Heaven/Hell

[kher0]

God and miracles is against the laws of physics. nothing can be created or destroyed, its a proven fact. yet god magicaly creates the universe out of nothing with a click of his fingers?

LOL . Actually , this is the definition of Miracle. How a miracle breaks the laws of physics then this means it was made by someone who controls the universe.

For there to be a true miracle it would have to defy the laws, otherwise its not really a miracle is it, its a party trick.

I agree 100%. Do u know any miracle which hasn't broken the law ? (soz for grammar )

 

[xx mdv xx]

LOL . Actually , this is the definition of Miracle. How a miracle breaks the laws of physics then this means it was made by someone who controls the universe.

I agree 100%. Do u know any miracle which hasn't broken the law ? (soz for grammar )

Yeah, miracles are awesome, the most recent one was at a nearby church that I go to and a shadow of Mary holding baby Jesus and Joseph in the background and there was nothing causing the shadow. Investigators searched every little corner of the room and found nothing causing this shadow, I saw it for myself, it was pretty cool.

 

[kher0]

Yeah, miracles are awesome, the most recent one was at a nearby church that I go to and a shadow of Mary holding baby Jesus and Joseph in the background and there was nothing causing the shadow. Investigators searched every little corner of the room and found nothing causing this shadow, I saw it for myself, it was pretty cool.

LOL. Of course I disagree. The age of Miracles has been ended from long time. No miracles after Muhammed death.

All ppl who are saying I saw an angel, god ...etc are bullshit.In the judgement day I can easily say : Someone saw u but I didn't , why did u give him betta chances??!!. Another thing how do u call it believing if u saw the god. If u did then u don't believe in him . U destroyed the meaning of believing. From ur name I can know ur name is Muhammed which is my name to. So u r of course Muslim and I think it's shame on u to say something like this.

I quoted this from other topic. Believe this, The only miracle on the earth now is Quraan. And all ppl have to have equal chances . So , u can't see god or meet a miracle while other ppl don't . GROW UP.

 

[porman]

LOL . Actually , this is the definition of Miracle. How a miracle breaks the laws of physics then this means it was made by someone who controls the universe.

I agree 100%. Do u know any miracle which hasn't broken the law ? (soz for grammar )

The piont is there hasnt been any miracles. tell me one miracle that cannot be explained by science?

You dont get it, it is impossible to brake the laws of physics, they are paramount. My statement showed that miracles are impossible.

Yeah, miracles are awesome, the most recent one was at a nearby church that I go to and a shadow of Mary holding baby Jesus and Joseph in the background and there was nothing causing the shadow. Investigators searched every little corner of the room and found nothing causing this shadow, I saw it for myself, it was pretty cool.

1) thats not a miracle
2) if it was, then what happened to god hidding?
3) if god was going to waste his time doing "miracles" why wouldnt he do something that is more believable? or even do something that may benifit society?
4) you wherent there
5) its easy to photoshop shadows and ghosts
6) just because you dont know how something works, doesnt mean god did it.
7) dont be so nieve.

I quoted this from other topic. Believe this, The only miracle on the earth now is Quraan. And all ppl have to have equal chances . So , u can't see god or meet a miracle while other ppl don't . GROW UP.

tell me, why is the quraan a miracle? you know god didnt write it? if it where a miracle god would have wrote it himself, and written it in away that people can understand instead of using nonsense metaphores.

The quuran was written by human. a man who says god spoke to him. how many people claim god has spoken to him? why do you believe this guy? because he wrote a book that if you analyse it you can make any meaning you want from it?

 

[StacyIsSexy]

Weve all thaught Gee what if god doesnt exist?? And weve all thaught, Man, God has to be somewhere...

I dont know about you, But I am christian. I have had my doubts before, but i kept strong. This has happend to me a few times:

I would do something, and say to myself, god if your out there please help me on this!
And more then 80% of the time, it works...
Sometimes it wouldnt work, sometimes it wouldnt...
When it wouldnt work, id say to myself, "there aint no god!"
But then i remember, in order for god to help you, you need to help yourself.
I pray everynight before I go to bed, and I pray before I eat. I read the bible, and so far my life has been great. Maybe its all just a coincidence. Idk. But im not saying like that guy on tv that yells random chants and hits people on the head, they faint and suddenly, their mystery disease is healed. Naw. Thats tv. But If theres one thing my Church did teach me its, Each one Reach One. It means that As a christian, you will TEACH others about your religion. Dont be like them dam jahoover witnesses and knock on your door, but to explain, and teach.

That ends todays Sermon

 

[StacyIsSexy]

The piont is there hasnt been any miracles. tell me one miracle that cannot be explained by science?

You dont get it, it is impossible to brake the laws of physics, they are paramount. My statement showed that miracles are impossible.



1) thats not a miracle
2) if it was, then what happened to god hidding?
3) if god was going to waste his time doing "miracles" why wouldnt he do something that is more believable? or even do something that may benifit society?
4) you wherent there
5) its easy to photoshop shadows and ghosts
6) just because you dont know how something works, doesnt mean god did it.
7) dont be so nieve.



tell me, why is the quraan a miracle? you know god didnt write it? if it where a miracle god would have wrote it himself, and written it in away that people can understand instead of using nonsense metaphores.

The quuran was written by human. a man who says god spoke to him. how many people claim god has spoken to him? why do you believe this guy? because he wrote a book that if you analyse it you can make any meaning you want from it?

Way back when, before Jesus was put on the cross, He did do miracles for the greater good. There were a bunch of struggling fishermen that couldnt provide for their families, So Jesus made the seas filled with fish, the fishermen cast 1 net, and caught thousands of fish. What about the drowning decipal? There was a decipal that was drowning in the water because he fell of off the boat, Jesus walked onto the water and said "Take my hand, For you have the power to survive." Jesus saved that man. What about the newlywed who ran out of wine at the wedding? They were just married and were short on wine. Jesus told the decipal to go to the supply, get some water and bring it back. When he braught it back, Jesus turned it into wine.

See? Jesus did *DOES* do miracles. All you have to do is pray.



EDIT: Links:

http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 1 - A New Creation - Born Again
http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 2 - Healing - Nobility in Jesus
http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 3 - Starting the Christian Walk
http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 4 - Fellowship Among Believers
http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 5 - Calming our Storms and Fears
http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 6 - Mature Christians Preach
http://www.basicchristian.org/miracles.html#Miracle 7 - Our Own Resurrection Life

 

[Swan]

Weve all thaught Gee what if god doesnt exist?? And weve all thaught, Man, God has to be somewhere...

I dont know about you, But I am christian. I have had my doubts before, but i kept strong. This has happend to me a few times:

Kept strong? You mean kept ignorant.

I would do something, and say to myself, god if your out there please help me on this!
And more then 80% of the time, it works...

I have good luck a lot of the time too, buddy.

Sometimes it wouldnt work, sometimes it wouldnt...

This is again, a game of chance.

When it wouldnt work, id say to myself, "there aint no god!"

So you are either unsure of your beliefs, or you wish to directly contradict them.

But then i remember, in order for god to help you, you need to help yourself.

This notion is idiotic. Once you've helped yourself, there is no need for any other help.

I pray everynight before I go to bed, and I pray before I eat.

Why? Wishful thinking?

I read the bible, and so far my life has been great. Maybe its all just a coincidence. Idk.

Most likely, a coincidence that your life is great. For example, you aren't in a state of poverty, are you?

But im not saying like that guy on tv that yells random chants and hits people on the head, they faint and suddenly, their mystery disease is healed. Naw. Thats tv.

Of course, that is to make people interested, thus making people watch, therefore the producers get more money.

But If theres one thing my Church did teach me its, Each one Reach One. It means that As a christian, you will TEACH others about your religion. Dont be like them dam jahoover witnesses and knock on your door, but to explain, and teach.

Excuse me? Are you trying to say that you want to teach me about irrationality? I know more about Christianity than 99% of my classmates. I go to a Lutheran school, and I have always questioned their beliefs. No-one there has ever given me a good answer. I recite readings from the bible, along with book, chapter and verse, and they either say "You're making that up" or they try and make up some bullshit excuse.

That ends todays Sermon

Sermon? It's a forum.

Way back when, before Jesus was put on the cross, He did do miracles for the greater good. There were a bunch of struggling fishermen that couldnt provide for their families, So Jesus made the seas filled with fish, the fishermen cast 1 net, and caught thousands of fish.

Sorry, but you require proof. You could relate this to the statement "Pics or it didn't happen!"

What about the drowning decipal? There was a decipal that was drowning in the water because he fell of off the boat, Jesus walked onto the water and said "Take my hand, For you have the power to survive." Jesus saved that man.

For all you know he could be splashing around in a mud puddle. The bay in front of my property isn't very deep. Even hundreds of meters out it is generally about 5ft deep. Again, you also require proof.

What about the newlywed who ran out of wine at the wedding? They were just married and were short on wine. Jesus told the decipal to go to the supply, get some water and bring it back. When he braught it back, Jesus turned it into wine.

PROOF. FOR FUCKS SAKE.

See? Jesus did *DOES* do miracles. All you have to do is pray.

Miracles? You have failed to provide me evidence of any such thing! You are an insult to your nation's intelligence.

 

[kher0]

The piont is there hasnt been any miracles. tell me one miracle that cannot be explained by science?

The age of miracles has been ended since Muhammed died . The only Miracle on the earth right now is the Quraan . Anyone want to know about it , Start reading about it . U don't have time , don't bother me .
Note : Check my sig .

 

[xx mdv xx]

The age of miracles has been ended since Muhammed died . The only Miracle on the earth right now is the Quraan . Anyone want to know about it , Start reading about it . U don't have time , don't bother me .
Note : Check my sig .

Saying Muhammed was the last miracle worker couldn't be 100% proof because maybe Christianity is correct, but you never know, but it does sound logical because I haven't really seen a miracle and you only hear of miracles happening in the Bible or Quran in your case.

 

[StacyIsSexy]

Swan, contridicting my own religion is something i was not doing.
Sometimes when I say "theres no god!" Its the devil in me trying to
draw me to him, because hes saying god has failed me. Alot of the
times I have failed, Its mostly because I didnt pray before I did that.
The fucking sermon thing was a JOKE asshat. Get a fucking sense of
humor asshole. I dont need proof. As a christian I have faith, and faith
is all I need to put up with asshats that thing god isnt real. By denying
your father he will deny you entrance to heaven. "Deny me in front of you
friends, I will deny you in front of my father." (god) for you halfwits. Insult
to my nations intelligence? Your just an asshat that spends his days on the computer reading about crap that wont help you, and trying to sound smart on a forum. gtfo nubcake. I dont give a shit if you know more then albert einstein, thats not going to help you when your standing at the gates of heaven. Everyone needs that little extra push once in awhile, and by helping youself, youll succeed 50% of the time, by praying god can help you. Life isnt a game of chance you moron. I lost all respect for you when you said that. Chance? Are you serious?! Nothing in life is by chance. If you work hard and pray you will suceed, try your hardest. NO IM NOT IN A DAM STATE OF POVERTY. WOULD I BE ON A FUCKIN COMP IF I WAS IN POVERTY?! And its not luck my family is well off. Beleive it or not, my family was once in debt (as is half of america) but we prayed, attended church, and our life made a turn for the better. my mom got a promotion my dad landed a huge paying job, and i myself have landed a job as an assistant at one of the most famous modeling agencys in america.(maybe not...haha.) By me praying everynight before i go to bed and eat is wishful thinking? if you were trying to be funny...you arnt. so stop trying. And if you think im ignorant, thats just you being a moron. I beleive in christ. ill go to heaven if i dont sin. you beleive in shit, so you will go to hell. Im going to pray for you though. Have a nice life.

 

[Arya]

Swan, contridicting my own religion is something i was not doing.
Sometimes when I say "theres no god!" Its the devil in me trying to
draw me to him, because hes saying god has failed me. Alot of the
times I have failed, Its mostly because I didnt pray before I did that.
The fucking sermon thing was a JOKE asshat. Get a fucking sense of
humor asshole. I dont need proof. As a christian I have faith, and faith
is all I need to put up with asshats that thing god isnt real. By denying
your father he will deny you entrance to heaven. "Deny me in front of you
friends, I will deny you in front of my father." (god) for you halfwits. Insult
to my nations intelligence? Your just an asshat that spends his days on the computer reading about crap that wont help you, and trying to sound smart on a forum. gtfo nubcake. I dont give a shit if you know more then albert einstein, thats not going to help you when your standing at the gates of heaven. Everyone needs that little extra push once in awhile, and by helping youself, youll succeed 50% of the time, by praying god can help you. Life isnt a game of chance you moron. I lost all respect for you when you said that. Chance? Are you serious?! Nothing in life is by chance. If you work hard and pray you will suceed, try your hardest. NO IM NOT IN A DAM STATE OF POVERTY. WOULD I BE ON A FUCKIN COMP IF I WAS IN POVERTY?! And its not luck my family is well off. Beleive it or not, my family was once in debt (as is half of america) but we prayed, attended church, and our life made a turn for the better. my mom got a promotion my dad landed a huge paying job, and i myself have landed a job as an assistant at one of the most famous modeling agencys in america.(maybe not...haha.) By me praying everynight before i go to bed and eat is wishful thinking? if you were trying to be funny...you arnt. so stop trying. And if you think im ignorant, thats just you being a moron. I beleive in christ. ill go to heaven if i dont sin. you beleive in shit, so you will go to hell. Im going to pray for you though. Have a nice life.

Wow, you better hope Shredder doesn't see this. That was enough flaming to cook a steak ..

Anyways,

HAHAHAHA!?!?!? I don't think that God will be to glad to see that you've used such vulgar language. Unless, however, you believe that you can curse, sin, and kill, but as long as you repent, you'll be okay?

I don't pray, and my life is great.

You've used just about every swearing piece of language in the SAME sentence that your holy creator was in. You should be proud.

Your mother got a promotion because she was a good worker. Your father got a large paying job because he was dedicated. NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH A GOD. However, it seems as though you're fully aware that this devil has been inside of you.

Do you think "God" is more powerful than the "Devil" ?

If so, you would believe that God had the power to take the devil out of you. If this is so, then have you just sinned, lieing on behalf of "God"?

Unless, however, you don't believe that "God" has that type of power. If that is the case, then you would be considered underestimating and putting down the power that those of the same religion as you believe "God" to hold.

Sooner or later, what you believe will break down in front of you and leave you with a decision to make.

Okay, you said that if you did not Sin, you will go to heaven? Then what on this green and brown earth have you just done? That ENTIRE paragraph was a sin.

Get your facts and words straight before you try to contradict and disprove someone.

 

[Swan]

Oh? I laughed in real life. Quite rare for the content of a forum.

Swan, contridicting my own religion is something i was not doing.

Could have fooled me.

Sometimes when I say "theres no god!" Its the devil in me trying to
draw me to him, because hes saying god has failed me.

So you admit you are dirty with "sin", and have allowed this "devil" to penetrate your very beliefs? Quite the blunder!

Alot of the
times I have failed, Its mostly because I didnt pray before I did that.

Are you sure you didn't just cave in to pressure, worrying about something that most probably doesn't exist?

The fucking sermon thing was a JOKE asshat. Get a fucking sense of
humor asshole.

Oh, I realise what you intended it to be. I, however, am a very serious person at the best (and worst) of times. I am always calm, and jokes really ought to be funny, if told at all.

I dont need proof. As a christian I have faith, and faith
is all I need to put up with asshats that thing god isnt real.

You don't need proof? Then you are making an irrational decision.

Wait, doesn't your teachings state that gambling is a "sin"? If this is so, then you are quite the sinner.

By denying
your father he will deny you entrance to heaven. "Deny me in front of you
friends, I will deny you in front of my father." (god) for you halfwits.

My father cannot deny me entry to anything, as I am free to do as I choose. Though for the sake of this matter, I am assuming you are talking of your God. For the sake of argument, let us assume he exists for a brief moment. I was not given a choice to be born. I was not given a choice as to whether or not I would spend an eternity in any realm, be it heaven or hell. I consider this torment of the mind, no matter the place. Therefore, I indeed have my reasons for not wanting to go to this place called "heaven", it is the same as sitting next to a person I hate with a passion.

Insult
to my nations intelligence? Your just an asshat that spends his days on the computer reading about crap that wont help you, and trying to sound smart on a forum.

A) Even if what you said was true, this "reading about stuff that won't help me" has probably increased my skill in the English language a hundred-fold compared to yours. Also, if I may say so, note that I am among the highest marked in my classes, so if this is useless, why am I more likely to get a better job than some other particular people?

B) I am not trying to sound any more intelligent than I am. By the looks of it, you are.

gtfo nubcake. I dont give a shit if you know more then albert einstein, thats not going to help you when your standing at the gates of heaven.

Do you have any evidence to support such a claim? Nonetheless, read what I have said earlier in this post about my views concerning this "heaven" you speak of.

Also, Albert Einstein made many scientific discoveries, but they are, for the majority of the time, not what I study. Why would you assume otherwise?

Everyone needs that little extra push once in awhile, and by helping youself, youll succeed 50% of the time, by praying god can help you.

If there's one thing that makes me laugh it's when people pull statistics out of nowhere and assume they know what they're talking about. 50%? Proposterous! I could claim this at a casino, but by the end of the day, I'd end up broke.

Life isnt a game of chance you moron. I lost all respect for you when you said that. Chance? Are you serious?! Nothing in life is by chance.

I wonder what the chance of you getting hit by a moving vehicle on the way to school is ... Oh sorry, such doesn't exist for you, meaning this is either absolute or false. In other words, you are either going to be hit by a moving vehicle every single time you head on your way to school, or it will never happen. Too bad for the people that have been in motor vehicle accidents.

If you work hard and pray you will suceed, try your hardest.

I'm sorry, but for the majority of my current life when I was a Christian, no such thing happened. I either tried my hardest, wore myself out, and got a decent outcome (depending on the situation), or I didn't work my hardest, and got a decent outcome anyway.

NO IM NOT IN A DAM STATE OF POVERTY. WOULD I BE ON A FUCKIN COMP IF I WAS IN POVERTY?!

I was using this as a pro-example as to how coincidental your "great life" is. Though apparently "great lives" involve flaming people in online forums. Please exclude me from this definition.

And its not luck my family is well off. Beleive it or not, my family was once in debt (as is half of america) but we prayed, attended church, and our life made a turn for the better. my mom got a promotion my dad landed a huge paying job, and i myself have landed a job as an assistant at one of the most famous modeling agencys in america.(maybe not...haha.)

Are you sure? Why then, in countries that DO have poverty, do people suffer? I'm sure the poor kids in Africa pray every night, and yet their lives are none the better.

Your mother got a promotion simply because she is a hard worker, as Arya said. Likewise, your father is a dedicated worker. So what?

By me praying everynight before i go to bed and eat is wishful thinking? if you were trying to be funny...you arnt. so stop trying.

Quite the grammatical blunder, this statement was a little hard to comprehend at first. Nonetheless, I will try to interpret it. Wishful thinking is basically what praying is. I can say to myself "Gee, It'd be really nice if I won the lottery", or I could say to myself, "Dear God, please let me win this lottery so I can put the money to good use." It makes no difference.

Also, what makes you assume I was trying to be funny? You are such a presumptuous person!

And if you think im ignorant, thats just you being a moron. I beleive in christ. ill go to heaven if i dont sin. you beleive in shit, so you will go to hell. Im going to pray for you though. Have a nice life.

First of all, yes I do believe you are ignorant. To put forward a proper argument, you must understand both sides - it seems you only think you understand your own. What has this got to do with me being a socalled "moron"?

Yes, I had already deduced you believe in Christ. No need to restate it.

However, do you have any evidence of your claim of going to a place called "heaven"?

Literally speaking, of course I believe that shit exists. There is physical evidence of it. I, however, find this quite an unpleasant subject, maybe it is different for you? And what has this got to do with me going anywhere?

I feel comforted that you care about me. Well, not really, but I felt like saying that, sarcasm is a wonderful way of conveying emotions.

Why yes, I intend to have a nice life. Thankyou!

 

[tinytom]

There isn't shit to make me believe this, simply because, Stories with time change. Nobody in the same eras as the people you praise highly wrote the bible.

I am not disproving that Jesus existed. I believe he could've been very real. Yet, I see whack jobs on the side of the road claiming to be able to do miracles also.
Reason I say that is, I haven't heard of miracles with religion happen yet. I really don't want to hear about your sister's boyfriend's cousin surviving cancer because she prayed or some thing, because I'll look at you the same way I'll look at a 15 year old who still reads picture books.

The fact is. There isn't shit that can be proven. I feel like i went on and on, but who gives a fuck, you read it

 

[wowhamba]

Heaven/Hell dont exist.
you think any 1 would follow religeon if heaven and hell weren't there? follow us and you get candy! dont and we'll spank you!

 

[Omniscient]

There is no proof
It is an idea created by people called The Zoroastrians.
I don't understand why billions of people believe in an afterlife especially when it was thought of by people who didn't have any scientific knowledge and who thought that the world was flat.
If i were to tell you that when u die, you will be greeted by several flying spaghetti monsters and taken in an eternal life where u will be transformed into a type of pasta and showered in hot, meaty, tomato sauce ( yes i worry about myself sometimes too) would you believe me? Of course not because the idea itself is just ridiculous and it has nothing to support it. But then why should u believe in a heaven and hell when it is under similar circumstances?

 

[Shredderbeam]

Heaven/Hell dont exist.
you think any 1 would follow religeon if heaven and hell weren't there? follow us and you get candy! dont and we'll spank you!

How do you know that heaven and hell don't exist?

 

[The Sedical]

Heaven And hell both exist, and you may be arrogant now, and claim it doesn't, but you won't change anyone's mind, the only thing your doing, is hurting yourself once you discover it exist (when your dead).

I've personally heard that purgatory also exist, and that some people who didn't believe in god, will still go to it, instead of going to hell. purgatory Would be like a earth atmosphere, not better nor worse. The people who would go to it are people who didn't believe in god at the time, but they did a huge change to earth, and society like the invention of electricty etc, they will go to purgatory, instead of going to hell for not believing in god.

And no jesus, is not the son of god, just by basing a whole religion on that, you can see that it fails. And no there are not multiple gods, only 1 god.

 

[Herman Li]

How do you know that heaven and hell don't exist?

I like Shredderbeam. Even as an atheist, he still tries he bring stuff on and doesn't flame other people's beliefs.

 

[Shredderbeam]

Heaven And hell both exist, and you may be arrogant now, and claim it doesn't, but you won't change anyone's mind, the only thing your doing, is hurting yourself once you discover it exist (when your dead).

How do you know that they exist?

I've personally heard that purgatory also exist, and that some people who didn't believe in god, will still go to it, instead of going to hell. purgatory Would be like a earth atmosphere, not better nor worse. The people who would go to it are people who didn't believe in god at the time, but they did a huge change to earth, and society like the invention of electricty etc, they will go to purgatory, instead of going to hell for not believing in god.

Ah, interesting. How do you know these things?

And no jesus, is not the son of god, just by basing a whole religion on that, you can see that it fails. And no there are not multiple gods, only 1 god.

How do you know that there is only one God?

I like Shredderbeam. Even as an atheist, he still tries he bring stuff on and doesn't flame other people's beliefs.

Well cheers.

 

[Personal Jesus]

Heaven And hell both exist, and you may be arrogant now, and claim it doesn't, but you won't change anyone's mind, the only thing your doing, is hurting yourself once you discover it exist (when your dead).

I've personally heard that purgatory also exist, and that some people who didn't believe in god, will still go to it, instead of going to hell. purgatory Would be like a earth atmosphere, not better nor worse. The people who would go to it are people who didn't believe in god at the time, but they did a huge change to earth, and society like the invention of electricty etc, they will go to purgatory, instead of going to hell for not believing in god.

And no jesus, is not the son of god, just by basing a whole religion on that, you can see that it fails. And no there are not multiple gods, only 1 god.

It's because of people like you that so many Atheists hates Christians and Christianity. And that's pretty sad when you think about it, because all you're trying to do is save us from something you firmly believe in. However, as there's no proofs that God, Heaven or Hell exists, you can't claim that it does exist - that would be arrogant and ignorant of you, much like I can't claim that Heaven and Hell doesn't exist, even though I believe they don't.