God - does he exist?
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If he's outside the universe, then it's impossible. If he isn't, then it's possible.
Ah, offline posting.
He sort of outside the universe, if you think of it. In the heavens, eh? If he were to be outside of the universe, creating it all, then yes, it is impossible for humans to prove his existence, just like right now, because he is superior to us and our law.
Out for the night, c ya.
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its possible, hes outside the universe, our universe may seem large but could seem small to him
Lol evrything has to have had a beginning... if god existed, what was their 10 years before that, and ten years before that and so on. The universe has to have started somewhere, and the creator of it (whether u belive its a tiny particle aka big bang theory, or god, a beginning as well)
How can something outside the universe be intelligent in any way?
Why cant some one outside of the universe be intelligent ?
God gave the life on earth and perhaps on other planets, natural laws and rules to follow. It does not mean that he has some for him self.
Why cant the Big Bang theory be related to god.
Perhaps he started it, and made the pressur high enough for the explosion to take place.
God gave the life on earth and perhaps on other planets, natural laws and rules to follow. It does not mean that he has some for him self.
Why cant the Big Bang theory be related to god.
Perhaps he started it, and made the pressur high enough for the explosion to take place.
Intelligence is a trait of life. It is a survival advantage. Why would something outside the universe, independent from any evolutionary rules, be equipped with intelligence?
Kryptop6 said:
Perhaps, but according to Occam's Razor theory, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Why add layers of complexity by the name of God?
Its an advantage for us as humans, but just because god perhaps has no needs, does not mean he does not need intelligence.
God in Islam is something, man cannot imagine, so for me to even call what he has for intelligence is a underesmestiation.
And besides that, man has no clue what is outside of the univers, that is if there is such place.
As I said, God created life, with some natural rules and laws to follow.
These rules and ways of living and needs, are specifically made for life on earth.
Not for god him self, or any other creation of his, outside of earth.
So your theory only goes as far as the life on this planet goes, it does not count beyond earth.
I am not adding layers of complexity to defend gods existion, but I am only saying that, all this Big Bang theory thing, cannot be used against god existion.
And besides it is not, adding layers of complexity when saying that god could have started the explosion, unlike when scientist try find excuses and reasons for what could have started the pressur increasement til it suddenly exploded, and even before that, for what could have started time.
All of these theories they come up with, can clearly not be the case, and the possibility of an god existing is way bigger, than the actuel theories.
Saying that god started the pressur increasement and the explosion is an simpel theory and the truth for belivers of god, is not adding layers.
But comming up with stupid theories which any idiot knows is not possible, is adding layers, and excuses.
And remember that Occam's Razor was an human and nothing else, so his words do not mean anything at all!
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Another god may of created that god, or maybe a even further god to that god could of created it. Its impossible to create oneself, however what if one has existed for eternity? Then it is a plausible theory. Eternity is a long time to just exist, which leads me into mind of possible past civilizations, How are we to know that we are just not another evolution that has existed before years and years ago. The inconsistencies in the bible only point to the fact that a god has or does exist, and changes over time (or i assume so), to better the situation.
But why would he have intelligence? There is nothing to produce it!
Krypton6 said:
Au contraire, the power of the human imagination is such that we CAN imagine what God is like, if he does indeed exist.
Krypton6 said:
All you're doing is saying things, without backing them up! It takes no genius to do that.
Krypton6 said:
I'm positive that life does exist elsewhere in the universe. If it does, evolution should cover it.
Krypton6 said:
It's not being used against his existence, but why add God to the Big Bang when you can just have the Big Bang spontaneously happen?
Kypton6 said:
It IS an extra layer of complexity. Religion has always been predicting complex supernatural causes behind events (lightning, the sun, tsumanis, etc.), and it has ALWAYS been wrong! Why are you so sure that this is any different?
Krypton6 said:
How can you discredit their theories? You don't know what they are!
Krypton6 said:
Again, you're just saying things, and not backing them up at all! Can you justify what you're saying?
Krypton6 said:
Yet his words hold true for pretty much everything that science has discovered!
Valkrye said:Another god may of created that god, or maybe a even further god to that god could of created it. Its impossible to create oneself, however what if one has existed for eternity? Then it is a plausible theory. Eternity is a long time to just exist, which leads me into mind of possible past civilizations, How are we to know that we are just not another evolution that has existed before years and years ago. The inconsistencies in the bible only point to the fact that a god has or does exist, and changes over time (or i assume so), to better the situation.
The endless God's hypothesis is not an actual answer to the root of the questions, it's just a constant delaying of an answer.
Why could the singularity that exploded into the universe not have existed forever?
How do the inconsistencies in the Bible point to the fact that God exists? It's a book written by humans!
Haha, how can it NOT be intelligent? If something outside our universe created us, then of course it would be intelligent. For example, (not out of the universe, but off our planet) aliens. We think of aliens to be extremely intelligent, and predict that they have high technology. Why can't that be like God? If he's outside of the universe, then of course he can be intelligent.
Aliens and God are COMPLETELY different. One is another form of life, the other is the ultimate being that transcends the universe. My question is, where would its intelligence come from? Why would it have it?
I was just referring to other lifeforms other than us, in all the realms of life. Like I said before, we cannot explain it, because he is outside of us, therefore it's unexplainable. Why can't God have intelligence? To create us?
If you're referring to a being that doesn't transcend the entire universe, then you're not talking about God. Such higher beings would also require creators.
Spereff said:
Why would he have intelligence? What would give it to him?
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Valkyre
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A book written by humans, but all the stories of any religion have similiaritys which means some parts have/should be true, unless its a giant elaborate hoax.
Well for one thing, I believe there to be a ONE God that created us. There's nothing that explains God really, his existence. But if you need a theory from human science, another creator could've created God himself. But like I said, he is superior to us, and our science may not prove him.
He'd have intelligence to live his own life, like all living things, and of course, I believe to know how to create us. If he WERE to be created from another creator, then that creator would've gave him intelligence.
Of course they all have similarities! Most of the ones in modern culture came from the same geographical location!
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Religions are for the weak minded, which need a meaning to keep going on with their hopeless lives. (Does not apply to all, but most)
The bible is a misinturpretation, one saw a miricle, the other saw the local weather report
The bible is a misinturpretation, one saw a miricle, the other saw the local weather report