Excessive bumping @multiple threads

[Truhbul]

Sythe is a large market, you probably know that already. Many of you have made thousands of dollars, the money just keeps flooding in. However, such market needs to be adjusted to a well working system.
I'm now talking about having multiple threads in a section. As a RSPS Gold seller myself, I will bring up the RSPS section as an example for this suggestion.

Lately, I have been out-bumped and brought to 4th page in less than 24 hours. For me, each page has 20 threads so that means in <24 hours, 60 other threads passed mine. Moreover, most of these threads are just the sellers bumping their threads.

Few days ago, I took a screenshot on how it looked. You can even see a pattern in Dobi's bumping. It's not a coincidence that he bumped the thread which has lowest amount of replies & views first and later on the one which has most replies & views. This is actually smart, he is basically knocking other sellers down and putting his best-selling thread on top.

Spoiler: Picture

This picture is only a fraction on how it actually is. It's perfectly understandable that each thread has its own market, but it's ridiculous allowing members to have 5 threads and allow them to bump each one of them. Specially when there are multiple people doing it, therefore stacking up.

You do not even know if these sellers do even have stock in these markets or are just using them to knock other sellers down. Each time they get a customer, they can refuse and state that they have no stock. If that is the case.

Nonetheless, that is not the only issue. The main issue is that it messes up for everyone else trying to sell. If you despite what I have showed you now, still think this should be allowed, then I will go ahead and make 15 threads for each RSPS market to knock everyone down and put my best-selling thread on top. Since you like how the system is, then I expect ZERO complaints.

Just kidding, but I bet that you did probably get a thought of "wtf? nah".

My suggestion is to have an addition to the 8-hour bump rule. This addition would be to limit on how many threads each 8 hours. I would suggest making it two threads. Basically, allow sellers to only bump TWO threads each 8 hours. I believe in observance of equality when it comes to business markets.
^ To clarify this suggestion, I only meant in a specific section. For instance, if you have total of 7 threads.

3 in RSPS and 4 in RS 07

You are allowed to bump 2 threads (each 8 hours) in the RSPS section and 2 threads in 07 section (each 8 hours).

Summarization: Sellers will still be allowed to have multiple threads, however they will have a 2 threads limit with the 8 hour bumping rule.

For instance, if you have total of 7 threads.

3 in RSPS and 4 in RS 07

You are allowed to bump 2 threads (each 8 hours) in the RSPS section and 2 threads in 07 section (each 8 hours).

 

[Pain]

No longer matters, violation of free market will deal with this idea.

 

[Truhbul]

Sythe.org supports a free market- No support.


Also: Saying we have threads there for no reason is stupid, I can prove every stock for every RSPS I advertise.

Also for the pattern thing: A lot of us have auto bumpers- buy one.


Also for the rsps thing- Your welcome to come into more markets and advertise them and bump them like the rest of us.


People bitching because they cant take the time to learn the industry and want more free traffic by limiting the rest of us.

Also: the infraction and report a post button works, use it, I have infractions for a reason.


Hell no.

Then I shall team up with your competitor, once you bump, I will bump my threads then tell your competetitor to bump his so yours will get to the bottom and his on top.

 

[Pain]

Then I shall team up with your competitor, once you bump, I will bump my threads then tell your competetitor to bump his so yours will get to the bottom and his on top.

Edit: no longer matters, this is a violation of the free market is all I have to say.

 

[Truhbul]

To each his own, Wont be the first time I've had savage competition, I welcome the opportunity, I enjoy a good race.

With this, you have basically admitted that the issue does exist, but you are strong enough to outlast it.

Thanks for agreeing that the issue is real.

 

[Faqqat]

http://www.sythe.org/approved-suggestions/1945487-rsps-market-improvements.html

this was already suggested, bus just wants more traffic, even look at his threads its all the eXACT same thing nothing different on even 1 of his 10 threads

 

[Truhbul]

http://www.sythe.org/approved-suggestions/1945487-rsps-market-improvements.html

this was already suggested, bus just wants more traffic, even look at his threads its all the eXACT same thing nothing different on even 1 of his 10 threads

It has been suggested with a shitty solution. Thefore, many criticized it. However, I do know people who profit a lot by playing dirty will not support this easily. Should an appropriate solution not be implemented, I will cause damage to these sellers without breaking rules.

 

[Faqqat]

It has been suggested with a shitty solution. Thefore, many criticized it. However, I do know people who profit a lot by playing dirty will not support this easily. Should an appropriate solution not be implemented, I will cause damage to these sellers without breaking rules.

How can minigame services on rs put over 5 services onto 1 thread but some people cant put 5 rsps shops on 1 thread? Especially when all they post anyway is ''join my website livechat'' anyway

That solution was the best one, 1 thread per market as the rules state
also- the only 2 people that criticized it were bus and his worker, which is who the thread was aimed at, the rest of posters supported it

 

[Truhbul]

How can minigame services on rs put over 5 services onto 1 thread but some people cant put 5 rsps shops on 1 thread? Especially when all they post anyway is ''join my website livechat'' anyway

That solution was the best one, 1 thread per market as the rules state

Because what you are stating is that every seller has same content on each thread, which in this case they don't. You cannot propose a solution which is based on a few people. It does not matter if it covers 9 out of 10, you need something that applies to everyone.

What is needed is only an addition of a limit on how many threads you are allowed to bump each 8 hours.

 

[Buyacc]

How can minigame services on rs put over 5 services onto 1 thread but some people cant put 5 rsps shops on 1 thread? Especially when all they post anyway is ''join my website livechat'' anyway

That solution was the best one, 1 thread per market as the rules state
also- the only 2 people that criticized it were bus and his worker, which is who the thread was aimed at, the rest of posters supported it

I think that, with some services, it is stupid that people are allowed to post the same thread in multiple markets. They make a (for example) "Torso, Firecape and Questing service" and then copy that same thread to the 3 different markets.

Also what is this "free market" thing Bus is talking about?

 

Just like to throw in this suggestion has already been made http://www.sythe.org/approved-suggestions/1945487-rsps-market-improvements.html
and yeah their was war over it, I'd like to split market into different severs, but If anyone could purpose a way it could be done it would be nice.

 

I don't see why people are allowed to clutter sections like that, as opposed to making a "RSPS Gold Shop" and keeping it to one thread a user. Same with Other Game sales as well.

Gets even worse when each thread is just a carbon copy of each other with a different title.

 

I don't see why people are allowed to clutter sections like that, as opposed to making a "RSPS Gold Shop" and keeping it to one thread a user. Same with Other Game sales as well.

Gets even worse when each thread is just a carbon copy of each other with a different title.

Right? Support, doesn't make sense to me. "Contact me via skype or live chat, I have gold on this, this, and this server." Is that so hard?

Also, thanks to Truhbul for quoting Bus's posts before edit, I needed a good laugh. What a fucking shmuck lol.

"I'm upwards of 80 posts per day"
"You should get an autobumper like the rest of us" You got yours like 2 days ago you ain't slick.

Brb opening 10 unknown RSPS gold shops for post count.

 

I never looked in that section until now and yeah it's a mess. There should be a bump limit of 1 thread/person like in the other sections imo.

 

[Truhbul]

Just like to throw in this suggestion has already been made http://www.sythe.org/approved-suggestions/1945487-rsps-market-improvements.html
and yeah their was war over it, I'd like to split market into different severs, but If anyone could purpose a way it could be done it would be nice.

I would like to remind you that previous suggestion was focused on them having multiple threads and the solution proposed was forcing the sellers to merge their threads. This thread focuses on a more reasonable and reliable solution that fits everyone.

I don't see why people are allowed to clutter sections like that, as opposed to making a "RSPS Gold Shop" and keeping it to one thread a user. Same with Other Game sales as well.

Gets even worse when each thread is just a carbon copy of each other with a different title.

Yes, but that does not apply everyone. It's not a reliable solution. I believe limiting amount of threads you are allowed to bump in each section is very reasonable.

I never looked in that section until now and yeah it's a mess. There should be a bump limit of 1 thread/person like in the other sections imo.

Thank you for understanding and your support.

 

[Moes]

So this is how people get post count so quickly. I'll support a bump limit of 1 thread per person (unless other threads have a whole different purpose) and a cleanup of that section. Duplicate threads like in the pic you provided should be removed.

 

[Truhbul]

So this is how people get post count so quickly. I'll support a bump limit of 1 thread per person (unless other threads have a whole different purpose) and a cleanup of that section. Duplicate threads like in the pic you provided should be removed.

Each thread represents a new market in another server. However, it's litterally crazy that some users are allowed to bump up to 7-8 threads each 8 hours.

 

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There are about 80 threads bumped every day in that section, less than 20 of which are "multiple threads". It's a very active section with many buyers and sellers, the section isn't "a mess" that's just what a section with a lot of activity looks like. There's no reason to limit anyone's abilities here, everyone is subject to the same rules and opportunities.

Threads that are bumped every 8 hours will spend most of their time on pages 1 and 2, it's not as if anyone's being completely shut out from market exposure because of the multiple thread rule.

As it stands now, only 3 users have more than 3 threads in the rsps section. On another note, the reason multiple threads are allowed in this section is because we don't actually have subforums for all of the rs private servers. If you're looking to buy/sell gold for a specific private server, it is a lot easier to just find the server you're looking for in the title of the thread than browsing every single person's "generic rsps shop thread" and see if they even offer the server you're looking for

 

Let me just go into more detail into why I show no support for this, how is shop meant to stay open if they can't have mutable thread showing everything they deal in? I can support a change in rsps market limiting people in some way or disallowing pass certain amount shops, but the basic idea of letting platform go across into the market of rs gold to me just no point, What if I wanted to swap gold have rsps shop and buy and sell 07 and sell amzon all 4 are pretty much different markets, why should I be limited to how many I can have a cross platform bases? yes something need to be done in rsps market, like some how splitting up the market, but doing something like this is just not going to work, also it says in things not to change in this section no bump rule changes.

 

[Truhbul]

There are about 80 threads bumped every day in that section, less than 20 of which are "multiple threads". It's a very active section with many buyers and sellers, the section isn't "a mess" that's just what a section with a lot of activity looks like. There's no reason to limit anyone's abilities here, everyone is subject to the same rules and opportunities.

Threads that are bumped every 8 hours will spend most of their time on pages 1 and 2, it's not as if anyone's being completely shut out from market exposure because of the multiple thread rule.

As it stands now, only 3 users have more than 3 threads in the rsps section. On another note, the reason multiple threads are allowed in this section is because we don't actually have subforums for all of the rs private servers. If you're looking to buy/sell gold for a specific private server, it is a lot easier to just find the server you're looking for in the title of the thread than browsing every single person's "generic rsps shop thread" and see if they even offer the server you're looking for

You are basing your numbers on how it is currently looking. That is very bad, you cannot draw a conclusion on where threads end up based on how it's currently looking. Sometimes my thread ends up on second page within 2 hours. Despite them not being many, I don't think my thread would end up there so quickly if a limit would be added.

Let me just go into more detail into why I show no support for this, how is shop meant to stay open if they can't have mutable thread showing everything they deal in? I can support a change in rsps market limiting people in some way or disallowing pass certain amount shops, but the basic idea of letting platform go across into the market of rs gold to me just no point, What if I wanted to swap gold have rsps shop and buy and sell 07 and sell amzon all 4 are pretty much different markets, why should I be limited to how many I can have a cross platform bases? yes something need to be done in rsps market, like some how splitting up the market, but doing something like this is just not going to work, also it says in things not to change in this section no bump rule changes.

You are basically saying: Why do you want to stop them? Just allow them to keep bringing other sellers' threads to the bottom so they can maximize profits. Go home, you cannot even think rationally.