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God created everything?

Itz Me said:
Then it's also pointless to continue trying to prove his existence and try to force it upon people that want nothing to do with religion.
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That is exactly what I'm saying. Nowhere in my post did I try to force non religious people to believe in Christianity. I understand that is the mistake many religious entities make.
 
I myself am atheist, but I did read a few articles on a theory that's been floating around and it involves the idea that our interpretation of a day may not exactly be what time was represented as in the days god took to make the earth and form all of his creations.
One day to god in the bible could be an equivalent of i dunno 2 billion years to us or something.
This seems to bring some form of sound argument for Christianity in justifying the large time lapse.
 
So I guess scientists are always right then? They say this was created a billion years ago and we just go along with that? When in fact a calendar year wasn't started until 45 BC and the calendar as we know it today didn't start until 1600. So the concept of a billion years or millions of years is a shot in the dark.

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Well it's not as much as scientists are always right as they have constant theorems that when tested will produce the same effect thus making it trustworthy and these theorems are the basis of their findings meaning they're trying to get the facts to back up they're claims.
 
The Bhagavad Gita is another holy scripture that discussing the supposed creation of the universe but I bet none of you believe it is true... We have managed to measure the minimum age of the Earth and have evidence for it but still billions of people believe a 4000 year old book written by shepherds? Any rational human would surely have to agree with the age of 4.4bn years old. Maybe some people see religion as a way to answer questions without thinking, to sort of comfort themselves.
 
How do you know the dating of the Earth is correct. Answer that question for me. Scientist are certainly not 100% correct all the time. Humans, aren't perfect, then that means the dating can't be "perfect".
 
Russia said:
How do you know the dating of the Earth is correct. Answer that question for me. Scientist are certainly not 100% correct all the time. Humans, aren't perfect, then that means the dating can't be "perfect".
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What are you trying to say, the dating is wrong? or the scripture is right? Even if the dating is wrong, you can't just jump straight to the conclusion the scripture is right, without any physical or factual evidence to support it.
 
pure skillzz said:
What are you trying to say, the dating is wrong? or the scripture is right? Even if the dating is wrong, you can't just jump straight to the conclusion the scripture is right, without any physical or factual evidence to support it.
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What I am trying to state is that neither could be correct. My belief is different from other people's belief.
 
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Pointing out that science isn't always perfect is a stupid argument for creationism.
 
Russia said:
What I am trying to state is that neither could be correct. My belief is different from other people's belief.
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And you're right, neither could be correct. There's a difference between a scientific theory and a mere story.
 
Science is perfect though that the thing, based on our own perception. It's like math, math works perfectly, if applied in the only possible way we have set up for it. But just as math is a creation of mankind to determine things which otherwise would have no explanation nor a model to show they're results. (Math is based off of one simple rule 0=0 now if we skew that to be 0=1 and say that it is correct, then technically that is true it is just it doesn't make things easy for us lol)
It can also be argued that religion is simply a creation of mankind to explain after-life which also who have no otherwise explanation or model. Which in my opinion that is all it is.
Basically im returning to what i said previously, time only works for us based on our own perception while we don't know god's perception on time if such a thing even exists for him.
 
I was thinking that perhaps "god" isn't what we think it is. Perhaps it is the force that holds the constants in the universe together. If anyone knows about string theory then you know about membranes. Perhaps god touched those branes together and created the big bang. All I know is that theres overwhelming evidence to say that there is much much much more to life than the simple drawn out mother goose fairy tale that is the bible. Life is so complicated and vast that you could never put it into a book. And that's exactly what humans do, they try to simplify things to understand them, the bible in itself is a clear example of a human thought pattern. It's way too obvious that religeon is fabricated for anybody with half a brain not to realize it. Right and wrong, morals, heaven and hell; life and existence is much too complex to compartmentalize these things into categories like that. Obviously only a human, with human ignorance, and human emotion, and human desires, could have made that up. If "your" god exists and we are so important, then why are we such an infintesimal part of what exists. Religeon is a phase that will eventually die out and become an embarassing chapter in human history. Just like when we thought the world was flat a long time ago.
 
TripleSix said:
I was thinking that perhaps "god" isn't what we think it is. Perhaps it is the force that holds the constants in the universe together. If anyone knows about string theory then you know about membranes. Perhaps god touched those branes together and created the big bang. All I know is that theres overwhelming evidence to say that there is much much much more to life than the simple drawn out mother goose fairy tale that is the bible. Life is so complicated and vast that you could never put it into a book. And that's exactly what humans do, they try to simplify things to understand them, the bible in itself is a clear example of a human thought pattern. It's way too obvious that religeon is fabricated for anybody with half a brain not to realize it. Right and wrong, morals, heaven and hell; life and existence is much too complex to compartmentalize these things into categories like that. Obviously only a human, with human ignorance, and human emotion, and human desires, could have made that up. If "your" god exists and we are so important, then why are we such an infintesimal part of what exists. Religeon is a phase that will eventually die out and become an embarassing chapter in human history. Just like when we thought the world was flat a long time ago.
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I agree with you on most levels, although I doubt that religion will die out. We as humans only accept what we can see and understand as absolute fact, since death and the afterlife are an impossible mystery to us, we choose to believe in something that takes even a probable attempt to explain what happens.
The idea of a god holds some weight considering the complete randomness of humanity, I remember my chemistry teacher giving me an analogy to the possibility of human life ever being created is the equivalent to a perfectly working watch being formed from the random atoms in a desert and this watch will have the exact time and date on it.
But being completely random doesn't mean we automatically conclude some divine deity created everything, it just means the probability of us ever existing is incredible.
 
Trinity19 said:
I agree with you on most levels, although I doubt that religion will die out. We as humans only accept what we can see and understand as absolute fact, since death and the afterlife are an impossible mystery to us, we choose to believe in something that takes even a probable attempt to explain what happens.
The idea of a god holds some weight considering the complete randomness of humanity, I remember my chemistry teacher giving me an analogy to the possibility of human life ever being created is the equivalent to a perfectly working watch being formed from the random atoms in a desert and this watch will have the exact time and date on it.
But being completely random doesn't mean we automatically conclude some divine deity created everything, it just means the probability of us ever existing is incredible.
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Life is possible, therefore it exists. It would be an even smaller chance that it wouldn't, out of the trillions and trillions of stars and planets. Yes the chance of life being on the earth specifically is infintesimaly small. Let's say life didn't exist on earth, but instead it existed somewhere else in the universe, let's call it Planet-X. We would be standing on Planet-X giving the same analogy about how the chances are so slim that theres life on Planet-X. There is no extrordinarily rare coincidence happening here, only the inevitable.
 
TripleSix said:
Life is possible, therefore it exists. It would be an even smaller chance that it wouldn't. Out of the trillions and trillions of stars and planets, the probability stats to become feasable. Yes the chance of life being on the earth specifically is infintesimaly small. Let's say life didn't exist on earth, but instead it existed somewhere else in the universe, let's call it Planet-X. We would be standing on Planet-X giving the same analogy about how the chances are so slim that theres life on Planet-X. There is no extrordinarily rare coincidence happening here, only the inevitable.
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Oh ofcourse I'm not doubting in the slightest that even though the probability is small the model at which were basing this probability is immense and thus makes it a much more possible result.
but it doesn't take away the beauty of it's almost impossible nature, I mean, say if you saw someone walk through a wall right in front of your eyes. You would be surprised and amazed even though statistics says that it is possible even though the probability is infinitely small.
 
You guys need to think outside the box. Question what you are told, always think about other options.

Creationists could be right, and evolutionists could be wrong.

or

Evolutionists could be right, and creationists could be wrong.

However, we can take sides.
The side that is backed up by evidence is science.
The side that relies on faith is theism.
 
Itz Me said:
You guys need to think outside the box. Question what you are told, always think about other options.

Creationists could be right, and evolutionists could be wrong.

or

Evolutionists could be right, and creationists could be wrong.

However, we can take sides.
The side that is backed up by evidence is science.
The side that relies on faith is theism.
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Ah but where is the fun in saying the possibility for both is valid? That's not thinking outside of the box, it's more like just admitting ignorance and leaving it be.
 
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