 1

print (y)
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    x -= 3000000
    y += 1

print (y)
Do you think the government would plan for that period of time?
In fact, after accounting for current population growth (percentages) it would take 586103 years to reach 500 million people, and accounting for numerical growth, my computer is freezing just from calculating it. I will edit this post with the final result later on.
EDIT: Current estimates show that the human population will only even begin to decline around 9333333333333 years.
EDIT 2: New estimates, after about 30 minutes of calculations, calculated every 1000000000000000000000 years (that's 21 zeros), show that the new minimum estimate is 10^50 (that's 50 zeroes)
EDIT 3: Got a final average answer. I had to calculate in leaps of 10^308. The total amount of time it would take for HIV to reduce the population to 500 million, assuming 0.00045% total population dies from HIV annually, and the human race gives birth to 42 million people every year is 314497306350000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
Years. the total age of the universe is only about 14000000000.
This calculation has an amazingly high amount of error. I have no Idea how much, but I would say as much as 50-80%
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    xgroper = 42000000
    xper = 0.0000045 * x
    x += xgroper
    x -= xper
    y += 1

print (y)
Code: 
x = 6988829030
y = 0
while x > 500000000:
    xgroper = 0.012*x
    xper = 0.0000045 * x
    x += xgroper
    x -= xper
    y += 1

print (y)
So once again, why do you think the government would plan for 500000 years into the future - a time at which we will no longer qualify as homo-sapient any more, but something else?

Forgive me, but you have just been PWNED!
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Okay, congrats, you did a lot of math. You didn't account for other deaths though..
 
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