Excessive bumping @multiple threads

By that logic anyone invested in RWT should have a different thread for buying and selling each type of gold as they might stop reading at "Buy".

Seriously, wtf is that logic? Why are we assuming that every customer is a complete idiot and needs hand holding in the section?

They actually do have that.

 

[Pain]

^ This excuse is almost as bad as the "no support for a referral section" excuse because of phishing links.


So your reasoning as to why staff should increase scams by doing this is "scamming can never be stopped", so instead we should just screw the bigger legitmate traders, and let everyone take their chances with 20x more randoms.



Also- What you say about the thread might be true if there wouldn't be 25 other FREAKING SCAMMING RANDOMS that are going to BURY EVERY LEGITMATE TRADERS THREAD.

But whatever, whatever, if staff want to take that step then whatever, do it, idc, just know that you will regret it.

 

[Rspspk lul]

Also- What you say about the thread might be true if there wouldn't be 25 other FREAKING SCAMMING RANDOMS that are going to BURY EVERY LEGITMATE TRADERS THREAD.

You can still get people to vouch for you which will rebump your thread to the top again..you make it sound like you have no sales for vouchs lol

 

[Pain]

Yes we can use vouches to bump, but they aren't common enough to keep 1 single thread going.

The VAST majority of people don't take the time to vouch .

With so many more threads being made by the randoms we wont be able to compete, vouches or no vouches.


I actually got a message from chris kane making fun of me, saying "I know theres going to be a RSPS industry change 100%, to many people support it, so many more people for me to scam".

Word for word.

 

[Rspspk lul]

Yes we can use vouches to bump, but they aren't common enough to keep 1 single thread going.

The VAST majority of people don't take the time to vouch .

With so many more threads being made by the randoms we wont be able to compete, vouches or no vouches.


I actually got a message from chris kane making fun of me, saying "I know theres going to be a RSPS industry change 100%, to many people support it, so many more people for me to scam".

Word for word.

Offer an extra 1-2% of gold or something to get a vouch, that's how oakdice does it, you can do the same

theres really no arguement to it lol you said some fair points but in the end the majority want it changed I think if they do keep it as it is you should still change your threads so they are somewhat different from eachother. Otherwise thats just spam.

 

[Pain]

Offer an extra 1-2% of gold or something to get a vouch, that's how oakdice does it, you can do the same

theres really no arguement to it lol you said some fair points but in the end the majority want it changed I think if they do keep it as it is you should still change your threads so they are somewhat different from eachother. Otherwise thats just spam.

Also, to address postcount/spam- I get 110-140 postcount a day off my auto bumper, of that, 24 posts is RSPS.

Rsps postcount/spam isn't an issue, I get over 40 postcount a day off RS alone, RSPS is very very minor compared to other markets so don't blame them for the postcount/spam.

 

[Rspspk lul]

Your not allowed to do that, that's considerd buying vouches which oakdice was BANNED FOR.


Also, to address postcount/spam- I get 110-140 postcount a day off my auto bumper, of that, 24 posts is RSPS.

Rsps postcount/spam isn't an issue, I get over 40 postcount a day off RS alone, RSPS is very very minor compared to other markets so don't blame them for the postcount/spam.

I'm not saying your postcount is spam, I'm saying your threads are, 15 threads of the exact same thing is what I'm argueing about.

 

[Pain]

I'm not saying your postcount is spam, I'm saying your threads are, 15 threads of the exact same thing is what I'm argueing about.

This fuck is chris kane

http://www.sythe.org/report-ban-evader/1948016-rspspk-lul-jinx-wood.html


No wonder all these goddam randoms are supporting.


jesus Christ, are they all him? the others are banned to.


yep...... this shows you how quality this suggestion is and who supports it:

[1:21:06 PM] chris martini: are the rsps market threads annoying you?
[1:23:41 PM] chris martini: u should just chill, theres gonna be a change in the rsps market I bet 100%
[1:23:51 PM] chris martini: to many ppl agree with change
[1:23:57 PM] chris martini: then I can get more scams!
[1:31:22 PM] chris martini: wow u didn't need to post it on the forums like
[1:31:32 PM] chris martini: u could of just kept it between us I don't want people knowin I scam
[1:43:43 PM] chris martini: ya they were all me kappa
[1:43:52 PM] chris martini: well there was 2 of them were me
[1:44:03 PM] chris martini: the other thread was made by me tho but only 2 acs posted on this thread

 

They actually do have that.

I forgot about that, I thought the sections were combined. I usually don't visit that area of the market unless someone pokes me to look for them.

I still think the logic applies that if someone is looking to buy something, they'll take the time to look in one of the biggest, most reputable shops to see if they're selling first if they care about safe trading. People are going to ignore your advice and get scammed regardless of how much you try to help them.

 

[Pain]

I forgot about that, I thought the sections were combined. I usually don't visit that area of the market unless someone pokes me to look for them.

I still think the logic applies that if someone is looking to buy something, they'll take the time to look in one of the biggest, most reputable shops to see if they're selling first if they care about safe trading. People are going to ignore your advice and get scammed regardless of how much you try to help them.

This is true, but we should still do our upmost best to help them- adding 500 scammers to the market is not a good way to go about that lol.

 

I forgot about that, I thought the sections were combined. I usually don't visit that area of the market unless someone pokes me to look for them.

I still think the logic applies that if someone is looking to buy something, they'll take the time to look in one of the biggest, most reputable shops to see if they're selling first if they care about safe trading. People are going to ignore your advice and get scammed regardless of how much you try to help them.

I'm personally not a fan of seeing one user with multiple threads in the section; however, it just makes the most sense. The exact same thing is valid in the MMO gold section. There are too many semi-popular MMOs to make a section for each, so it's easiest to just lump them all into one section. People are allowed to make more than one thread so that potential buyers can see a thread specific to their MMO. Think about it this way: There are 4 subsections for 2007 account sales. Would it make sense to drop that, make it all one section, and make you only allowed to sell your accounts in one thread? You could have a some obby maul pures, some F2P range-2h pures, some max mains, etc. The title for that thread would be a mess. Buyers with specific interests will look for thread(s) that share that specific interest most often. This is why the account section is broken down to more specific interests. That being said, it's extremely difficult to do the same to the RSPS section, hence this being the next best solution.

 

I'm personally not a fan of seeing one user with multiple threads in the section; however, it just makes the most sense. The exact same thing is valid in the MMO gold section. There are too many semi-popular MMOs to make a section for each, so it's easiest to just lump them all into one section. People are allowed to make more than one thread so that potential buyers can see a thread specific to their MMO. Think about it this way: There are 4 subsections for 2007 account sales. Would it make sense to drop that, make it all one section, and make you only allowed to sell your accounts in one thread? You could have a some obby maul pures, some F2P range-2h pures, some max mains, etc. The title for that thread would be a mess. Buyers with specific interests will look for thread(s) that share that specific interest most often. This is why the account section is broken down to more specific interests. That being said, it's extremely difficult to do the same to the RSPS section, hence this being the next best solution.

Instead of lumping them all into one section, could we lump the most popular ones together into a section or two? Even if nothing else, it'd give those with a smaller market more breathing room to develop one on Sythe.org

This is purely for the gold trading since those seem to be the most common trades by far.

Something like:
>Private Server Gold, Items and Misc
>>Runique, Soulsplit 3 & RSPSPK
>>OS-Scape, Ikov2 & PKHonour
>>Other RS Private Servers

Other MMOS:
>MMO Item/Gold Trading
>>ESO, POE, Blade & Soul, Tera
>>ArchAge, Guild Wars 2, Eve
>> LOTRO, FFXIV, Aion, Black Desert Online
>> Other MMOs

If a RSPS/MMO is traded a lot in the 'Other' section then they can be moved to a subsection to allow others to grow. If one of the MMOs grows a very large market it can join other markets like RS, LoL and Wow in having a whole area of their own.

It's kinda going away from the topic at hand, but it'd be another way to make the market more friendly to newcomers who want to start up, maybe giving it a little bit more life than it does atm? That's what I'm taking from this as the overall issue that we're trying to find a solution to.

 

[Pain]

The issue is that RSPS collapse far far faster than a MMO, that's why u cant lump then into the same catergorys as other markets.


Most RSPS's lifelines are months, not years.

Subsections would be forever changing, constantly, I don't think the way to go about this is to make a ton of sub sections and change them constantly.


The other issue is- there a lot of smaller RSPS that have markets, where are these going to go? Into the section like they are now? Most people(myself included) would simply go into those markets just to get that exposure vs a subsection.

I've thought about this for a long time, and the expected lifespan of RSPS's are to short to make giving subsections feasible.

 

[funbox]

As someone who has been in the rsps market since 2012/2013 ( I'm the one who got rsps account sales and gp split up into categories in the first place.) it never was an issue until 2k15, where people actually realized there's a market. The simple answer to this issue is, make all gold shops/sellers have a single thread, and let them add the private server names in the title.

Boom, done. People looking for blood money? add "BM" in the title, people looking for near reality? add "NR" in the title.
Gold sellers can't whine that they're getting fucked over because they're still advertising it in the title.


The real reason gold sellers don't want this implementation is because there's this misconception by new forum members that Postcount = Sythe Activity = Some sort of Trust. People think they're less likely to get scammed by a person with 5,000 posts against a person with 300. and gold sellers, even if their threads aren't popular can spam/post bump bot for free postcount. Have 4 Rsps threads and 4 Rs Threads? , 8 threads x 3 posts/day = 24 posts/day x 30 =720 posts/month just typing "bump".

How else will people who joined 5 months ago gain as much postcount as members who have been on the site for 2-3 years, spam.

You can literally take examples from people in these threads.

 

[funbox]

^ This excuse is almost as bad as the "no support for a referral section" excuse because of phishing links.


So your reasoning as to why staff should increase scams by doing this is "scamming can never be stopped", so instead we should just screw the bigger legitmate traders, and let everyone take their chances with 20x more randoms.



Also- What you say about the thread might be true if there wouldn't be 25 other FREAKING SCAMMING RANDOMS that are going to BURY EVERY LEGITMATE TRADERS THREAD.

But whatever, whatever, if staff want to take that step then whatever, do it, idc, just know that you will regret it.

You're so childish, you're acting like you're the only supplies there is that doesn't scam. It's 2016, people will always get scammed. You're acting that every single person in the private server section only want to scam. pro-tip, it's not.

Also, to address postcount/spam- I get 110-140 postcount a day off my auto bumper, of that, 24 posts is RSPS.

Rsps postcount/spam isn't an issue, I get over 40 postcount a day off RS alone, RSPS is very very minor compared to other markets so don't blame them for the postcount/spam.

Stating this alone just proves that you're only worrying due to your precious spam-count. I don't even consider it "post-count" when they're automated bumps with 0 benefit to the forum.

You're so arrogant.
"I'm all right, fuck you jack."

OP actually spoke on this topic because it's hurting his business as a casual seller, and your response to his posts so far have been "if you limit threads more scammers will show!" and "Spamcount is not a problem even though it's 17.14% - 21.8% of your daily spamcount".

Good job on gloating on your 110-140 spam automated posts/day , you're as useful as those russian forum spam bots that try sell viagra pills with aol as communication.

Instead of lumping them all into one section, could we lump the most popular ones together into a section or two? Even if nothing else, it'd give those with a smaller market more breathing room to develop one on Sythe.org

This is purely for the gold trading since those seem to be the most common trades by far.

Something like:
>Private Server Gold, Items and Misc
>>Runique, Soulsplit 3 & RSPSPK
>>OS-Scape, Ikov2 & PKHonour
>>Other RS Private Servers

Other MMOS:
>MMO Item/Gold Trading
>>ESO, POE, Blade & Soul, Tera
>>ArchAge, Guild Wars 2, Eve
>> LOTRO, FFXIV, Aion, Black Desert Online
>> Other MMOs

If a RSPS/MMO is traded a lot in the 'Other' section then they can be moved to a subsection to allow others to grow. If one of the MMOs grows a very large market it can join other markets like RS, LoL and Wow in having a whole area of their own.

It's kinda going away from the topic at hand, but it'd be another way to make the market more friendly to newcomers who want to start up, maybe giving it a little bit more life than it does atm? That's what I'm taking from this as the overall issue that we're trying to find a solution to.

Currently unless moderators have the power to edit names of subsections it wouldn't be do-able. The only idea that would come to mind that might work for the coming xenforo or w.e it;s called forum is to add private server tags.
that way you just have a single gold shop, and he can tag the names of all the ps's he's selling gold in. I'm not sure if it is even possible in the upcoming forum update, but I've seen it on other forums so I assume there could be a feature..?

 

[Superfluous]

keep personal attacks to a minimum pls thx

 

I believe the purpose of only allowing one thread per person in other forums was to keep the cluttering to a minimum.

What is the difference between multiple account selling threads and multiple gold selling threads? There is no difference to me, so I'm not quite sure why we disallow one and allow the other to occur.

The same argument for forcing one to create an account shop if they're selling multiple accounts can be made for multiple gold selling threads.

Advantage/Disadvantage arguments are the same as well.

 

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it's worth noting that the only people who have posted in favor of leaving things as is are those involved in the market


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Why on earth would you rule against the people involved most in the market?

I think he meant the people posting in favor here are those that are directly taking advantage of the post-count inflation, and flooding the section with 8 of the same thread that just links to their site. It makes it incredibly difficult for anyone to enter the market. Chances are someone isn't going to go to page 2 of the forum to find smaller sellers who don't deal with many RSPS's like larger sites do.

I swear if this passes I'm going to every Chinese section and suggesting we merge every single game together in them, this is bullshit.

You should, there is no reason for people to have multiple threads in a specific section, especially when they all take over half of the front page when bumped. This isn't much of a problem in the other games forum though, most companies are involved in a few games so they are only dealing with 2/3 threads at once.

The reason why it's come to this in this section is mostly due to the cop out of just lumping games together in a "catch all" section, similar to the discussion section though so it's a different problem entirely.

The issue is that RSPS collapse far far faster than a MMO, that's why u cant lump then into the same catergorys as other markets.


Most RSPS's lifelines are months, not years.

Wouldn't an easy solution to this be just to create one thread that you updated which RSPS's you deal with in that thread directly? This would both make it easier for you and other sellers to keep everything up to date, and would stop post-count inflation and flooding of the forums.

I believe the purpose of only allowing one thread per person in other forums was to keep the cluttering to a minimum.

What is the difference between multiple account selling threads and multiple gold selling threads? There is no difference to me, so I'm not quite sure why we disallow one and allow the other to occur.

The same argument for forcing one to create an account shop if they're selling multiple accounts can be made for multiple gold selling threads.

Advantage/Disadvantage arguments are the same as well.

Typically, when sites are selling multiple accounts they list them all on the thread and tell the user to visit their site, I don't see why RSPS's should be handled any differently.

 

[Pain]

Wouldn't an easy solution to this be just to create one thread that you updated which RSPS's you deal with in that thread directly? This would both make it easier for you and other sellers to keep everything up to date, and would stop post-count inflation and flooding of the forums.


Why don't you try modifying 8-15 markets and stay up to date on every single one every single day?

While ur at it, make sure u can track bans, anti bans, profits,losses, sellers,buyers and everything else.

Most people deal with 2 markets, rs3 and 07, I deal with 8-15 at any given point just in RSPS alone.


That's easy to say, a lot harder to do lmao, that's why so many of my threads are generally vague.

I left one market today and enter'd another(us4), I spent over 30 minutes modifying threads and removing golds and updating sellers/buyers/stock for us leaving one and entering another, what do u propose I do? Spend 6 hours a day updating the stocks, prices and everything else?

I wish this would only be targeted to people in the actual RSPS market, nobody else understands properly.

What your basically proposing is a fine solution for say, an individual seller in 1 or 2 RSPS, it doesn't work so well when u look at 8-10-12-14-16 diff ones, then add in workers, calculations,stocks,bans,anti bans, wipes, staff, pricing, etc, its a diff story, doing this change would effectively cost me hours upon hours a day, because by having 1 thread, If a price is outdated, I effectively lose that Rsps's traffic completely.

TRY TO UNDERSTAND: RSPS PRICES CHANGE EVERY SINGLE DAY BASED ON A TON OF FACTORS, EVERYBODY IS CONSIDERING THEM TO OTHER MARKETS AND YOU CANT, GOLD IS NEVER SET, EVER, SOME GOLDS FLUX 0.05-$1 EVERY SINGLE DAY!


Also: what is this 2010 cmon flying, who cares about post count ?

 

Wouldn't an easy solution to this be just to create one thread that you updated which RSPS's you deal with in that thread directly? This would both make it easier for you and other sellers to keep everything up to date, and would stop post-count inflation and flooding of the forums.


Why don't you try modifying 8-15 markets and stay up to date on every single one every single day?

While ur at it, make sure u can track bans, anti bans, profits,losses, sellers,buyers and everything else.

Most people deal with 2 markets, rs3 and 07, I deal with 8-15 at any given point just in RSPS alone.


That's easy to say, a lot harder to do lmao, that's why so many of my threads are generally vague.

I left one market today and enter'd another(us4), I spent over 30 minutes modifying threads and removing golds and updating sellers/buyers/stock for us leaving one and entering another, what do u propose I do? Spend 6 hours a day updating the stocks, prices and everything else?

I wish this would only be targeted to people in the actual RSPS market, nobody else understands properly.

What your basically proposing is a fine solution for say, an individual seller in 1 or 2 RSPS, it doesn't work so well when u look at 8-10-12-14-16 diff ones, then add in workers, calculations,stocks,bans,anti bans, wipes, staff, pricing, etc, its a diff story, doing this change would effectively cost me hours upon hours a day, because by having 1 thread, If a price is outdated, I effectively lose that Rsps's traffic completely.

TRY TO UNDERSTAND: RSPS PRICES CHANGE EVERY SINGLE DAY BASED ON A TON OF FACTORS, EVERYBODY IS CONSIDERING THEM TO OTHER MARKETS AND YOU CANT, GOLD IS NEVER SET, EVER, SOME GOLDS FLUX 0.05-$1 EVERY SINGLE DAY!


Also: what is this 2010 cmon flying, who cares about post count ?

What do any of these factors have to do with which thread you post on? Your input won't change at all if the only change is that you're just going to click the edit button on one/a few thread(s) instead of 30...